Great yourself. Your design channel. The palestinians are deadlocked with israel and deadlocked amongst themselves so what do they do now this week in a special edition conflict zone is coming to you from the ball in Foreign Policy forum my guest is the veteran palestinian chief negotiator saeb erekat if you dream of an independent state ever came true what would it look like. South america welcome to conflict zone and see if youre a reluctant peace negotiator these days how many times have you tried to resign the post you said a few years ago eight times but its probably more now than i dont have a job since Two Thousand And Fourteen jobless since that cannot stop the negotiations so i mean busy with my country but the palestinians are closing doors as well. Well i think it was with the americans. When nobody benefits more from Opening Doors with america and you never know what it was more because of the palestinians well thats why its such why president abbas told donald trump damn your money and your house be destroyed you know thats for the present i said. And myself met with president clinton his team and Two Thousand Seven Hundred Fifty seven. I think well hold the record and then you came out with that and then what
was on them resigned from decided to take you know a lot of The Big Question missteps rather than negotiation he declared or soon as it was capital moved the embassy to jerusalem then begin to say it couldnt be your capital as well would you like to say that when you say what are you said to do you remember what you saw of course i remember i said i was in the white house thirtieth of november meeting with her a questionnaire and just. Planning for my president to come and meet president on december fifth he said he was not ruling Out Jerusalem on the part of your couple more as well im going to tell you facts treat them mr question america more often have to talk to somebody from the wrong but first of december youre supposed to sign on not moving the embassy and you certainly not going to go i said my president the best counsel you want to meet my president on the fifth and the glare from the six to make him look like you secluding when you said you can do that so
they can do that and if you do less if you nice person and others are discovered then you would have disqualified yourself from any at all and the best probably look at the fact remains you cant get on with this administration youre not going to work if you say you said theyre not only brokers. Youve said but youve accused them of not being honest brokers over the years youve worked with many u. S. Administrations who were much better disposed towards you and you couldnt do a deal with them either so you keep on waiting for someone better to come into the White House Well you know you can save this and you can say that as palestinians i have organized the state of israel right to exist and live in peace and security next to this death but ive signed on the sixty seven lines at that acceptable solution is two for two and three three i have my president accepted no violence only through negotiations and having done all of this im asking my really colleagues if we dont or some of those israeli sample of things nobody else will
help us decisions are required from me and theres a Great American soldier shoulder my stomach might be to sit down with the american. Economy and there are they do not it is no Peace Process now take place what shall i sit with them to do feel peace or the meetings they refused to say two states one six seven they move their embassy they close the consulate which it stablished in eighteen forty four you know what are you going to let your answer of ideas not im not even gonna look i dont think im going to recline my im going to plan it so answer me this im going to have a glance if you want me to shoot at you and it will trickle in my feet ok because ive done everything humanly possible to make peace you know there are times everything im aware of that im very looked at from going to roll in my hometown you know with the military and fifteen point nine percent army the christian among the palestinians and forty nine point one percent of the. And general. But the only option is a two State Solution im asking you and im saying thats the one whos South America my mix you know talking to anybody theres no point talking to me from the top with him talking to you talking to the europeans the russians look we went as far as im going to do without the american outlook you know the world that were on now that World America you know you some day you know what theyll have to sit down with and someday i did not stop meeting some very well i deserve that meeting with them because they you know once Theodore Roosevelt said that the white house was an africa for International Morality and hes right and this white house requires states meant nothing else that agents they think by Twisting My Arm by blackmailing me by cutting one hundred and forty four Million Dollars to me including hospitals in jerusalem the only Cancer Center i sampled a French Hospital but in two hundred fifty Million Dollars will be scrupulously honest and Three Hundred four Million Dollars from United Nations relief and works
agency if they think they can i can say instead mr Sill Jerusalem course not superpowers look if you let me ask you this let me say one sometimes throughout history we seem powers and super powers come and go anyone who puts a ideology convection believe above his thoughts will doom us and him. And president crumb look i have Six Hundred And Twelve because last minutes when i summarize them im not only worried about palestinians and israelis and what about you when youre on it its far more about lambert survived what ericka im worried about the spanish waking up one morning finding Out Barcelona the capital of catalonia because The Price Is Right or the Caribbean Island will not or later South America you have to talk to him youve been heavily criticized for what some people have called a Scatter Gun Approach both to diplomacy and Decision Making the palestinian academics who say im not going to not make hardening from oxford university
verified last year to what they said was a series of seemingly inconsistent and poorly thought out diplomatic moves thats your territory like what they call the convincing threats to dismantle the Palestinian Authority how many times has that been threatened roosevelts never happen im so happy in pursuit of desperate and few tile in the ships such as the french proposal in twenty sixteen for an International Peace conference you still calling for an International Peace conference. Since its not going to happen then is it you know that im so happy that youre quoting my colleagues other clearly because you know palestinians dont need to see with the eyes of a madison or so about the recent roaring recently caught on you know that you can say anything about us we are a full democracy really we will come on the bandwagon how much of that much later when we really beings will just couple your crackdown or not really we reached out very well when you talk about wilkerson we met me but let me finish my point about
the other point before you get me into the other one right. What im telling you no one benefits more from peace more than palestinians and no one stands to lose more in the absence of peace more not honestly when i flew us out of here about what were going to need your factional divisions because they are killing your chance of peace be with you and this is on me yeah its all going with you if you dont do it we have a year after year after year the same factual divisions with how much with the other palestinian factions you cant do it you cant put aside your factional interests for the sake of the Palestinian People you know we have twenty six palestinian Political Parties and our only request is that an excuse look how massive the palestinian Political Party im not trying to exclude them all im dealing with them. We differ but once we know for its ballots and upwards and they have to understand that i cannot have a Palestinian State without having One Hundred Thirty one gun under one floor yes
