Versatile, its just an attack plane, its not capable of carrying amram missiles and doing any aerial combat, yes, it doesnt have a radar station, that is, its not even capable of detecting an enemy plane at a Long Distance to escape in time, its not fast, and so if we get these planes, they will be loss of both our resources, efforts, money, because we will still have to operate them, yes, and the flight crew, that is, those who write about the fact that we need such planes, well, let them read a little, read something about this plane and about the conditions of its use, well, i will say one phrase that the americans believed that they had about 500 such aircraft there during the cold war, and they believed that they would be enough for two weeks of hostilities. Mr. Valery, thank you very much for these explanations about both the a10 and the f16. 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Today will affect our tomorrow, watch the saturday politics club, every saturday on espresso. We continue our war and weapons program. And now we will talk about our unmanned aviation complexes used by the Defense Security forces, and we will be joined by the chairman of the board of the new energy of ukraine alliance, the commander of the white Eagle Special unit of strike drones, valery borovyk. Mr. Valery, i congratulate you, glad to see and hear. Greetings, greetings. I would like to start with the fact that your company has developed and provides the use of various Unmanned Systems, including fpv drones. Osa or under the osa brand, kamikaze attack drones, repulse there, kyivska rus, which models of your drones are currently most actively used on the battlefield and what is the greatest demand from our military . There is a demand for longrange drones, such as strike, its 40 km, 30 km, that is, uh, those that hit targets. Means already along the line of contact, which rebov obstacles are passed, which can be reached either by gps coordinates, if there is such a possibility, or by operators themselves who can reach the target, we also actively cooperate with Services Specialized in the use of the wasp drone, but i cannot say anything here. Because this is from. Closed information, now we are focusing precisely on strike drones and they will already be, if, well , the main brand that will be supplied to the front now is the order for your systems, what about this, who is your Main Customer now , or allows the volume of current orders to ensure the planned loading of your production, at all. Does not allow such a situation not only for me, not only for us, so we closed a contract with the National Guard, now our guys are working with them on the Application Technology in the zaporizhzhia area, there we help them work more professionally on the front line, and we periodically go there , so and, but for example, this is where we are finishing production now. 500 drones, 10 bpaks, actually unmanned ones, at their own expense complexes, and so far there is no contract, i met with highranking officials, spoke with the heads of uav departments, someone says that there is no funding now for contracting, that is, no prospects for longterm contracting, it is clear, this month we. Stop production and will wait next steps, because every day is the cost of salary, these people are hanging not under armor, that is, partly we have booked someone, partly people are just afraid, because tomorrow they can be taken away not based on their qualifications, but because of what is needed in fact, people are really needed on the front line, but we are worried about qualifications. For qualifications, engineers, assemblers, electronics engineers, and therefore, we do not see prospects in this direction for the coming months, we are now focused very much on the supply of other types of weapons, we are working on air defense, well, by the way, the First Contact was made, it was me i think this is serious information, it became the First Official supplier agent of deal defense, it is a Large Company that. German, which supplies iris systems, large radars there and so on, that is, we became the first we have officially passed compliance, we will now work with other large companies, german, french, here, and here is the drone production of drones, this is the story as i told it, well, this story is somewhat strange, because the president also talks about longterm contracts that it seems that our Enterprises Need your. Enterprise since the 14th year has been engaged in the development of unmanned strike systems for various purposes, there is a practice of using them, there are military groups that use your systems, and as i understand it, there is no adequate response from the ministry of defense, the ministry of Digital Intelligence of the state intelligence service, that is, there is no order at all on your side, neither for the wasp, nor for the repulse, nor for kyiv rus, so it turns out, well, look, there are a lot of wasps, that is, only the special services with which. We work quite closely, we have work going on for their tasks, but this is separate work outside of the state special forces and the ministry of defense, that is, the osu osu, which is such a military analogue of the mavik, so only now do they realize that these drones, which are fpv, about which i spoke, yes, they fulfill their mission, but you cant spend the budget 80 of the budget only on fpv drones which. Well, they dont work under the reb, what great losses they have, thats why longrange bombers need to be financed, but not necessarily kamikazes, not necessarily those with eight. We also have