Transcripts For CURRENT The Young Turks With Cenk Uygur 2012

CURRENT The Young Turks With Cenk Uygur November 16, 2012

Breakfast . Yeah . Some kids dont even eat at home. It would help them if they have nothing to eat. It will be an emotional show, but we will end on a high note. The elbow of the day is hilarious. Its go time. [ theme ] cenk all right welcome to the young turks. Unfortunately as you see there weve got another battle in gaza. Now, of course, im sure the two sides will disagree as to how it got started but the palestinians agreed to a ceasefire when israeli struck again, killing in a strike that well show you in just a minute or so here. He was the head of the militant wing of hamas so israel felt justified. Many civilians were killed in different gaza attacks. The Israeli Defense sources bragging about it on twitter not only that, on you tube, they put out a video of the actual hit. Now, the person inside this car is going to die just so you know. Im giving you warning there. In fact, theres two people standards inside the car photograph for hamas was also killed in that strike. Now if that wasnt enough, more insult to injury, back on twitter now sure, hitting hamass hillmilitary many would find that understandable. That hit is certainly an open question. Civilians getting killed, i hope would have a lot less support. Now one civilian killed was an 11monthold boy. He is the son of b. B. C. Average reporter jihaddal musharawi. That pictures now been seen around the world. I have a young son and it affected me significantly. Heres a report from bbc. My sister in law was killed along with my son brother and my other son were wounded. What did my son do to die like this . What was his mistake . He is 10 or 11 months old what did he do . Cenk now, you will see in the rest of the media that thats ok, because its collateral damage. If palestinians kill civilians theyre abhorrent terrorists. When israel or the u. S. Does it, its ok, collateral damage. I find it grotesque. Theres of course always another side, and i want you to watch a part of bbc report where they show where some of the rockets going into israel came from. Its been a noisy morning from down, really, we heard the thuds of israeli air strikes continuing all morning just within the last minute, really, there was a large explosion to the north of here, just to the north of gaza city, close to the coast road and at the same time, weve seen the vapor trails of dozens of rockets being fired by Palestinian Militants into israel. Cenk to be fair, as you just saw in that report, you see israeli shells coming in, but rockets being fired from heavily Populated Areas in the gaza strip, hence israel says i can fire back into your civilian areas and if kids get killed, thats not my fault thats your fault. Thats israels perspective. Who winds up getting killed more . Israel has more fire power. Three israelis killed, 19 palestinians. Four years ago with the last incursion, 13 israelis were killed but 1400 palestinians were killed, hundreds were civilians. When netanyahu the incredibly right wing leader of israel, was he says its all justifiable. In recent days and weeks hamas and the other terrorist organizations in gaza have made normal life impossible for the 1 million israelis. No government would tolerate a situation where nearly a fifth of its people live under a constant barrage of rockets and missile fire. This is why israel will continue to take whatever action is necessary to defend our people. Cenk of course, which side is the u. S. Going to fall on . Well here, the departments are supposed to be leftwing, although i dont see that often either but when it comes to israel there will be no balanced approach. The u. S. State Department Deputy spokesperson says there is no justification for the violence that hamas and other terrorists organizations are employing against the people of israel. We tall on those responsible to stop these cowardly acts immediately. We support israels right to defend itself and we encourage israel to take every effort to avoid civilian casualties. Of course palestinians do not have a right to defend themselves only israel. When israel fires a bomb that kills 11monthold kids, that is courageous, but when hamas does it, theyre cowards. Me im not a right winger. I dont believe either side should be bombing. I think hamas bombing of israel is stupid and immoral but i also think israels bombing of those civilians is almost immoral. Thats a balanced approach. Now more victims muhammed abu shamawa was a cousin of a victim. We offer pride and solidarity. This is the reality of the palestinian people. The more martyrs we give to our cause, they keep on killing and injuring our palestinian people. It is our right and duty as palestinians to fight for our right and defend ourselves. You see how counter productive it is . Whether you agree or not what happens when you kill peoples friends and relatives and kids . They want to kill you for the rest of time how is that not easy to understand . Heres another Family Member of the victims. The killing to civilians young people and those who rushed to the sight of the first killing, who were assumed injured. They instead were attacked by a second israeli missile. Israeli killing didnt target a military site. They targeted civilians to maximize laws. What we have experienced no matter how much we sacrifice no matter how many martyrs we lose, this is justified to regain our land and our right and we will fight until our land is ours again. Cenk where is peace . Is anyone trying at all . The more bombings there are the further we get away from peace. Now, actually to be fair, there is one group trying. It is the palestinians in the west bank. They want the declare have the United Nations declare statehood for them just as they did for israel and of course israel is outraged with this. If you fight with violence, they are outraged. If you fight peacefully, they are