Think i want to welcome to conflict zone thank you tim thanks for having me wally have you all new president saying that he was inaugurating new democracy this is america and thirty seven years has shown no inclination to promote democracy in any form whatsoever whats to suggest that hes going to change and i think. Those were very correct. To say that he didnt show any inclination to promote democracy what are you talking about is a man that has been a speaker of parliament was short and even handedness in parliament for the template for the time he was one were talking here of a man that lost elections and was happy to accept the results therefrom were talking of a man whos been individually named unsanctioned by the first in two thousand and two when the European Council expressed serious concerns among about Human Rights Violations by the government of zimbabwe among two hundred seventy three other people absolutely collective responsibility lets call it councils ban was extended in two thousand and four and two thousand and nine they accused him was the man god what as a member of the government of engaging in activities that seriously undermine democracy respect for human rights and the rule of law seriously undermine democracy that doesnt seem so good for the future because it does seem a lot less that in your balance which would have been a play to. Isnt that herman were talking two hundred seventy three members of the establishment so youre basically saying that theres a mob an army there all of those mob and militia forces should because the top iraq war then well youre saying the bureaucrats are saying the journalists that were there were undermining democracy you look better make it already loves it went along with. Doing its best to extinguish democracy now youre after youre not it does not correct whats what so everybody else got it wrong you got it wrong the u. S. Which also sanctioned him got it right everybody got it wrong but they went in tell them no you were serious understood. Thats correct the point im making is yes there were a human race fail ations thats thats goes without saying and yes were mission of building but yes weve taken responsibility was weak went and put in place a new constitution well to say go to any responsibility at all because nobody has been brought to justice but because of course it was caused because of course because of constituent we have a new acts which is coming police of National Reconciliation with all these matters will be dealt with so we do all really janish of the National Healing yes are they also going to deal with the most serious allegations made against them in gagra which came in a two thousand and two un report to the Security Council it calls him the key strategist of an elite group involved in illicit Diamond Trading if you read that when i read the reports and that report is full of conjecture and innuendo eleanor france was wherever they were simply calling in the benjamin if you ready while a minimal for an investigation what implication being who actually was allegations whats allegations that you were the beginning of all of a hold on because of the reports of the networks which he was a senior figure who made money through what they called a variety of criminal activities including faffed embezzle meant diversion of public funds undervaluation of goods smuggling false invoicing nonpayment of taxes kickbacks to Public Officials and bright. If you had read that reports as you want to pretend you did you would not have returned or king of the returns you see but that is my ballistic theres no specific theres no specific allegation what is the reasons but when i was in a certain motel he was the big man it was where the speaker of parliament was the big human for the government of zimbabwe government of zimbabwe thats what the thats what the report says but theres Nothing Specific something was looking back again today not even worth investigating liza being above the law anyway so why all of the eve why but if they could know if the consul in the congo lost some damage or lost money too long about war or allegedly they should its for them to investigate whats what this is about would investigate its all smuggling demos were talking about here is what. They are so thats ok even if they came from the same democratic republic i got a great only five i wasnt i was not theyre not im saying its not all responsibility is to use money to investigate things that happened in the congo when its the man in the congo in the most Everybody Knows that the accusations on one go with the one on him out in multiple operations the old many governments organise many governments so let them investigate mr miller are you expect zimbabweans never mind the International Community simply to gloss over all this instead of seeking a detailed accounting of what took place or dont you care or do you simply dont care or dont you see there on the rose petals which are which mr man under way in the in the generals are being thrown i mean are being fitted with theyve been fitted with rose petals right now the u. S. Including the general said talking about all way involved in all of this that youre talking about so it means muslims are happy with the situation the people that arent happy if you are really you know were happy on the one youre happy with the heroes going to come on to that little bit but lets talk about the Public Theater of the last ten days to talk about here mr mugabe wasnt pushed out in order to bring in democracy doesnt p. S. Have been perfectly happy trashing democracy for thirty five years the thing that brought change was the terrible realisation that was true. He was going to bring his wife into the top job and that would have upset all the vested interests in your country people who counted on. Coming in to protect their interests and their secrets couldnt know about now could you not just recall the risk but not us of course what people cannot risk is somebody who thought to be unstable in what appeared in behaved terrible way to take over the controls of power in zimbabwe it would establish it would have destabilized