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DW The Heart Of Brazil August 7, 2022

Thirst starts august 10th on d. W. Lou. Mm hm. Whose mash go me glue. Oh oh yo. A with i b ah, i b o y it means forest with the forest. A sacred place where the guardian of the forest and the spirit slip man, my products again. But this is where we teach our children to find a forest gives us fruits like they are cyber. He and the packee, brutal and meet from wild animals like monkeys. Not broad as the forest gives us everything we need is thankful to put in a like its our livelihood and its the best school. Oh, my scholar with chow. I cant wait jewish up. Um yeah, he meant for you it just the i u e g o i d e got it. Now i did put a blue eco my, they did. Oh, how i did it last time we give them the keys, we regard the forest as our territory. Egypt po, 80 of the entire area is our territory illness. So its our forest and we look out for it. I get you like we done with a key a key with a b a will. Hi. Hows it going . Good. Are you asked about land prices in barra . Yes, i have a Construction Company and i would like to list and make some money. I wanted to know what lender cost a lot is like a how much in brazil only Began Development in the amazon around 40 years ago by say, boy, i ah with lovely busy m in alis margin of salvation. I was funny with lizzie, with our susie, these are there, the services are the place we of us already. All of the news, a lot of you, most of the driving a little is internet. Ah, this professor muscle, him in the process started under the military regime of the regions that belong to Indigenous Peoples, local populations. All the federal state were designated as on used by these were gradually developed by the central government, which encouraged people to move there and began issuing Land Ownership titles on the gal that was done through a legal process. But theres also a process called relies jamarcus thought of the illegal appropriation of large areas of rain forest, so that the land can then be sold to finance to signal their claim to an area of forest land grabbers usually just clear it of trees. And then over the years, they try to legalize the acquisition so they can make a profit off of it here. But the entire land grab process is actually initiated outside the Amazon Region by investors who Work Together with lawyers. Its a form of organized crime. Ology cleaning this until then is and hello, i lost you. I am in the car. Where are you . With a box, ill follow up on a laundry. Nancy. I told you land prices are going out and their farm is worth over 10000000. 00 out with. I warn you by yourself some land and youll get rid that they dont live there. Listen to me this time. Me to caesar. I clearing the land, they claimed their basically signaling who it belonged to toys. Gradually, whoever claimed the land tries to legitimize their ownership, whether they can sell it later. For a profit is also the land grab. It takes control of public land, all the calls that timber sets of capital ranch or giving it a veneer of legality. And he sells the land 5 or 10 years later in the process must be stopped around will continue to lose on public land. Large areas of unprotected rain forest, 1000000 square kilometers. The rain cars is on designated public land. Why its not listed under conservation or indigenous land. So thats, thats what the land grab is, go off to law for the flight as long as these huge areas. The rain forest is so easy to claim a yellow game for land grubbers. Thats what is the way 163 connected by and sundry him. And i hear that a saving the road many years ago, but only up to the border region of martha grocer and my little girl by the road said like that until around 2004. Why . My son in school, but they gradually started paving lower roads. Again, it was up to this time because of the Stimulus Program between 9 nova. So we know its just 28 kilometers of good roads thats being paid now to i much love a few roads lead off highway 163 to the farms to 5. Yeah, some areas are already developed and i close to the road. I further away, i just know that he had that in my price is very valuable to put it in with just one more kilometer a tractor tracks up covered hours from yesterday. You know what you wanted. So they were here after lc because he thought he probably went that way with i got into while youre watching the area now. So the illegal loggers dont come back with them. You know, the environmental crime is very common around the cities of novel progressive castillo to sonia and take to about environmental agency. Bama has its headquarters mm. With that i cant even think that theyre looking for a station is carried out by organized crime here. You can tell by the way its carried out today, the bus is off specialized in land grabbing my with the main catalyst for the for station is land speculation with you and you still get anything at the old. Are they not anymore . Right . Why no, no, actually i last frontier in the northeast to toll underway in mcgraw. So they are planting more soil where you can forget or the frontier runs through there and through. Im a part of it is 4000 kilometers in omaha, and here is the 2 and a half 1000 importantly seeing the fame wintercrest owned you dont remember. So we often come across fake names and fake documents when we carry out inspection that business is often done by middleman these my, we have to stay on the back of the criminals are always finding you trade that always using loopholes that make it harder to pin them down with account unless no man thought what out in this document i own a declares which areas have been cleared my knees and which areas are under permanent protection before my information is valuable, has an 8 oclock from one place where they wrote that to a certain percentage of the area has been cleared up expedia. That corresponds to this area here, this side of the but on the map and from the and we can see all of it is still covered by forest. And then the owner claimed his land was cleared a year ago so that he can use it for other purposes like it will then hell chopped down all the