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DW Special Program April 19, 2019 22:15:00

I think i was a student because i wanted to build a life for myself like these totally but suddenly life became alledge kind of thought. Providing insights global news that matters v. W. Made for minds. Ive. Kind. All we can be the generation that ends it the good malaria must die so millions can live. Welcome to crunch time the european elections are just around the corner i know weve almost forgotten about them because of braggs but now they are back with a vengeance and you might have recognized the place we are sitting here this is of course the seat of the European Parliament in strasbourg and this is the last Plenary Session in this thread up before the election so its time to discuss the new elections and why they matter to asia now if you think someone is here you might ask why should i care about think european elections well its one of the biggest markets in the world and in times of globalization everyone everywhere can. Discuss that with a great panel so stick with us and stick with our guests on my left for example. Who is a member of the european greens and an expert on asia and she says the Guiding Light for Good Governance in the region needs to be universal human rights and on my right we have professor dr who he is from the center for global studies in boston and europe and asia need each other to overcome these times of uncertainty im right over there the youngest member of the European Parliament so its his future were also talking about here its of course ralph and he is from the e. C. R. Group the european conservatives and reformists and he says calling the asian economies suddenly systemic rivals and competitors is going too far. Also with us is mr good you think hes indias former ambassador to germany and he says europe is not. Discussion in asia. Least where is the home which shows some member of the european left enough. He says asia and europe need to be the closest possible partners to overcome the global problems talking about problems and bachmann next every time i talk about europe and asia people say to me you mean china many people here is the non in this china so lets talk china. China is big china is fine china is high tech. Nation is striving for power to become the Technology Hub of the world. And Road Initiatives in twenty First Century silk road its been called by the rich chinese Marshall Plan back to campaign for global dominance but does the trade go late. We cannot let mutual suspicion get the better of us from. Europe one straight but. This has to lead to a reciprocity that we are still struggling to achieve during in the months from now. European industries are increasingly falling under chinese control. Of the. European Enterprises Need to get the same degree of access to the market as the chinese get in europe. China is a Global Player when it comes to Digital Infrastructure europeans have long been familiar with the dominance of chinese giants like who way. Is china spying on europe. None of us is naive. China relations facing new challenges time and even a couple. You know hardball when you said you were looking for the closest possible relationship right here or should we disregard the spying of china should we disregard the Human Rights Situation and just go for a very Close Partnership Close Partnership includes human rights as i would say but this includes also. Concentrating on the question of how we can come cooperate and that means that we have to focus on the social issues on the Economic Issues on issues of human rights but of course also on the mental issues and that is the Globe Business is about that at least in the past when it comes to the Human Rights Situation so that really affected it is an effect of the question as it is maybe not enough effective but it is going into the right direction and here i see really a development in the by little relationship and we have to continue to strengthen also the attention on the human rights now. You might just come up with a very policies towards china recently score china and make a rival and with more telephones of governance you think thats going too far why well i wouldnt always call this assertive because some powers in europe really have an admiration for the Chinese State system i wouldnt go that far but i also dont want to be naive so i really want to point out that there are real challenges regarding china i really need to break up this public forum and markets china need to respect copyrights need to stop forcing this Technology Transfer that European Companies face in europe those are challenges but those challenges dont mean that we need to turn away from Global Cooperation that we need to start closing or selves to work towards the open markets because the openness and the freedom of markets that europe always showed in the past is exactly what makes you a great and we should maintain. This openness towards all partners in the future. Would you say would you agree with saying the wrong term systemic rivals well i think also what you said at the entrance that china and europe we have to Work Together in multilateral for our like the United Nations because we have a high risk time base our common policies on the rule of law and the rules based order and i think china could do much more now china is expanding in the United Nations feels a lot of gaps when the u. S. Pulled out but i think that theres a lack of conditioning it also on Human Rights Protection and i think now we have five human states in the Security Council to permanence Three Nonpermanent and still china should be more cooperative for example to refer severe human rights cases like in myanmar the case of the International Criminal court or the Human Rights Council itself but to find opportunities to put to you agree with the terms systemic rivals are we rivals or we partners well i think we are partners i think the term if you dont agree with what Terminology Rival is very limited to being a rival on the economic market i see the European Union also as a political entity and there should we should refine our hurting and seek opportunities to Work Together while at the same time critiquing where we have different for example different values. Willis is that it is rivals at an economic sense with china but would you argue that china is also has political aspirations of dominance through its various projects within the Playing Divide And Rule within the e. U. Through projects like the belgian Good Initiative. There was a lot of misunderstanding about the chinese one bill one load you. Teves you need if you. Really consider the situation for me the chinese. New Security Initiative is indeed a december strategy towards united staes which is a reaction to the americans even to egypt so the Chinese Government didnt want it to go directly into front confrontation too nice a deal have you going to be distracted to go with indeed to despair and turned to the European Countries with the idea. The second their first one is to to find a new way to create a new market whole Chinas Economy Decision is to avoid a direct confrontation. Just look at the last one is to find a way to give Chinese Society is a new possibility to give an area which is a totally separated from the globalization new chance to quantum you could development but this project is somehow miss radio and misunderstand you from the whole basket or do you feel like the project is misunderstood because i understand indians not participating at all indeed categorically refusing to participate because