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Give them the best results. Also on the day, thousands of data in thousands more are missing and loving in libya, International Aid organizations erasing to respond, Epic Proportions as not saying a storm like this. In the range and was that in moving memories . So the work now is really to get in supplies, but get in look at a lot. Sadly some of those supplies include things like 40 bucks. Welcome to the day. Its being billed as the trial. It could totally reshape the Tech Industry and to shake the home, but many Big Tech Companies have own that customers. An antique trust trial against google opened in washington dc. Today. Prosecutions allows the company illegally made itself the default app on many devices and services, crushing its competitive in the process noise for both sides of made opening statements. And the trial is expected to last 10 weeks. Its a 1st time and a quarter of a century that a tech company has faced anti trust low in the us. The last time was when microsoft was prosecute to the dominance of its Internet Explorer browser. Google denies the accusations, incense its products succeed simply because back the best on the market. Lets pick this up. But jennifer huddleston, who was a Technology Policy Research Fellow at the Cato Institute in washington dc. Welcome to the w. So this is a federal case brought by the justice department. Why of a going after google . I think thats actually a really good question. And now that when were looking at this case, why are we seeing the American Government director, an incredibly successful american company, a company thats very popular with consumers . What the government, in this case is brought by the department of justice. Its also, there is also a companion case brought by the attorney general of several different states are arguing is that google has not only a change monopoly power, but that its using that monopoly power in anti competitive way or maintaining that monopoly power in anti competitive ways. Such as, by making itself the, the default Search Engine, or through what its doing in the Search Engine Advertising Market. Whats interesting though is this is a company thats incredibly popular with consumer and much of it, 6. And much of, of whats going on here is actually a question of should consumers be the one to decide what products are successful in the market . Or is there a Government Intervention to dictate what the market in search should look like. So because of that, thats of motivation to see a little bit of cloudy. That is this green savings really . Yes. Just the sideways way. Ive tried, ive tried to break up this and i know him as a company like god taking down al capones and not paying his taxes. As we certainly have seen a lot of scrutiny of big Cap Companies of these leading Cap Companies that are largely american on both sides of the atlantic. Actually, weve seen a lot of scrutiny from european regulators, but interestingly, were also seeing a lot of scrutiny from us regulators on both the left and the right. This is probably a result of various political motivations that vary depending on whether youre looking at it on the left or the right. But also it represents a pretty dramatic shift in the way that weve seen competition policy use in the us. And what i see as in berry concerning show away from something thats truly focused on the consumers and how the competitive markets are benefiting consumers, or how anti competitive behavior may be farming consumers to something thats much more focused on kind of the idea of concentration in and of itself is a harm. The idea that competition policy is to be focus more on competitors than on the outcomes that are best work. And so what do you think the outcome of this child is likely to be . Can you see google being broken off or perhaps just getting its wings clipped . A really interesting questions in this particular trial is what happens even if the government wins . What would . What would that look like in terms of a remedy . Because its not necessarily all the is that there, there is a potential regulatory remedy there or so when you stop and think about them, they are so anti consumer that its really concerning what those remedies would look like. The idea that when you open the web browser, there will be no default Search Engine. You were not ready to either have to just be random. Or you would have to go through additional steps to select a Search Engine when thats something that consumers have largely come to expect. The fact that this could change the Advertising Market when add to prices have generally fallen in ways of having probably benefit small businesses. Were now able to advertise online much more easily than in an area where you had to purchase Television Advertising or print advertising. But i think the other really interesting question here is what does this do to the innovation thats going on in search itself . What does it do in terms of the developments were seeing in a i the shift were seeing to how jen z as is searching completely differently and things like voice recognition. And then finally, what does it mean when it comes to what competition policy is being useful . What would this mean in terms of how we would see regulators, particularly in the us, potentially pursuing antitrust cases of the future . Right, the did this on the 1st of the many points you made that you make. It sounds like quite a complicated business of changing your, your search provider. Im googles defense. And certainly when i used my phone or the computer is, i know its really easy to change Search Engines, thats