trees. By the time the Environment Agency gets there on the hill insist it was logged in long time ago with blue. Ready south side as well. We are on the way to castillo to san use, a district of altamira, billable. As we flew over the region, we discovered several illegal sawmills with a lot of logs, but the sawmills had already been shut down that without a sound good bye. Ah. The soonest trying to subvert our inspections. The bottom line is that the entire community lives off this environmental crime. That is all reality. Theres not enough governmental oversight, rosie blue moon. Im at the entrance month, larry. If you send them away or anyone who is still there, were taking them about that issue that us they were taking the logs to the forest. Thats obvious. Im with is he still here . Oh, he was over there, itll be gone. By now oh, tell me how this works. I know is there another saw mill over there . No, no. This all belongs together. Come on. Its like the timber stocks were documented here by the commissioner of the boy meant this a ma did i say that 70 meters december 16th is in 2015. Easy. So thats an old document fight. Old wood can be seen, but most of the series knew. We follow the gate only who owns this wood . I dont know if i like edge game do so of course you do. Dont catch your farm. Nope. Are too boil on it. Its not just mine. There are several entrances and other people come here to my lawyer today for yourself. Its not just my farm is also me ask the charcoal guy there. I just let him in a book right. Double called carbajal vice. Yes, because he ever permits this is our and i know the charcoal isnt on my fine, really. Im on. Well, thats not my farm. The charcoal and the wood arent yours on the billboard gurgling. Its not on my farm and the guy, ronald dynamo, but thats your waste. I build it. My mil hasnt been in operation for 2 years now. Thats not true. Do you see wood shavings . Any work at this wood . If youre so smart, look and see if there are any wood shavings. We saw it from the air youve your to be no way my logs have been here for over 2 years. Not that look at your satellite pictures from 2 years ago. Come down me, tell him that i go on to the bay. Im all right. Calm down and is as so carrying out an inspection. And remember your business window to behave like one thing for me. But as were not having a punch up on the st. Louis that were inspecting your company healthcare. So please again, im fiscal as i saw that, but it is it though, so on. Come on. I mean to come down, why should i go long . Let me com, head down. Why should i take responsibility for logs that arent mine . Cuz its your little mill. You must know who comes and goes here i use no. Lets start over as adam and here i know god little fella. This is a ha, its my turn to speak. Eric, were going to inspect your company from your attitude, isnt doing you any favors. Sounds like that, that in, oh, we hear all day. So keep your cool good year. Well inspect your company now, and you have all day to tell us who comes in here, but though, and who doesnt, tore money should really do that whole month. And that okay, why saw her . That is, if i doesnt open as a local missile, weve been monitoring you for at least a month. If we have Ariel Schultz with us, we know whos been coming and going all that give us the can just, which is a seasonal position. Now were going to check things out to my, the more you corporate, the better you can defend yourself to calm down. So many other things like a one on one as i thought. Lets start and get this over with that. Okay, lets go with those as well. Hi, 6, across these are different sizes. What floor at 55. 00, and there was a there that you brush f 150. 00. Everything is dodgy here in your documents. Missing charcoal. Everywhere on the logs back, there are his noted all down to the youll get 3 or 4 citations, or do you mean those logs there in the forest . Yes, that is the probably the best time to buy land for soy plantation. The clocks ticking near the highway land cost close housing, rice, 2 and a half picked. If thats all still cattle farms with half to land, right . You can easily turn it into plantations. My a little further up is the Border Community to box the thing on the top. I was glad you got the view to buy and many people buy are across from one another. Building, loading, terminals, soy, theyre squat. So they should be in exactly the 1st stop is the porter sometime in mac, up are they are it gets shipped to asia and europe by the office that im also that the modem is the, you know, some of those days them. This is the next part of the cost of days on the next 10 years will be this, i say for the Amazon Region, our plan, our agenda has 3 phases that up 5, you know, the 1st phase is ensuring no more rain forest is last thing. We must protect the remaining rain far as if its not them it and reduce the pay 50. 00 for a station in the next 10 years, ideally to 0 on that. But in the 2nd phase, we need to establish the foundations for success and improve economic and social condition. Life might have, the initial goals will take 10 years. But the 3rd phase even longer. This is what we want. The amazon re jen to serve as a yard state for the rest of brazils i air, which in a sense is already a benchmark. But the rest of the world isnt that theres the world that will entail finding solutions to economic and social issues. Economy a project that will easily take 20 years at mozilla. I filled out. We 1st have to solve the problem of deforestation because thats a cancer that threatens everything. Look also to the best. Um, are we on the right path homes, but our cameras or can we solve the problem . If any is here, we wont be Amazon Region to be an example of sustainable development, where social economic and environmental aspects are all given equal weight that, that will take long Term Investment wise will. It will take around 20 years to see a full return on that investment. So as and well need about 5 years to reduce or start deforestation as algebra. And that will be followed by a period of consolidation which will lay the groundwork. The new initiatives is