Off supply of gas in the middle of winter with during the last 6 to 7 years. The European Union has been saying that russia is using gas as a weapon without giving any concrete examples. But what we know for sure that with the in the well continue to play his her, that the games. This will also be heard in moscow. Europe cannot be divided also coming up as a symbol of cooperation in the stars, the International Space station, with tensions over the war in ukraine high russia wants to pull out of the project and take a giant leap forward in its commitments in space. We will fulfill all of our obligations to our partners, but the decision has been made to leave the station after 2024. I think by that time we will, if were going to build a russian or retail station or starter. Welcome to the day, the European Union agreed a plan to reduce its reliance on Russian Energy at an emergency meeting in brussels. The u ministers struck a deal on rationing their natural gas is coming winter. It concerns at moscow might to further cut or even hold its deliveries the plans expected to see most e u. Member states cut at least 15 percent of their gas usage. If supplies fall to critical levels, the new deals would allow emergency transfers of gas to Member States who faced shortages. European unions been negotiating the agreement after moscow announced it would slash a gas deliveries through the north stream. One pipeline which runs under the baltic sea between russia and germany. Russia claims that reduction has been due to maintenance, work and sanctions. And that a complete stop. It is not on the card, but you repeat officials dont believe it and have started to prepare for the worst. Lets talk through this reverse your set. Buck, whos the director of European Energy policy at the energy transition, think tank at a gora Energy Vendor. Welcome to the w. Germany. Economy minister says he still demonstrates european solidarity. But there are a number of countries who have are opt house. So how, how much solidarity is there . A sick to political sickness cannot be overrated. Its very important that way before the call period starts, before it starts, the Member States have collectively agreed to reduce gas demands by 15 percent. So to be in a position to fill the storage of gas in europe to the level necessary to get through the winter, even if a russia would fully cut the gas in the re serial. So its very important to note it is putting into legislation principle of energy solidarity, so incentivized on message also to the kremlin that this game of divine being in unity doesnt work. Youre right. And number of exemptions, interrogations in this agreement, reads today. So some of these exams are very straightforward. Some of the countries in europe are not connected physically to the european gas grid. It wouldnt really help if they are cutting. For instance, malta, i think, got a gas consumption there and it wouldnt benefit other countries in greater need than those countries. And there are some other specific situations where countries are a ticket dependent on us and gas electricity production. Its, those are the both the countries to some extent, also france at this point in time. And there are also some possibilities to been document that sharing the 15 percent burden. Its not possible where i can specific instance im buying lots of good back, right. And were talking go out of a voluntary 15 percent cut by winter, which could be made mandatory if surprised. Reach what the use describe is crisis levels. What do you think crisis levels would look like in the real world . So for the audience, in a situation where there is a big uncertainty about the continuity of a gas supply from russia to europe, in some countries, a highly depend. So the need at this point in time, philip storage levers to a minimum, 80 percent before the winter. And so if the information from the countries in europe there will show that we are not coming to this 80 at least 80 percent storage filled levels before the winter, then be reaching a crisis situation. And then those demand reduction, metals, which are at the moment all it will be combined. Right . Were good. Lets hear from German Economy minister, robert har, back with his analysis of russias evil plan. If i can put it that way. And then well get your take ramos, if you really have seen, over the past weeks and months that russia strategy is to keep prices high in europe, it wants to push up the political price in order to divide europe and drive a wedge between it and ukraine. This decision today has sent a strong decisive message, which will also be heard in moscow that europe cannot be divided, lest is mr. Whiten. But his book, what do you think is that the russian cost benefit analysis of cutting gas supplies to europe at lost revenue against annoying the europeans . So very clearly, russia is playing the political game of seeking to divide europe in a unity against russia as a ball of aggression against the ukraine. This is the basic sector and it is using fossil gas supplies. Its turning on and off as political weapon, of course, by delivering less gas in our market based system prices are going up. So the relative damage from limit from supplying less gas to the russian state budget is relatively limited at this point in time. But of course, Going Forward as a result in europe, in a collective resolved to get independent, fully independent from russian hospital supplies over the next year. So there will be very significant economic damage to russia and Going Forward. All right. And you say that russia is attempting to divide europe. Bye bye, bye. Cutting these energy supplies. How does Cutting Energy supplies to say germany through north stream one or through the north re one pipeline . How would that divide europe it is of course, the north in time specifically is highly important for