actually not a huge a button on the consumer as well. It is very easy to change Search Engines right now, its only 4 clicks away on your typical smartphone. But most people expect that there is a pre set Search Engine that youre not opening on the phone out of the box with nothing preinstalled in it. But theres one and then you can can change it if you dont like that one, or want to go to another one. I think that some of the question here too is, should the government be dictating what these business relationships can look like . And what products are offering to consumers when something comes out of the box . An interesting way um, besides the atlantic is you, as your hands about earlier that you are paying union has just introduced legislative control of the big tank with its digital moffatts act, designating a alphabet thats googles parent company, an amazon apple bite down stick talks of this and meta, they own as a facebook and microsoft as gatekeepers who will have now 6 months to me issue full compliance with these new laws. Can you see that being successful and something that the u. The u. S. Is likely to look at and try to adopt. It is very interesting to see this dynamic emerge between the you and us regulators. And i think its very concerning to see how many america leading american Tech Companies have really appeared to be the target of, of this kind of regulation that seems very specifically designed to go after not general practices, but those particular companies. These are leading Innovative Companies and were seeing them continue to compete, not only amongst each other, but against any number of emerging players, whether its in a i or whether its through the development of new social media or whether its 3 things in any wide array of of markets and industry. So when we see Something Like a Regulatory Framework in the dna, i really have questions about what thats going to do for the future of innovation. And again, is it really the role of government regulators to dictate what consumers should have access to in the market when we are continuing to see that this remains a competitive and innovative mark . So why event, dear thing, the us congress, which has consider this issue, many of the time of failed to ryan a and what have been colbys anti competitive practices of these companies . I think its a failure. I think that the proposal to be seen are very concerning and the way that they shift the focus away from, from the consumer. The proposals weve seen in the us congress would actually largely harm consumers in the way that it would prevent them from having certain features that they come to expect. And except to be ability to you knows it. When you google, find me the nearest hamburger restaurant that a map pops up with the, the list of the hamburger restaurants that are nearby. Or the way that when you are trying to find out more information or, or reviews about a place that you have several different options, including those options that may be built in to a service. But you can also very easily go to other services if you dont like the options that are available and, and google. And so when were seeing these regulations come in, what theyre telling companies is we think we know you think you know what your consumer wants. But we know better and rather than what to be popular by serving your consumers, were going to dictate so that we can make sure that your competitors have at hospice. Same advantages that you have. So if youre more innovative, if youre more successful, youre providing more popular services, were gonna try it and regulate that in a way to, to, to make the product go down a level rather than allowing the Market Competition to praise everything up a lot. So quick. What about money . Because of course, the big suspicion has pain that 1. 00 of the reasons that big tech has been so successful in avoiding and legislative oversights in the us is the more than 250 1000000. 00 that spends on lobbyist advertising pay. All companies, as well as political donations, can you see them being able to spend their way as of this cooling or something that im really able to to speak on. What i will point out is that we continue to see a debate over anti trust and that its important that we recognize the value of the existing antitrust framework, which is objective and flexible and economically sailed to deal with a wide array of industries. And that we recognize that any changes to antitrust law, even if they may be nominally directed at big Cap Companies are likely to impact the market far more generally. Good to hear. Thank you for intake here. So thats actually jennifer hubble. Since im the Cato Institute, thousands of people have been killed in catastrophic flooding in libya. The International Federation of red crossman Red Crescent Society just as around 10000 people. Im missing after barreling across the mediterranean storm, daniel hate causing floods which swept away in time neighborhoods in eastern coastal areas. The destruction is west endowed with 2 dams collapsed, wiping out a course of the Safety Emergency Services put down his current desktop as around 2300 relief efforts have been complicated by the fact that libyas internationally recognized government in tripoli does not control the devastation east and regions, whole neighborhood submerged by will to residents in this area of Eastern Libya come face to face with the devastation caused by the storm. Some buildings were swept away entirely by the force of wind and rain. While im going to the regions Armed Forces Say its almost impossible to currently assess the extent of the disaster. You have a lot of