outraged. The minister of Strategic Affairs says if you ask for statehood like israel did, there is going to be a heavy price. When is there not a heavy price . Lets ask someone who might be an expert on this, david seagull, you obviously heard my intro where i made my side clear. Im curious as to why the Israeli Government might think this might be a productive route given that the mar bombings there are the more animosity there is. We dont want war or bombings but the reality is in recent years, we left the gaza strip, but the reality is that in recent years. Let me pause there for a second. Maam has won the election there. If they won the elections, do you have a right to assassinate their military leader and if you do, do they have a right to assassinate your military leader. We left the gaza strip in 2005. There was no reason to respond by rocket, by firing thousands of rockets into israel after we left. There is a problem here and a symmetry here. You have a terrorist Organization Hamas which controls gaza today is controlling the population, as well and they are stockpiling firing from densely civilian areas, including schools and masks and hospitals and Residential Homes into israeli civilian areas on the other side of the border. Our goal is to stop the firing. We left gaza, we dont want to reenter. In this particular case, the timing is very curious. Its right after the u. S. Elections are over, president obama made a deal, gave Israel Iron Dome and then all of a sudden, theres no incursion into gaza. Right after our elections are done, all of a sudden on november 8 a two week lull in violence is broken by israel when they shoot and kill a 12yearold boy. You might say its an accident. Every time a civilian is killed, israel says its an accident. Theres an awful lot of accidents. Then there was a ceasefire and in this case, israel broke the ceasefire by killing jubarek. Why did israel start the aggression november 8 and break the ceasefire . There have been three ceasefires in the last month all violated by the terror groups. Egypt mediated quietly to bring quiet to the region. Three times in the last month and there have been 300 rockets fired at israel within the last month from inside gaza. Every time we try to reach a ceasefire with hamas, it was violated from their side. We dont want the rocket fire. Wed be crazy to want rocket fire on tel aviv tonight. We have 5 Million People under rocket fire from tel aviv to jerusalem down to the outskirts of gaza. We dont want this situation. Both sides always say the other side broke the ceasefire. That i know youre representing a position and i respect that and im glad you came on here. Ive got to ask you about the statehood question. For me, for decades now ive been saying dont go the violence route dont go to truffle, its stupid, immoral not going to give you your position and you dont kill civilians and then have the moral high ground. They go for statehood and say this is the peaceful solution and this is exactly what israel did. Were going to the u. N. Whats wrong with that . We are not sitting down and negotiating. The Obama Administration want the two parties to sit down and negotiate. They dont want the palestinians going to the United Nations vitallion the agreements that we already have, which is going to make people angry on both sides. Youre going to have unilateral measures on this side, on that side getting further away from the table. David theyve been trying to negotiate for decades. What kind of negotiation is it when israel says i dont care, im going to continue to built settlements. Lets look at the record. Three years ago, we had a Prime Minister who made yet another proposal to hamas, which was conveyed by the american administration. It basically said you take back 93 94 of the west bank and gaza the 6 , we will hold and we will in return give you swaps from inside israel for that 6 , well do arrangements for jerusalem and so on and so forth. The proposals have been made. The problem is there hasnt been a response. Here we are all these years later without negotiations. Proposals have been made you before that were fair, adequate, that could be improved on, but we need to talk. On the west bank today there are many things people can be unhappy about but Security Corporation is there the borders are by and laryngopen. The road blocks are now down. I live in israel, and i live by the green line. I live by our palestinian village, by my community and i know very well what is happening on the ground. The situation can be different because people want to live their lives. They want their kids to have schooling, they want their elderly parents to have hospitals and they want to go to work. David, we got to go but let me tell you something. The way to do that is to end the occupation. As long as you are occupying those people and youve been doing it for six decades you do not have the moral high ground. You dont have it. Were on the record, supporting a two state solution. Were waiting. You have an imperious way of getting there. This bombing happens right before your elections which is also incredibly curious. The jihadists like to attack israel on the eve of its elections, thinking we cant fightack. E cord is whenenou huaev ckcks youromnitiestif the united staedssadadoctsnn its communities, you would be sitting here tonight saying i support the united states. So then do you support hamas tiring back . I do not. Hamas has rockets on their communities. Shouldnt they have all rights to fair back at israel. Right now hamas is firing on our civilian communities. Youre firing on their communities. No, we are not. Did i not see an 11monthold dead in his fathers arms. They are hiding and holding the civilian population. Where there are mistakes, we are very unhappy about it, because we dont want to see civilians. Its a matter of happiness or unhappiness. No, a matter of morality. You were telling me last time around you havent killed more civilians . Lets put it this way. We dont want rocket fire on civilians period, not on our side of the border or theirs. If hamas stops the fire, we will have a peaceful situation again like we had before they started to fire. Its at simple as that. David seagull, thank you very much. I appreciate you representing your position. Thank you. Well be right back with american politics. 