going for the eval summers of things amazon of i assume the spot also moves early in the next few years will invest between 25 to 40000000000 euros into the Amazon Region. The hydro power plants, new roads, power lines and mining projects. Its an unprecedented investment in this region mental no, thank parallel and i started amazon. I shake out. This is good as fish missed by the have t as in tom, one the out if those investments dont address local conditions or social and environmental factors, they could back fire or it could cause land prices to skyrocket. Hill, which would attract more land grabbers and lead to more clear cutting of public grain forest is not on the internet as well as the food ah, what are you saying we want to draw the boundaries ourselves for over 20 years. Weve been fighting for the demarcation of our lack of inc and anthropological study was carried out. So that the phone i, the brazilian nancy founded to protect Indigenous Culture and people could register the boundary r m i e l. A report is still in the possession of the for nie president , the but it is the to the from i was ms. Uprise and she for you to xena. So a few months ago we went to brazil. Yeah. To find the get it signed off by the phone i. We presented the report and 2013 and it still hasnt been signed today. Im crossing im, i have the report, its on my desk. We discussed it, but in our final consultations, a series of Unanswered Questions relating to this region. You came up with a few. That meant we needed to consult some other people. And i, you know, theres a draft project for a hydro power plant. Here is a delay. It includes a dam to produce power. Ha ha. If it is dam is very close to your area. Yeah. And thats why we havent signed anything yet. Please. You know, were not taking anyone elses property. Were just defending. Whats ours going . I have a responsibility to you, youre totally in the right. But i believe and want to because if i stopped believing, i wouldnt be sitting here. As a representative of who now you have to defend our interests law, its our job to represent your interest. My thing, but parts of the government prioritize the construction of hydro power plant, organ or not wind power that produces energy to a damn, destroys everything. Then whats left mining with that is roy yet he thought via the peninsula. There are so many projects for our region to cooper and that really worries us. Well, yet you more little cool. People dont want to lose the rain forest, the fish or the trees. Yes, as i live, government needs to know we wont just give in my say, fuss will been able to so i dont get the last thing in my view building more hydro power plants like the ones we already have in the Amazon Region in the mit is not the right approach. See hydro power plants last big mining project or not the solution at the what . No, that ah no, i do the deck. Yes. The secret ask us, of course, these hydro power plants are an important source of energy for the countries, developments or intimate wanted any dam in the Amazon Region brings with it a lot of changes when it affects habitats are both in the water and on land. Korea did their faith that made no secret. Rochelle and it affects the relationship between water and people. The bond are people have to the water yalu. Nazarene, there was a good us, pamela lackey. The reservoirs in the southeast, a tortoise. A painful lesson will know. See that as we look ahead to developing the Amazon Region, we need to take the needs of local people into account, such as for us as well as the energy needs of the rest of the country. Amazon. Yeah, we cant focus on protecting a specific section of riverside. We have to make sure the river as a whole is preserved to use my z for zebra. The only way we can insure a sustainable process of development for future generations. And the Amazon Regional montessori i even though in process with what did we are tony goes up. Its like said that it hasnt quite astonishing 40 years into these make projects, and we havent changed our approach. Typically, they leave us with intractable problems. And yet we used to worry an outsider. We come and steal our wealthy location to day. Some monster comes and turns our lives upside down. Isnt all that i so then walter, the news argued that you masa, he sobbed wookey gave proof of glancing l middle. The lizard walked orders. Its alarming how many dams are planned for the Amazon Region, almost there in 92 dams in the pipeline to war. Thats huge, right . And it will have an impact on the wida amazon reach out those amazon part leaders are rebelling. The 1st priority is drawing the boundaries ah, ah, did America Sancho visit it after the meeting . We decided to draw our own territorial boundaries. After informing the food i present apply the thought. But if in the moon, i suppose to represent Indigenous Peoples is not the government the most basic, but we had the sense they were under a lot of pressure. You still at one . So we decided to take action law. Nice museum out there. My phone is more stuff were showing the government that it i tuba is home to the culture of the moon, the roku people who it and then i from im guessing 9 though most a phone i didnt want to sign up. So we decided to take things into our own hands if we see me so that the white people know where our territory is. Mythology, to use, if we got help from aldo top, azure shockey fuzzy sea is south of them. I cassandra ah, ah ah ah, so finally, if the government signed the report there recognizing the claim of Indigenous People to the land, its our territory and were drawing the boundaries in the lawful way. Let gown. Ah ah for yeah, its not about it. When the invaders came to brazil, they used to shoot the Indigenous People money for today. The government is trying to use the mega projects to destroy the Indigenous People. The people of the rivers, the members of the ketone Bola Community who arent respected either of 80 projects because you had to get comma co hell. These projects are destroying the river, which we depend on budget projects of destroying the rain

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