them. Although for a number of affected people is very high, the damage is huge. So you didnt talk to describe or measure it stuff please. Yeah, im not gonna really well. My father view it to him. Woman, i didnt have a social media such as shows the dom that was demolished as raging flood torches into the coastal search. You have done flooding the central streets. Age convoys makes the way through corruption, which is on the roads into done to reach resident stranded by the storm. The area has been declared to dissolve to zone and the libyan president ial counselors appealing for international help. But as the head of the International Red cross and libya tom, a ramadan told dw rescue team his face, hes challenges access to that 58 is not easy. Uh, also the collapse of the facilities is a big, a big challenge that the, theres no access to these kind of services in the 2nd 6 is a communication is another big, big challenge because this is causing the problem is got and accordingly the networks are not working properly, we for long dollars use communication with our teams on the account. Despite the difficulties, the search continues here for the thousands of people still believe to be missing and they can take a closer look at the issues that cloud you have got. See me who is a senior, i leased a for maybe a at the International Crisis group. She done just from rome. Welcome to dw youve 20, but this is libby as 911. Why . So . Well, 1st of all, it happened on line hasnt uh, and uh, in a certain sense this is a completely on a, its a completely new experience for the bits of tragedy that the previous was the previous political feuds. I would say that even the war games capacity has no comparison to so its a, its, its a really a groundbreaking moment for a country. Its a travesty for those affected directly, but for the country as a whole, because been 40 years of lived in history, weve never seen the storm of this extent was never seen a Natural Disaster of this extent and so many casualties just in one day. So the comparison i think is up and its so devastating because what bit bit better is this just been this called combination of capacitive feet, the size of the store, they add the apparent lack of preparation uh full off for the store. The collapse of these dams, it seems to be just one piece off the piles on top of another. Yes, exactly. I mean nobody was expecting a town port of rain of this extent. Nobody could have been imagined it even the bins and a plane metal socrates michel ro, decal, center hours before the tragedy in the now were warning that we would not warning this as a, as a a catastrophic event. They thought this would be just okay, the storm as usual. So there was some misinformation there, but the, the, the, the quantity of rain that came down is just of the charts. Thats one thing. The other problem was, of course, the infrastructure and theyve been in the past 10 years, has not, you know, has had divided government has been intermittently as well. That might, itself is one of the cities that has the most affected by ward over these years. Its been, its been a war zone for 5 years between 20142019. So theres been very little infrastructural maintenance in that area, including on these you know, the small that them outside the city which completely collapsed and, and the end, the bringing down buildings and in the valley adjacent to the diamond and, and further in the center of the city, so this is the 2nd level of the 2nd tragedies that the infrastructure didnt hold up. And i think were going to witness a 3rd tragedy, which is that the rest 2 assets are going to be very difficult because roads are being blocked. This area is isolated to reach the from bank as of which is the main, cynthia, nice and libya. You have to go through various show 2 points, which as far as we understand now, are still not accessible. Uh so its in bridge that is a faulty road that is broken and so on and so forth. And just a few minutes ago, there was an alert from us ortiz a nice and theyve been saying that another dime in the outskirts of been guys is also at risk. So them warning and of us to people to evacuate. So that could even complicate things, that unless it is your site, the controller because of the country, is still contested with different governments and the east and the west and this devastation is in the east of those 2 Governments Co operating on towards and 19 gra, rescue and relief efforts. Well, so far were not even seeing relief effort, so i cant even say that their cord and hits includes where we, when, lets see relief efforts. A deadline, for example, 48 hours after the tragedy. That hasnt been one rest you humbly reaching the city. I havent seen footage of rescue teams even leaving buttons as a so so, so up until now with not see anything on the ground moving in terms of coordination between the 2 governments. Theyre talking to each other and they have been for months, but its more under the tables and have conversations dealing in wheeling. Whether this now will leads to an outright sort of corporation. We can only hope so. Were not seeing evidence of that yet. Were not hearing that and certainly from the statements, but from the politicians when were not hearing that, were hearing the people saying, you know, its put politics aside. Lets join hands. Theres a human to human solidarity, you know, people to people solidarity on the ground. But we havent seen that type of vocal opening of hand some additions, but yet i dont, on the, the lack of preparedness of being infrastructure. I guess part of the eventual reckoning is going to be, well, well, these 2 dams, a collapse