the whole country it would have to submit the region that was the consent thats not the view of didnt mess with a veteran of the liberation struggle he was close to mugabe for fifteen years he was quite clear the army intervened he said to save zanu p. F. Not the country but he was so you not to know each other because that is a member of the opposition who also is with vested interests in the vital role in the liberation he told him of the something wrong you see he says the army forces had his opinions and yet it is not you know he says the armed forces are made up of zanu p. F. Members he said not democrats intent on our sharing in a pluralistic system not democrats intent on showing in a Pluralistic Society so in other words forget about democracy not just in the same way in other words which are sense because it is a bitter old man thats what im saying those are for going for democracy lets forget about what a member of opposition would say again as and what it was they also go in saying that the new vehicle would of even at the swearing in ceremony there were people wont take a new look at them because the president of botswana for one in karma he said it pretty clearly i dont see why i should wish him mugabe well if he cared nothing for his own people why should i care for him and then the way the crowds that booed the Police Commissioner general augusto ensuring there were calls for him to step down using gave you talk about rose petals for everybody its not rose petals its all this im sure you didnt actually check the relationship between the people of zimbabwe and indian Police Commissioner general the generals the rest of the army or the little. So the city secure crowds and the general indian. Jury why do you think the police were magistrate to stand down why are they all in the right now as im talking to you start to dream patrol patrols with the army because the police were not trusted by the people they were not trusted by the army they were not trusted by this and they were trusted by only president mugabe why because the person that was second in command of the police is this cousin and and the war point was to save lives that president s just about well what do you disturbing to many people young to be in your country the plenty of signs that the new president is no different from the old one you take hes warning about pluralism and political opposition those who oppose us will bark and bark he said they will continue to park but the zanu p. F. Train will roll on ruling and ruling while they bark again its all about the party theres nothing out of the crash last thats a misinterpretation of what he actually thats a direct quote of what you say yes but i would tell you any course get taken out of his context and this minute you think this man is ever going to allow the barking dogs of the opposition to sweep him out of power you know we shall give they will not a child if they were in your words if they really would its when you use the backing phrase its not all about opposition its even included grace what you are simply saying is when im focused on something i am or like im like a train or a locomotive every dog which runs around alongside the tracks can bark and back but the lot of those must stop its called a locomotive is not a country p. F. As far as hes got appears is the only vehicle for true force transformation within the country its really just calls it has its obvious conservation of thirty five years its trash we made mistakes trash democracy or trash not god we didnt trust democrats but yes we made mistakes and yes we messed up an economy state thats really disastrous whatever whatever line you tell when youre in. A very friendly guy youre a nice jovial sort of think of what actually whatever line you tell you go for well but miss them and gag works hostage to the brutality of the brutal record of zanu p. F. Is not theory this period as head of Central Intelligence in the mid 1980s coincided with the most brutal of all mugabes massacres in the socalled book or on the killings in which up to twenty thousand from the end of billy tribe were killed or disappeared hes denied any role but actually the state controlled by the way a chronicle reported at the time that he compared to students to bugs and cockroaches that had reached such an epidemic the government needed to bring in dealey and things to get rid of the actual thing so it works. I hear i had you now give me a chance to respond to you first thing is were weighing in a very limited very formative years of our country mistakes were made and the excuses massacre not even others and it doesnt excuse Employment Decisions and simply say we made mistakes so thats an admission that really sets the number one number two during that period when he was minister security unique was coming to power into account for his actions all the time when a very robust parliament at that time and it wasnt an excuse related crimes this was these were parking offenses for which you know pay a fine this was murder on a grand scale there were mistakes all its mistakes and there will be just understatement in history was the moment im not mistakes its much simpler made mistakes the restylane made mistakes you know they were mass murderers this was mass we lost the really shit now well see a minister not will last till we lost people we lost is about wins and. For you k. I was for it so its unfortunate that it happened but in the formative years of any nation if we go back to the history of britain would find that there were pages there were people that died it does what it does and doesnt clear people it doesnt make it any better but the fact still remains in a formative years of a nation things who happen which was she must have been our that should not have up and most of and i will violence stamped into your partys d. N. A. And thats already been proved yet again in the last week the very day the new president was sworn in the former finance minister Ignatius Trumbo was handed over to the police by the military who had beaten him up severely and while he was held in custody and he and to me actually were to