kyivska rus for 800, but this line , a line of 40, 30, 40, 50, 60 km, it is not contracted by the ministry of defense to date, it is not contracted by the general staff, the general staff makes applications, and so far funds, as of yesterday, i have information on contracting, they said that there is no for for this kind of kind of drone, well it is also strange to me, but the situation is such that there are many producers who are not contracted, you can do a survey of the market and ask who has what capacities, how much they are contracted by these applications and so that you can really plan your life, the life of his company for the near future, this is not the case now, maybe someone is fully contracted, i have not seen such people yet, well, yesterday from. It was a statement by komyshyn, who said that, relatively speaking, we are loaded there with 2 billion, we can produce products there for 20 billion, if i am not mistaken there, and we need to look for foreign money, so that the order is made from our enterprises for foreign money, and maybe then there is another version, it can probably still reduce the number of enterprises that are manufactured, but load them with work adequately in order to have, well, guaranteed quality and. Well, the number of products, because it seems that you are not the only company that does not have a contract, in particular there athlon avia, also a leading company, says, i do not have volumes for the next year, and it is actually in two months the same goes in a situation where he will not have orders for the prospect, and he is looking for variations, how to get out of this story, well, look, then there was no need to tell everyone that everyone who has opportunities is powerful. And nato codes received permission to operate, all will be contracted, these were statements for more than one minister, not only fedorov there, not only, not only there the minister of defense, not only the chief of the general staff, everyone said , including the president , said that all who pass and can be supplied, all will be contracted, these words passed everywhere, we were told at all meetings and so on, but it is not so. That is, everything turned out in such a way that there is a skew in such cheap drones that burn en masse on the front line, and hightech things in which funds are invested, minds are invested, intellectual potential, time, finances and so on are invested there, they, they it turns out that it is in a secondary place, and we have such and such an opinion. That its probably easier there, its somehow easier to carry out some, lets say, incorrect procedures, so what this drone was understood, it was assembled from a chinese kit, everything went quickly, everything is clear and so on, and where there is a technological process, there is a serious investment, engineering, where Development Needs to be constantly invested in r d, in and there already it is more difficult, and that is why. It is less financed, and it is really needed on the front line, and we are not fighting only in a 10 km zone, we need to neutralize those means of impression that the enemy has at 3040, 60 km means of suppression, headquarters, decisionmaking centers, and so on, and that you need to develop, yes, maybe at the first stage it doesnt work, you dont get these impressions, but then you change. Frequencies, you, you work on it, this is a constant investment of your resource, your own, the resource of your people, a risk, because we, we leave in the collision zone, risk the equipment that is not contracted, which we ourselves take at our own expense, charge volunteer funds and we invest in order to go abroad and improve our domestic equipment, so as not to buy it in. The road abroad and these things need to be developed, this is what we constantly say with from the very beginning of this largescale invasion, and in the 14th year, we are saying this, but a stage has come, when there are Simple Solutions to make there enterprises that quickly produce fpv, so even some deputies are already saying, oh, i have to to do, that there is a lot of money, it is easy to do to collect. To collect students here or there in the kitchen and so on, that is, everyone saw that there is, that there is easy money there, bought a complete set, yes, it comes later and so on, but. I did everything and it was gone, it is unprotected from rebu, it, it 10 flies to the target, yes, well, i am sitting here the first person who showed the fpv drone to the diligent commanderinchief, i first showed him, he saw it for the first time at the training ground, when the americans tested theirs, we showed our impressions then at the training grounds, we brought this story to the armed forces, but it. Got lost in ftv , then got lost in other developments that need to be invested in no less than cheap drones. It is necessary to make serious investments and investments and contract those companies that do something more than simple fpv drones. And this is not happening now, and 80 of the budget, i repeat, goes to such cheap drones. And you talk to the guys on the front line. What means are needed now, not only for 1015 km, but also further, and they, they are not purchased, they, they are not invested in , this is such, such a story, and it is not only me that is so sad, panishera, ask in punisher, we recently talked there with, relatively speaking, the ideological inspiration of punisher, max musyka, who worked there for a little while with the state, traveled and so on, the same situation in punisher. Same situation there you see, you say that in athlon, in artem, yes, that