with a fit for purpose and was corruption a factor . Well, i think thatd be pushing a bit too far. I mean, 1st of all, we have to acknowledge that the volume of water that came down was, as i said off the tight. So we dont even know if, if you dams where there would if, whether they would have held any way. Because the volume of water and the speed that at which they came though it came down from the mountains, was extraordinary beyond any possible sort of planning in terms of engineering of dance. But certainly that there is the fact that there has to be no upkeep of the infrastructure uh, at least for the past 10 years. No, no, any of these dams, of all the infrastructure, the roads, bridges in International Aid<\/a> organizations erasing to respond, Epic Proportions<\/a> as not saying a storm like this. In the range and was that in moving memories . So the work now is really to get in supplies, but get in look at a lot. Sadly some of those supplies include things like 40 bucks. Welcome to the day. Its being billed as the trial. It could totally reshape the Tech Industry<\/a> and to shake the home, but many Big Tech Companies<\/a> have own that customers. An antique trust trial against google opened in washington dc. Today. Prosecutions allows the company illegally made itself the default app on many devices and services, crushing its competitive in the process noise for both sides of made opening statements. And the trial is expected to last 10 weeks. Its a 1st time and a quarter of a century that a tech company has faced anti trust low in the us. The last time was when microsoft was prosecute to the dominance of its Internet Explorer<\/a> browser. Google denies the accusations, incense its products succeed simply because back the best on the market. Lets pick this up. But jennifer huddleston, who was a Technology Policy<\/a> Research Fellow<\/a> at the Cato Institute<\/a> in washington dc. Welcome to the w. So this is a federal case brought by the justice department. Why of a going after google . I think thats actually a really good question. And now that when were looking at this case, why are we seeing the American Government<\/a> director, an incredibly successful american company, a company thats very popular with consumers . What the government, in this case is brought by the department of justice. Its also, there is also a companion case brought by the attorney general of several different states are arguing is that google has not only a change monopoly power, but that its using that monopoly power in anti competitive way or maintaining that monopoly power in anti competitive ways. Such as, by making itself the, the default Search Engine<\/a>, or through what its doing in the Search Engine<\/a> Advertising Market<\/a>. Whats interesting though is this is a company thats incredibly popular with consumer and much of it, 6. And much of, of whats going on here is actually a question of should consumers be the one to decide what products are successful in the market . Or is there a Government Intervention<\/a> to dictate what the market in search should look like. So because of that, thats of motivation to see a little bit of cloudy. That is this green savings really . Yes. Just the sideways way. Ive tried, ive tried to break up this and i know him as a company like god taking down al capones and not paying his taxes. As we certainly have seen a lot of scrutiny of big Cap Companies<\/a> of these leading Cap Companies<\/a> that are largely american on both sides of the atlantic. Actually, weve seen a lot of scrutiny from european regulators, but interestingly, were also seeing a lot of scrutiny from us regulators on both the left and the right. This is probably a result of various political motivations that vary depending on whether youre looking at it on the left or the right. But also it represents a pretty dramatic shift in the way that weve seen competition policy use in the us. And what i see as in berry concerning show away from something thats truly focused on the consumers and how the competitive markets are benefiting consumers, or how anti competitive behavior may be farming consumers to something thats much more focused on kind of the idea of concentration in and of itself is a harm. The idea that competition policy is to be focus more on competitors than on the outcomes that are best work. And so what do you think the outcome of this child is likely to be . Can you see google being broken off or perhaps just getting its wings clipped . A really interesting questions in this particular trial is what happens even if the government wins . What would . What would that look like in terms of a remedy . Because its not necessarily all the is that there, there is a potential regulatory remedy there or so when you stop and think about them, they are so anti consumer that its really concerning what those remedies would look like. The idea that when you open the web browser, there will be no default Search Engine<\/a>. You were not ready to either have to just be random. Or you would have to go through additional steps to select a Search Engine<\/a> when thats something that consumers have largely come to expect. The fact that this could change the Advertising Market<\/a> when add to prices have generally fallen in ways of having probably benefit small businesses. Were now able to advertise online much more easily than in an area where you had to purchase Television Advertising<\/a> or print advertising. But i think the other really interesting question here is what does this do to the innovation thats going on in search itself . What does it do in terms of the developments were seeing