germany. If russia is selectively cutting some gossip close to some countries as it has done to poland, for instance, to both area, not to germany. And then those countries may be in need of solidarity and then exactly the situation that was the basis for discussion today amongst the Member States, but the original agreement. So if that is a country that cannot supply itself with a gas from russia or other sources, then solidarity will kick in. And there is an under certain conditions of mandatory showing off the gas amongst european countries. Because we do have a fairly well connected into on the European Market for gas. So that is the infrastructure to, to swing around. Just tell them you understood. And so, as russia loses out on Energy Markets in europe for its oil and gas, is it finding other markets . This was specifically for the gas, i think in the short term. This is becky excellence. Of course, russia is currently in corporation with china seeking to develop a pipe and project from russia. China. This will, according to what ive read, to take 3 years or 24 years. And it will only be a fraction of the author gas current is applied by pipeline to europe, and at the same time. And then the alternative lindsay to liquefied the National Natural gas and so then exported to International Markets of course is an option. But russia is at this point in time, at least very much dependent on technologies tour be able to get into market. That is not it is missing some, some techno owns to engage to protect ok. Thats clear. Thank you so much for joining us on it. And explaining that to to us mathias book from the energy transition, a think tank, i gotta Energy Vendor anything. Ah, are you crazy as Russian Forces of launch new miss al, strikes on coastal towns in the southern regions of a death and mc alive. A cave is released footage of what it says is the aftermath of the attack, which had several buildings along with port infrastructure. On the black sea coast, russia attacked a desert port of the weekend, casting down on fridays break through deal to resume grain exports to the world. And ukraines military says its used advanced us Weapon Systems to strike more than 50 Russian Military targets in recent weeks. It credits a multiple rocket, launching trucks known as high mars, with helping to destroy ammunition, depots, and bridges in russian hill territory. The crate has only a handful of these vehicles with more on the way, but theyve also become targets for russian attacks. This is high mars a high mobility artillery rocket system, the crown jewel in ukraines grubbing arsenal of us made weapons. And this is what it can do. The high mass can pull up in the middle of the road and far off multiple rockets very quickly. And that precision guided, so they can accurately target russian munitions combat centers and more. The high mars is basically a truck carrying a pot containing 6 missiles. It can be reloaded in 3 to 5 minutes. Most artillery is mounted on slower moving tread at vehicles or towed by trucks. But a high mass get away quickly once its fired off its payload. Or, as the military term goes, it can shoot and scoot. Its missiles have a range of 80 kilometers far more than most russian artillery. This means the russians must move their sensitive targets, like ammunition depots, further from the front lines. This makes it harder to supply its combat units. Analysts say this is the Game Changing part of high miles. Ukraine says its rockets have destroyed at least 30 logistics hubs and ammunition, depos. Russia says it has destroyed at least 2 of the high mas trucks, a claim. The u. S. Denies that ukraines ability to use them effectively will also mean hiding these precious systems. Well, keeping them supplied with ammunition is up to the west and see what sort of differences these weapons are making. With mark montgomery, hes a senior director of the center on cyber and technology innovation, the foundation for the defense of democracies. Welcome to the w. What do you think i have these high mas it change the game, or is it too soon to tell . Well, thank you for having me. And i do think the high mars and the guided missile larger rocket system, or gamblers, munitions, that fly, 50 miles or 80 kilometers that they lodge have made a significant difference. Because what theyre allowing, your training to do is hold russian logistics in commanding control at risk in a way that they couldnt with the 177 howitzers with traditional 155 millimeter rounds. So they had made a significant difference there affecting the russians. And thats why the russians are attempting to target them. Right. And its interesting that, that, that youve just said. And we said in the report this, this concentration on the stretching of russian logistics lines. Because we saw at the thought of this war, that was a problem for moscow. Thats right. Where they were trying to fight around have their own extended lines and they failed. So in this new campaign they have fighting broadly, generally from russia into the dom boss, they, they would appear to have shorter logistics and command control lines, which are easier for them to control and they can be more successful. But what with these munitions, those can even those compact lines of communication can be held at risk and create problems for the russian. So i really do think this is a game changer, is a tough term is significantly sways things in the ukraine. An advantage if they have enough routes, and more of these high mas are expected to be delivered, is that right . We Just Announced for more of the high mars vehicles and theres equivalent vehicles them to 70 is coming from european countries. So theyll have upwards of, you know, 2 dozen of these vehicles eventually. But again, as i said a moment ago, the key in the munitions we have only heard, theyre very discrete about the amount of