everybody across you that but nobody here out there or me or you should say or me to do it or not im not going to do it they have taken over guys that are it could have caught it in themselves and or within us or you were in cairo asking Family Member going to some of them in Two Thousand And Seventeen and what then you must specify that the National Consensus on government reform would have mass shorter Mistress Sponsibility equally in the west bank and gaza and you got the ballots have a right angle that way they blame you and you blame them im not lonely and it doesnt im saying all of in fact it doesnt go forward does it look youre not giving me a plan to take this final and real division putting a plan to them when hania came to britain france cabinet i think you were there to partner more parliament i was speaking about the loyal opposition i said to him mr i mean to you are no longer a Prime Minister of hamas you are my Prime Minister act as such but that to be sure
that that is impossible if you think didnt work so were going to do good work what can you do when your president goes before the United NationsSecurity Council and he says i beg of you help us youve got to help yourselves were trying to you have to sort out these factional disputes or so i misspoke just how massive some us last months meeting of your Central Council the Democratic Front for the liberation of palestine they werent that the Popular Front For The Liberation Of Palestine they werent there either they didnt turn out if they were there because you are storming im procrastinating about decisions that suffer i was there accusation im the secretary rice really goes im just falling apart i am a palestinian is falling apart and i am the Secretary General of the p. L. O. In the front at the end all the logs that Committee Meeting still yesterday. Maybe decided not to come to the Center Console but this little certain kind of stunned got on their lips i cannot stand guard of their actions or their total we are a full democracy the reason they were caught that when you can ask them why the
book failure of the Palestinian National movement is its just a nation. And please stop listening i have seven grandchildren and believe me they would be much more nationalist and much more unified than me and your generation look at look at the latest polling in september come the studio in polling sixty two percent want your president to resign sixty seven percent of the satisfied with the performance of the Palestinian Authority three quarters conditions i was worse than before the Oslo Agreement there are so what if you were chief we are people who are not in my book my president one and one for what a man he seeks a permission from the Israeli Commando not so what when where i learn we are only are going to take up with a view to want to put worship but look at the World Bank Conditions look at the World Bank Report on the International Monetary fund report Two Thousand And Fourteen fifteen sixteen seventeen we have done with our very own got thirty crawling twenty years old. We have done in this one thing as more than any country
in the third world in sixty three years thats the truth in terms of Building Institutions and talk we both have enough human rights we have a right you have enough we have the right this are going to go to elections i did not come im not come to be the president by a tank or by a head of the city he came through elections he won by sixty one percent of the votes i won by fifty seven percent of the whats not man enough percent thats the fact and that is not going to have a lasting years. Following year so he said he wants you in your collections and in the club is not going to run when you having elections when we have say if we have elections without gets awfully certain were separating you think ok kind of us little guys are calling for elections you promise to let anything slip through unifying my people you personally probably not actually. Doing it now and im really anxious there your friends are doing a fantastic job not president abbas what was the Prison System theres a goal and you told them mr president you must specify the steps in accordance with
the timelines and im willing to go along with it as long as we reach the ballots im not the bullets and you say you cant have elections until you unified whatever structure to me you sort you were employing to make things better for your people its not working you see i mean garceau you actually helping to cause hardship you asked israel to cut electricity to gaza was not true because of iraq with hamas ourselves not true you didnt ask them thats not true you do look look i have a little i have an overloaded wagon of complexities around you know i mean how could the negotiations with me on twenty third of april Two Thousand And Fourteen. Because we signed the shot the agreement would have us and he said to me that evening you choose peace between me or new or one how much so about our closest friend the bennett question of our sense i have an overloaded wagon of complicity im twenty years old i commit mistakes im not saying it but i dont wake up in the
morning and say to that theyre up with the following mistakes youre scrambling you know i am doing like god im under no your question im under occupation i have a hundred and ninety six Million Dollars monthly income after the americans got it under an hour there together what i bet my president paired together monthly ninety six Million Dollars and spend One Hundred Million of them there was an iraq that likability is ok you actually has put Hospital Operations at risk water pumps Sewage Systems huge one happens you squeeze them more how can i sway them im paying ninety six Million Dollars out of my budgets of the present. What can i do i pay very costly for israel the water for israel and then they collect emasculates and they dont put it back in the Finance Ministry and when people protested in the streets about your action you were arrested dozens of them and you Security Forces beat them up in custody and you told me about democratic. Well look if you want me
to be perfect im not perfect if you was very far from the look those would look at me says government local to search using Human Resources you mentioned one demonstration is true some people were beaten up thats right but then Investigation Committee was formed after bubbling about and im going investigation i dont but how many searches do i have one daily basis and the west bank against abu mazen against myself how many every single day there is only one place in the arab world where the prostin have president as a criticizable opinion but i stand newspapers but i dont come boycott the attack lets look at everything every website. And then you are telling me that i am not the. School and using human rights and you say hes perfect and using up his post was only excuses what about the corruption the massive corruption which honestly having authority well the latest polling in september shows that more than eighty percent believe that there is widespread corruption in the Palestinian Authoritythey cite nepotism Bribery Abuse Of Public Funds and lack of transparency you know your