in a i the shift were seeing to how jen z as is searching completely differently and things like voice recognition. And then finally, what does it mean when it comes to what competition policy is being useful . What would this mean in terms of how we would see regulators, particularly in the us, potentially pursuing antitrust cases of the future . Right, the did this on the 1st of the many points you made that you make. It sounds like quite a complicated business of changing your, your search provider. Im googles defense. And certainly when i used my phone or the computer is, i know its really easy to change Search Engine<\/a>s, thats actually not a huge a button on the consumer as well. It is very easy to change Search Engine<\/a>s right now, its only 4 clicks away on your typical smartphone. But most people expect that there is a pre set Search Engine<\/a> that youre not opening on the phone out of the box with nothing preinstalled in it. But theres one and then you can can change it if you dont like that one, or want to go to another one. I think that some of the question here too is, should the government be dictating what these business relationships can look like . And what products are offering to consumers when something comes out of the box . An interesting way um, besides the atlantic is you, as your hands about earlier that you are paying union has just introduced legislative control of the big tank with its digital moffatts act, designating a alphabet thats googles parent company, an amazon apple bite down stick talks of this and meta, they own as a facebook and microsoft as gatekeepers who will have now 6 months to me issue full compliance with these new laws. Can you see that being successful and something that the u. The u. S. Is likely to look at and try to adopt. It is very interesting to see this dynamic emerge between the you and us regulators. And i think its very concerning to see how many america leading american Tech Companies<\/a> have really appeared to be the target of, of this kind of regulation that seems very specifically designed to go after not general practices, but those particular companies. These are leading Innovative Companies<\/a> and were seeing them continue to compete, not only amongst each other, but against any number of emerging players, whether its in a i or whether its through the development of new social media or whether its 3 things in any wide array of of markets and industry. So when we see Something Like<\/a> a Regulatory Framework<\/a> in the dna, i really have questions about what thats going to do for the future of innovation. And again, is it really the role of government regulators to dictate what consumers should have access to in the market when we are continuing to see that this remains a competitive and innovative mark . So why event, dear thing, the us congress, which has consider this issue, many of the time of failed to ryan a and what have been colbys anti competitive practices of these companies . I think its a failure. I think that the proposal to be seen are very concerning and the way that they shift the focus away from, from the consumer. The proposals weve seen in the us congress would actually largely harm consumers in the way that it would prevent them from having certain features that they come to expect. And except to be ability to you knows it. When you google, find me the nearest hamburger restaurant that a map pops up with the, the list of the hamburger restaurants that are nearby. Or the way that when you are trying to find out more information or, or reviews about a place that you have several different options, including those options that may be built in to a service. But you can also very easily go to other services if you dont like the options that are available and, and google. And so when were seeing these regulations come in, what theyre telling companies is we think we know you think you know what your consumer wants. But we know better and rather than what to be popular by serving your consumers, were going to dictate so that we can make sure that your competitors have at hospice. Same advantages that you have. So if youre more innovative, if youre more successful, youre providing more popular services, were gonna try it and regulate that in a way to, to, to make the product go down a level rather than allowing the Market Competition<\/a> to praise everything up a lot. So quick. What about money . Because of course, the big suspicion has pain that 1. 00 of the reasons that big tech has been so successful in avoiding and legislative oversights in the us is the more than 250 1000000. 00 that spends on lobbyist advertising pay. All companies, as well as political donations, can you see them being able to spend their way as of this cooling or something that im really able to to speak on. What i will point out is that we continue to see a debate over anti trust and that its important that we recognize the value of the existing antitrust framework, which is objective and flexible and economically sailed to deal with a wide array of industries. And that we recognize that any changes to antitrust law, even if they may be nominally directed at big Cap Companies<\/a> are likely to impact the market far more generally. Good to hear. Thank you for intake here. So thats actually jennifer hubble. Since im the Cato Institute<\/a>, thousands of people have been killed in catastrophic flooding in libya. The International Federation<\/a> of red crossman Red Crescent Society<\/a> just as around 10000 people. Im missing after barreling across the mediterranean storm, daniel hate causing floods which swept away in time