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Since alea was born, i almost feel more responsible for making the world a better place. We all have the ability to make it better for ourselves and for our children. Brought to you by roche, the maker of the new accuchek nano blood glucose meter. Cenk back on the young turks. Here in america we are considering susan rice our ambassador for secretary of state. All the republicans are on the war path to make sure she does not get that. They are outraged by what she did with benghazi. He had this to say. What is clear is that this administration including the president himself has intentionally misinformed to the American People in the aftermath of this tragedy. Now, president obama has the gal to name as possible secretary of state, the name of the person who is the actual vehicle used to misin form the American People during this crisis. Cenk really . Youre concerned about somebody named rice misinforming people . How about Condoleezza Rice . Im not sure susan rice was wrong about benghazi. Heres john mccain saying he will do whatever it takes to block her nomination. Is she effectively disqualified from being secretary of state . You would oppose her nomination . Yes and were talking filibuster do whatever you can to block it . Yes. Cenk thats very strong language. When president obama was asked about that, he had strong language. If senator mccain and senator graham and others want to go after somebody, they should go after me, and im happy to have that discussion with them for them to go off the a u. N. Ambassador who had nothing to do with ben gassy and simply making a presentation on information she received and to besmirch her reputation is outrageous. Cenk that is president obama being furious. Thats how its being described. He wanted to set the record straight. Is he right or wrong . Lets bring back a Political Correspondent that is indeed epic. Michael you and i might disagree. Susan rice on the talk shows after the attacks originally seemed to be saying that it was a video that started this, just like the protests in egypt and i didnt believe her at the time to be honest. I thought that they were trying to say this is not a terrorist attack we didnt do anything wrong, there was no negligence here. Do you disagree with that . I dont think its a question of disagree be or agreeing, actually cenk. I think what happened was exactly the same information according to every source ive read was that the congress, people like lindsey graham, john mccain were privy to the exact information. They put their u. S. Ambassador out there to answer the questions. That was the company line. At the beginning of any turmoil the first reports out of anything are usually incorrect. Those are the kinds of things that change over time once you know more. This was the first report she got. She shared that information. You are totally entitled to be skeptical. She wasnt doing or saying anything different than what these senators already knew. First of all, i dont know how much is on assessen rice. Its a matter of her getting the wrong intelligence and we dont know who did that. John mccain was on the same programs, on face the nation, john mccain said wait a minute, that doesnt really match with what im hearing. Im hearing there was rocket propelled grenades and he was right about that. That is not something you just show up to a protest with. Thats what he was conjecturing, you dont just show up to a protest with those. I dont know. Mccain is accusing the administration of playing politics. Maybe the truth will come out and the administration was playing politics on with bob schaefer and whoever else he was on with that morning, he was playing politics in the middle of an election saying things like being dubious as were you. Hes a united senator. Hes privy to intelligence. The intelligence he got has said that they had the same information. Cenk if susan rices actions were political before the election the republicans actions now is also definitely political. They want to damage the president. I think the president is putting an exclamation point now. Cenk all right, thank you for joining us, appreciate it. When we come back, an emotional story, young mother in ireland desperately needs an abortion. They wont give her one because they say its illegal. She dies. Many irish tonight are asking how many more will die before ire lands abortion laws changed. This is a mess, weve lived with this for 30 years. This is indeed a mess. Weve got so much more on the show for you tonight. Come right back. Tell them its like being nestled in an eightway, adjustable, heated and ventilated seat surrounded by a 500watt sound system while floating on a suspension made of billowy clouds. Or you could just hand them your keys. [ voice of dennis ] allstate. With accident forgiveness, they guarantee your rates wont go up just because of an accident. Smart kid. [ voice of dennis ] indeed. Are you in good hands . vo now, its your turn. vo connect with the young turks with cenk uygur. Its go time. Anger and tears in the streets of dublin as hundreds of irish women protested a death many say could have been prevented. This 31yearold dentist from india, recently seen with her husband, marking a hundred do festival and expecting their first child. Cenk wow that is what happened in ireland recently, and im so upset about it, sometimes i have trouble putting it into words and nbc has more on exactly what went wrong. She was 17 weeks pregnant whe

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