means in yunik, the same situation , aerial reconnaissance, i dont know, maybe it has changed there , we talked a month ago, but here it is, this is a story that is distorted and it should not continue to live like this, they should go back and do hightech things , because this is a prospect, this is the future, unfortunately, well, then i will ask about e, on the one hand, about the new official, about the head of a new type of unmanned forces, does he understand these risks, on the one hand, have you met with him, and on the other hand, actually it turns out that this procurement system based on the creation of these Government Procurement agencies, which are based only on cost indicators, then de facto this system actually goes against the things you say that when purchasing cheap samples, we will never have money for such things that will be resistant to debt, more reliable, more complex, but at the same time more expensive, so it turns out, well, its a little bit wrong here, no, a little bit wrong, the Procurement Agency headed by marina bezruka, its actually like a bank, a military officer who is given orders by the general staff, what to purchase and where to purchase, and so. She actually fulfills the orders, the needs given by the general staff, so it cannot be said that they are not in the right system, the question is, that we dont understand who in the general staff makes the final decision, at least until today we didnt understand it, so because the preliminary orders that were, i can already say, orders came where 70 are no no. Understandable companies, and some of those drones that are inserted into the half for the purchase, were inserted, we didnt even have certification, you can imagine, that is, we went through 5 months of certification, tests on the front line, on training grounds, and so on, we reached contracting, we were not contracted, but at the same time, companies that did not have certification, but at the same time , their orders were given. To be financed, that is, some companies are not at all unclear on the market, there were, there were such questions, i dont know how it will be now, and this is the first, second, in fact, under the previous leadership of the state special communications, they took on all that, well, one in short, indicators of cheapness and not a comparison of technical characteristics was a traditional method, that is, there was a head of. Management, who no longer exists, who was engaged in this, who could afford to make a new assessment of military, military equipment there, without having the qualifications for this, after how the National Guard or other units applied and said, i need these drones, no, they were told, yes, wed better buy them, who are you to say, what do the military need when you are sitting in the cabinet , that is . Such things, they were like will be now, look, now the latest information is that funds, funds have not been allocated for procurement, now a decision will be made which drones to purchase, well, lets see. How, how, how transparent it will be, how adequate it is, and how at least equivalently those capacities will be loaded, those capacities will be loaded that are in the companies that were preparing for serious things of the release of serious evenings, and now they have, if there is no contract, dissolve their, their teams and close production and freeze it all, and then, to defrost all this, it takes two to three. Months, and also the delivery of the complete set in parallel, it also takes two to three to four months, depending on which set of sets, in what volume you will make, we we are not deviating from our strategy, we are building an enterprise for the production of motors, which means that it is also a difficult thing, we do not have normal motors, no one produces them, we are going to analyze six of these chinese enterprises, determine. Two in the end, one was chosen lies from the chinese side passed through such a story we will do everything, we will do it, they started to purchase a serious line for the production of motors, but if this is the case for contracting by the state, it is not clear who will need these motors in the future, and so far we have, well, we do not see all those statements, which. They talk about putting a million drones out there, yes, they can be put out very easily by fpv , these light drones, but they do not solve the fundamental problem on the front, you need heavy drones, you need heavy kamikazes, 3, 4, 5, 6 kg, in parallel with long shots, yes, and these things that are there from a kilogram to two to three at a short distance, they are doing some tactical things of their own. But they do not close these problems at the front, so this is the story that must change, must change, and the words that were said that we will contract all the teams that have passed all the tests, field tests, combat tests, and which are possibility, capacity and means to issue, this must be fulfilled, these words and promises from the state must be fulfilled, and. The state simply believes, then it will not be possible, sir valery, we will probably put a full stop here, because there really is nothing to add to your words, these are extremely important words related to the fact that the state, officials must fulfill their promises made to the enterprises of the defenseindustrial complex, when we hear good , loud statements regarding the production, promotion and so on, and on the other hand we have. Sometimes we see a different reality, when an enterprise that has been engaged in the creation of strike complexes, aviation compl