they have a completely different understanding of one belt one road that is a servant who understand things and i think the Common Knowledge to make a right is a good one i think you out of stops need to stop trying to namby pamby china they need to come up upfront and stand up for what they believe in you cant have economic leading you by the nose so that all your values are surrendered you have to emphasize human values beyond human rights which of the you why you. Dont vote because we believe or is not looking out for other countries. Interests political strategic and economic and we do not want the world to become kind of a Stimulus Package for the chinese economy so i want children hes talking about Ambassador Thing is i think one should not Namby Pamby Shina that the e. U. Has come up with its own asia or europe Connectivity Package do you think that is europes. Or board of the one bad one Good Initiative i would not say that is just the opposite issue but here we have to find channels to to combine these different plans etc because i would not agree totally with you but i would say that this rivalry understanding is just describing more than only economic violence it is a way of how we are treating each other and that is a term from the cold war times and that means we are competing each other not. To break the other one economically politically etc that i think is leading if you are looking into the Global Challenge into the wrong direction if for example one point four billion people in china want to live their way of. Living or one point Three Million Billion in india and one more billion in the other Asian Countries so what does it mean for resources what does it mean for the reproduction what does it mean for the climate so here i think we have really obligation to find channels to cooperate and i would welcome that in europe participating in these different plans and well talk about that more later about indias indias role in that but i think its safe to say that of course china is much more involved nowadays in europe not only on the fringes but in the European Union as well that it was in the past we prepared to tweet from that because greece obviously is one of the countries where there was a lot of investment Chinese Investment in the last years and this tweet is from Alexis Tsipras the green. Prime minister i think we have it says meeting with the chinese president xi jinping greece is a bridge between east and west china and the e. U. Now this. Is a couple years old but it is well its more relevant than ever it seems and wouldnt you say professor that some people in europe could feel threatened by chinese activity as of late. In the perception of the chinese threat is understandable. Because of two reasons the first one is we have People Living inEuropean Countries you have no experience with a country which is on the floor of the Communist Party with tremendous new power going into the condiment new. Nobody because you kiran the second one is misunderstanding because why you go to chinese do you do you have the feeling we just come to you. Only with a computer with a new projector to walk with you to good why are you reaction so. What is our rather. Evil christian discussion in china do you hear also term travel with. Few of china to project i believe the real huge demand for b. The bridge connecting. With the chinese. Is only a project no to. Im trying not to do you agree with that because there is a lot of concern in the chinas influence not just within europe at the Eastern Europe we have the sixteen Point One Initiative has now joined the sixteen plus one initiative its now seventeen plus one did in fact europe all these countries in the into the arms of the chinese because they. On countries like greece not giving them money was a member sell the assets to willing buyers like china well i would. Agree with you in one point i think china. Openly used its influence and its economic ties for example with greece and conditioned it two years ago and you say because you depend on our economic aid or support you have not to vote to critique china in the Human Rights Council and this kind of policy is very rational that the european side critiques this because the European Union can be only strong in a multilateral fora if we speak with one voice and this was a clear take split. And i think this china should seek different forms to engage and to Work Together by strengthening not weakening the human rights and if i may be scared of our own shadow europe is the biggest Global Economy we are the biggest Trading Block of the world we are the biggest Export Partner of china and we should respect ourselves with this position this is only a bit to be more assertive to sit around the table with china and im not scared of these investments in the in the balkans and so on because recent projects have clearly shown that china fails to deliver a lot of time you know i mean you know with the power plants in montenegro with the Road Building so this country also understand that china has major difficulties. Applying the european rules regarding procurement better just have example withTechnology Transfer in the last years you know but we see for example with the project in montenegro with the roads that they really meant the complexity of the local regions and i think this type of collaboration will never replace European Union but it can work complimentary in certain cases but we should really look and respect our own our own position on a global level and not be scared of our own shadow and we want the big concerns here just like it is that when china is investing some of these Eastern Europe in both the investing in Critical Infrastructure and in Campaign Speech have actually limited Financial Resources creating what people feel is a debt trap so these kind of things then have a certain dependency on china which rallies. Exactly where we need to really assertive policy and we are doing that to simply make these Foreign Direct Investment Screen System where the European Union provides a framework where Member States can really screen Foreign Investments and this will temper chinas chinas eagerness to invest in strategic sectors so this. Really shows that we can play on the same equal level fields and if we play in this global position then we can Work Together with china and from a europes point of perspective shape the worlds in and grow Ball Trading System with fair rules and open trade i think what i call the namby pamby approach i mean you see you really cant be serious. Back it says china is not following global rules china is taking advantage of the weakness of current globalization and stepping in the didnt want to and of globalization i dont think theyre what do you about European Investment growth they are about it not even so much about the deck to create this are trying to export the are we out of economic trouble you do the domestic chinese you are trying to export to different parts of the world what do the angels do so i think you have a story you want to say something. I do believe that the chinese got. Your right to seventy china has a lot of things to improve certain. I think with the government of the Chinese People especially deprive a company if they go out to two European Countries they do try to play with the game with the rules of the w t o the majority i would say so the second point i want to make is please respect respect the suffering decision power of the European Countries and the Companies People doing business with china we cannot afford

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