neighborhoods in eastern coastal areas. The destruction is west endowed with 2 dams collapsed, wiping out a course of the Safety Emergency Services<\/a> put down his current desktop as around 2300 relief efforts have been complicated by the fact that libyas internationally recognized government in tripoli does not control the devastation east and regions, whole neighborhood submerged by will to residents in this area of Eastern Libya<\/a> come face to face with the devastation caused by the storm. Some buildings were swept away entirely by the force of wind and rain. While im going to the regions Armed Forces Say<\/a> its almost impossible to currently assess the extent of the disaster. You have a lot of them. Although for a number of affected people is very high, the damage is huge. So you didnt talk to describe or measure it stuff please. Yeah, im not gonna really well. My father view it to him. Woman, i didnt have a social media such as shows the dom that was demolished as raging flood torches into the coastal search. You have done flooding the central streets. Age convoys makes the way through corruption, which is on the roads into done to reach resident stranded by the storm. The area has been declared to dissolve to zone and the libyan president ial counselors appealing for international help. But as the head of the International Red<\/a> cross and libya tom, a ramadan told dw rescue team his face, hes challenges access to that 58 is not easy. Uh, also the collapse of the facilities is a big, a big challenge that the, theres no access to these kind of services in the 2nd 6 is a communication is another big, big challenge because this is causing the problem is got and accordingly the networks are not working properly, we for long dollars use communication with our teams on the account. Despite the difficulties, the search continues here for the thousands of people still believe to be missing and they can take a closer look at the issues that cloud you have got. See me who is a senior, i leased a for maybe a at the International Crisis<\/a> group. She done just from rome. Welcome to dw youve 20, but this is libby as 911. Why . So . Well, 1st of all, it happened on line hasnt uh, and uh, in a certain sense this is a completely on a, its a completely new experience for the bits of tragedy that the previous was the previous political feuds. I would say that even the war games capacity has no comparison to so its a, its, its a really a groundbreaking moment for a country. Its a travesty for those affected directly, but for the country as a whole, because been 40 years of lived in history, weve never seen the storm of this extent was never seen a Natural Disaster<\/a> of this extent and so many casualties just in one day. So the comparison i think is up and its so devastating because what bit bit better is this just been this called combination of capacitive feet, the size of the store, they add the apparent lack of preparation uh full off for the store. The collapse of these dams, it seems to be just one piece off the piles on top of another. Yes, exactly. I mean nobody was expecting a town port of rain of this extent. Nobody could have been imagined it even the bins and a plane metal socrates michel ro, decal, center hours before the tragedy in the now were warning that we would not warning this as a, as a a catastrophic event. They thought this would be just okay, the storm as usual. So there was some misinformation there, but the, the, the, the quantity of rain that came down is just of the charts. Thats one thing. The other problem was, of course, the infrastructure and theyve been in the past 10 years, has not, you know, has had divided government has been intermittently as well. That might, itself is one of the cities that has the most affected by ward over these years. Its been, its been a war zone for 5 years between 20142019. So theres been very little infrastructural maintenance in that area, including on these you know, the small that them outside the city which completely collapsed and, and the end, the bringing down buildings and in the valley adjacent to the diamond and, and further in the center of the city, so this is the 2nd level of the 2nd tragedies that the infrastructure didnt hold up. And i think were going to witness a 3rd tragedy, which is that the rest 2 assets are going to be very difficult because roads are being blocked. This area is isolated to reach the from bank as of which is the main, cynthia, nice and libya. You have to go through various show 2 points, which as far as we understand now, are still not accessible. Uh so its in bridge that is a faulty road that is broken and so on and so forth. And just a few minutes ago, there was an alert from us ortiz a nice and theyve been saying that another dime in the outskirts of been guys is also at risk. So them warning and of us to people to evacuate. So that could even complicate things, that unless it is your site, the controller because of the country, is still contested with different governments and the east and the west and this devastation is in the east of those 2 Governments Co<\/a> operating on towards and 19 gra, rescue and relief efforts. Well, so far were not even seeing relief effort, so i cant even say that their cord and hits includes where we, when, lets see relief efforts. A deadline, for example, 48 hours after the tragedy. That hasnt been one rest you humbly reaching the city. I havent seen footage of rescue teams even leaving buttons as a so so, so up until now with not see anything on the ground moving in terms of coordination between the 2 governments. Theyre talking to each other and they have