testimony. Mistake the minister talking about vision in his various vision he himself in his testimony in chief he never said he wasnt he was a prisoner on the wrong you know he says he was tortured yes i mean they did it in the uk to destroy is wrong because the actual person didnt allege that he genuinely didnt beat him up now that is pretty much everywhere but you know in the sense that youve invested well you never said that he wont have this very hard to fight in court when by the Court Records isnt it when when somebody says a place and off in thats what we go back as oh ok well were making it up as his lawyer said it was a very brutal and took only in the way of dealing with pows if he says that but i cannot serbs very much so and i tweeted about it myself that this is not the way i want to do things but so thuggish is the country that youve created a few weeks ago the man the man are you calling us that do not know the man let me finish the man who is now president had to flee for his life a couple of weeks ago and he doesnt think thats an unfortunate set of population its not funny but i dont like him why dont i say no but i should have to feel him i dont know i said i dont accept your calling him a complementary study but i would say that it was it was unconventional it was wrong it shouldnt have happened that way but when its time isnt it and you know right before you is not sit in a club isnt it time you came out in the midst of whats been going on in your country all these years apart from just. Trying to get out of it by calling it a few mistakes now and im missing that people deserve Something Better than zanu p. F. Hoping people really do it not people deserve what they want for exactly thats what thats what democracy about its if People Choose and some appeal then that is an opinion isnt it i want to describe leaders was an awful prison for the peoples republic theyve made a choice theyll make a choice in july or so theyll make a choice again they choose not to be thats what they deserve i put it to troy smith who was Vice President for ten years yeah yeah but under mugabe zimbabwe became a byword for corruption murder trial cities and torture she didnt argue with that she didnt know she says a fact whats love again when you quote opposition we was good we are wounded she also has issues with him for ten years yeah but then Vice President but by then but then if you have any sense sorry for any of these mergers corruption atrocity you know what is torture option is there and its a problem there you go ive made an admission made us not to disco you want to say things happened as i told you mention intuition and then when the one hundred eighty two shouldnt have happened there you go you love those understatements things happened no these were murders massacres that carried out this was brutal brutal violence and you know it was message i said was things not happen when im saying i think you are playing it down well they want you know where your result they were told. They were dissidents one too they were torrence were actually kidnapped and killed they were they were somewhat age of infrastructure there were elections violence especially around the point thousand les im explaining what i mean by things happened so the response to the response to that was disproportionately yes im not into thats when somethings happened because things happen on both sides and thats the phrase i. Would not raise the temperatures in ethnic tensions in public you know just exactly i think what youre trying to do in january on the voice of america you were asked why your party havent been more successful in improving lives for the majority of zimbabwe three and a half decades. And you replied its a matter of time its not going to happen overnight of course when you end it and then you troll intend anything nobody seventy years and you say its a matter of time see im not going to have another one i want people spin saying this thirty seven years mantra theyve been hell they pretend but theres not nothing what happened in zimbabwe when when who electrification went around when people when they were a lot of educated people when schools were built when the provincial was for it was a professor or spittles were built when the university will instead of the university now weve got sixteen things positive things happened in zimbabwe you know you look like a unit nobody denies you ok so you didnt realize your education in the last wrote it isnt so its not a wasted thirty seven years but as for the economy you have a man i want you certainly not my wife yes im sorry but it will certainly set records but the one the records you wanted and the your policies grotesque mismanagement inflation peaked around three thousand and eight at two hundred thirty one million percent congratulations thank you very much to all that record but why because you the west undermined our economy its the worse off for well not you know were not sure about it on your staggering of course made incognita wed love to do this well i give you that but lets not lets not dismiss the role of the substance rate because the whole point was to bring down this moment economy and but there was a moment government and its how it works to some extent but the only thing that didnt happen is the government also broke down. My relation now is running at more than fourteen percent industrial output is less than ten percent of g. D. P. Compared to twenty five percent of the ninety nine ten nobodys under it in the world before the new president its a lot of work the task which he has to embark on right now thats why i say they have to hit the ground running and the first talk of an official to make this admission was Vice President he went to china and even that mission of the mob was twenty years behind in development and when somebody of that stature and that level makes that admission its a very Important Mission and because of that its not underwriting the task before him there are plenty of signs that your public wants justice and these last few days plenty of zimbabweans have been speaking out because they feel theyre able to say they hav