munitions that are being given here. As opposed to the 1155 millimeter, where we say we deliver 411000 or something. We say things like hundreds. And so i am concerned about this. I want to make sure that were getting enough its, i think its critical that we get significant gimler munitions in the ukraine for use on the high mars vehicles that this russians an interesting point because i gained the early months of this, this war that we were seeing a government spokespeople taking to the media, saying were going to be delivering of this many of this sort of weapon and this many of a sort of weapon and one at the time you couldnt help looking at that and thinking well, should you really be telling the world, what about your plans . So i think, you know, when theyre in broad numbers like 59000000, you know, rifle rounds or 411000 or actually around youre probably ok. I mean, you know, creating a unique thing to attack in the very small numbers like say the ne, sams, the National Error serves their missile systems, or the harpoon missiles are coming from denmark. And then eventually from united states, probably want to be very cautious about the numbers you tell. I think in the high mars, because its successful, were comfortable in the numbers. I think the rounds, if you has more to do with, we know that these are troubling to president and his Leadership Group because you know, they can almost reach and to russia. And thats that hope of bridge the ukrainians dont cross with this Weapon System. Take full advantage of it, to destroy the russian occupiers and the boss. Ok, im, id like to read you a tweet from lithuania, so foreign minister Gabriella Lance bag guess. And he treated a couple of days ago. He said the agreement to unblock a desa would have been impossible without. Hi, mom, its not very clear that the war will end. If we ukraine faster. I wonder mom montgomery did you cry . Do you think you cry . Bombed russia. Back to the negotiating table. Seems quite like a big claim that i, you know, im not sure if you can, you can add that 22 together and get 5, right . I mean, thats a, thats a tough. Thats a tough like theres what i would say is the hi mars. Im the gamblers rounds, the, the counter battery fire radars. It allows to hit the artillery, the harpoon missiles, all these things are leveling the Playing Field for the ukrainians. So that their own resilience, which is the real backbone of this defense, can, can evidence itself to the rush of leadership. So i dont think any single Weapon System doesnt, and im not sure what the mathematics were in present boots, ed forwarding odessa and clearly that mathematics reversed and he closed it open. It closed it over the last few days with his attacks missile attacks on the desk support. So i wouldnt give a tote, i dont 100 percent. Sure to lose the waiting for minister can can be validated on that. All right, thats all very clear. Thank you. So much for listening to elucidating that and spending that the time with us montgomery from the foundation for the fence of democracy. Thank you. Thank you. Ah. I dont need to tell you anything about the rocket in space industry. But what about man Space Exploration . Tell me what our ideas for the near future are you doing . Cuz like your last, you know, we work with in for framework of International Cooperation. On the International Space station. We will fill all of our obligations to our partners. But the decision has been made to leave the station after 2024. I think by that time we will begin to build a russian or little station. Also. So present puritan and schafer 1st and space agency, confirming rushes exit from the International Space station. Or moscow announced early this year, it was pulling out of the project and has now provided a time table. Im intentions with the west over the conflict in ukraine, and russia says it wants to quickly, i assess after 2024 and focus on building its own orbital station. It would bring an end to decades of corporation in space with the west. We have left off all engine building up through an intense rivalry near the days of the space race, moscow and washington. I came to Work Together in space, exploration, even at the high for the cold war. One of their 1st joint projects was the creation of the International Space station. I assess consists of 2 sections, one run by russia and the other by the u. S. And other western countries. And they agreed it would always have at least one american, one russian on board. Keep both sides of the outpost running. I assess, has been continuously staffed for more than 20 years. Or chris . Well, she is a professor of space engineering at the International Space university in strasburg. Hes also a Vice President of the International Astronomical astro nautical federation. Excuse me, and welcome to d w that so we know that the i assessor had been scheduled to operate until 2030 has rushes premature exit and put that plan in danger. Its difficult to tell the mileage, certainly if they do that by 2024 at the moment its unclear how the station could continue to operate. And as you, as you said earlier, theres a sort of mutual dependency built into it. And, you know, the russians depend on the american and european section for power, and we depend on the russian. So the, so we boost and some of the attitude control and you can divorce those easily. So it would require, you know, the west in particular america to come up with alternative systems for carrying out those those functions. So last thing i heard the nasa was saying that they hadnt had anything official from ross cause most of the Russian Space agency yet. So some commentators are saying maybe this is yet another kind of negotiating position. So i think i think the coming days well, well get to know a bit more about that. I was interesting about the sort of process to my next point because you