been for months, but its more under the tables and have conversations dealing in wheeling. Whether this now will leads to an outright sort of corporation. We can only hope so. Were not seeing evidence of that yet. Were not hearing that and certainly from the statements, but from the politicians when were not hearing that, were hearing the people saying, you know, its put politics aside. Lets join hands. Theres a human to human solidarity, you know, people to people solidarity on the ground. But we havent seen that type of vocal opening of hand some additions, but yet i dont, on the, the lack of preparedness of being infrastructure. I guess part of the eventual reckoning is going to be, well, well, these 2 dams, a collapse with a fit for purpose and was corruption a factor . Well, i think thatd be pushing a bit too far. I mean, 1st of all, we have to acknowledge that the volume of water that came down was, as i said off the tight. So we dont even know if, if you dams where there would if, whether they would have held any way. Because the volume of water and the speed that at which they came though it came down from the mountains, was extraordinary beyond any possible sort of planning in terms of engineering of dance. But certainly that there is the fact that there has to be no upkeep of the infrastructure uh, at least for the past 10 years. No, no, any of these dams, of all the infrastructure, the roads, bridges in Eastern Libya<\/a>. But even in western the so its, thats the state the country is, and i wouldnt blame corruption for that. I would just, i would say that that is the side effect of the country that has been intermittently at war. And where you have these political views between various centers of power, where politicians or military authorities are more interested in carving out their own authority. I am and the proclaiming the, you know, governments legitimacy and few do over the control of funds rather than write planning. Rather than rebuilding and those things that a country need just would have a quick well then yeah, you said that theres no relief aspect as yet. So do you expect that to be an International Assistance<\/a> and how will that if it comes, how will that be directed of from within libya as well . What were just seeing now in the past few hours is just a few planes arriving in the z. I think there was something from sent from egypt and there was news of something arriving from turkey. I know my country, italy has also offered a 2 to send press to teams. But one thing is sending, you know, humanitarian aid to blankets. And so to, to an airport that is accessible in a city where you dont have damage. And another thing is sending that age to the devastated areas, but most importantly, its not blankets. Its not food. What people need, i mean also, but as one residence residence in the crying said is we have thousands of said, well, he needs is a rescue teams to, to lift and move the debris, search for survivors, and return the city to a minimum of, of livable state its, its not, its not suit uh at this moment we need the bulldozers we need, we need the heavy lifting and lived in this moment. I dont think its capable of doing the heavy lifting. Thats why International Assistance<\/a> is key, but it will be difficult to reach the effected areas as of now the roads are interrupted, right. And we will have to be, theyll be have theyll have to be high Level Planning<\/a> on how to make that happen. So lets take a step backwards then, and just look at the context because libya had faded very much from western headlines before the storm head. This is an oil which company which of stuff does your site decades of war and people and you wrote just last month for the countries politics was stealing crises. So give us an outline, sketch of, of what was going on before this happened. So um, well, you know, the country uh, split essentially since in 201420152 rival centers of power. One wisdom. And as the, and one and tripoli has been intermittently, its a tool with one another. It was a brief interlude of unity where you and let me go see ations led to the appointment of a new government in in 2021. And for a moment this government did manage to unify the country. But again, it lasted less than a year, and uh, its been 18 months now that the country has been divided into 2 centers of power, each claiming that they are legitimate. One and tripoli has the international recognition. The one in the, in jersey has the backing of the, of the, of the libyan par limits. So they have being talks to try to resolve this political crisis to elections. But talks were supposed to deliver election laws and election for a president and a new parliament. But that, thats told theyve been attempts to unify the 2 governments and create one out of 2. But that has all right, sold entry, the political process is just froze and we havent seen any develop. Thank you so much for outlining that. So clearly a force claudia got sandy from the International Crisis<\/a> group. Thank you. And that was today. You can not follow out to him on twitter at dw, and use on my cell phone. So now at, okay, have a good day. Ill see you soon. The securing evidence to convict the changes in south africa. Poaching is the business with millions of heroes. Of the new main and detective that has to end and so ranges are now being trained in forensics. Turn smooth approaches. Stobel next on d. W to africa. Fast growing and very versus tile as on the and the classic fun that night as much so farming. When mohammed im doing tell, ive learned about a zillow, he knew immediately. 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