Million people, gives them a tax credit, it gives greater choice. In one of the issues i have with a lot of the models is they are static. They talk about this prong only. I think when you look at the subsidy and the cost of a current plan right now without looking at prong two and three and how those will additionally drive down costs, that its not a fair analysis where the plans going, but theres no question that right now there is you know, i detailed it to jim. We have a system that mandates that people buy Health Insurance under penalty of law, and its not working, and so the question is what can we do instead and what can we replace that with that gives people greater choice and lower costs. Of course people are going to choose in a free society to not purchase something. We live in a country of 320 Million People. You cant force a product or good down a free society. If you give a quality product that serves their needs that they have at a time at a price they can afford, there is a greater likelihood on a greater economic model that suggests that will work. Its frankly economics 101 and basic common sense that dictat the more competition in the system the greater likelihood of more and more americans Getting Health Care is something that is easy. John . Reporter thanks a lot, sean. Want to ask you about the American Health care act. I want to see if you have an answer to a question that i asked yesterday, that is one that you did not know the answer to, whether or not there were repercussions for violations at the fiveyear lobby ban. Im sorry, i do owe you an explanation, i will check and get back to you. Reporter you used language similar to language that House Speaker paul ryan used about why republicans should support this legislation. You talked about this binary choice, its either this particular legislation or its obamacare. Right. Reporter you have republicans in control of the house and the senate, you have President Trump in the white house why. Do they have to go on this particular bill, why cant they negotiate for the Freedom Caucus may think is a better piece of investigation in. To get back to a question that major asked. At the end of the day, whatever it is, has to get to at least 218 votes. You want the greatest number of votes as possible, but you need to get 218 and in the case of the senate under reconciliation, only 50 votes. Thats your floor. And i think that what you need to do is to get enough members coalescing around key principles to get to you that floor. You can go as high as 435 in terms of the ceiling. Im not sure well hit that. The floor is going to coalesce the greatest numbers of Members Around a bill that gets to you 218. Well continue to work with them, provide ideas and input and regardless what caucus or faction you are part of. If you have an idea that can enhance this bill and make it more patientcentric, were all for it. Thats a process, and i think speaker ryan has been talking about this since 2010. A lot of ideas, a lot of debate and issues put forward into how to craft this. So this has been something in the works for 7 years in terms of getting members, at least in the republican conference, to coalesce around principles and ideas and solutions to make this a more patientcentric thing. Francesca . Reporter two quick clarifications and one other thing. Sounded like you were asking paul ryan about phases two and three, phase two would be regulatory members that the president and secretary price would be in charge of. When can we expect to see a list of those from the white house . I will ask secretary price. He mentioned it to talk about the score that his office will be working on that. Id be glad to see if we have a timeline on that and follow up with you on that. Reporter also it sounded like the white house is confident you will get to 60 votes on those things and the measures that the conservatives are asking for. Is the white house confident about the 60 votes . Yes. Reporter and final thing is also on health care as well. Yesterday secretary price said that he wasnt saying to disregard the cbo report completely, but that sounds like that is what the administration is urging and what youre urging from the podium, you said that the cbo is consistently wrong and question the credibility. No, no, no, just to be clear. Cbo is a budget office. They look at impacts on the federal budget. That is why they were created and thats what they do, and i think to look at them in terms of budget numbers is one thing, thats the job. On thespect ofudget impact, it talks about how well we currently see a 25 increase in premiums this year under obamacare and the individual market. It markedly shows under the current American Health care act we have 10 decline in premium. Where i think the cbo has gone the it wrong and not a question of what we characterize it, its a fact. The cbo when it tried to project people and coverage was over 50 wrong the last time, and the point were trying to make is when you look at their record and you say the last time they did this they were off by more than 50 . They projected 24 Million People would be covered by obamacare and the exchanges in 2016. In fact, that number was initially 10. 4 and its dropping. So the question that you have to ask yourself is if you are using that as a gauge to determine your vote, you need to question whether or not they do counting people like they do counting numbers. On the budget thing, thats what their wheel house is for, they look at budgetary impact on things. When they have come to counting people, theyve been wrong and vastly so. Its important for people to understand the context which the numbers are given to you. Thats something they want to make sure. Jordan . Reporter sean, i asked yesterday about the president s response to tim kaine. Do you have anything on that . I think the president believes that this is not a point of view that he shares. He believes hes the president for all americans, and so ill leave it at that. Jim. Reporter a report surfaced friday that the president will support primary challengers to conservative lawmakers who dont support the final version of the American Health care act. Can you confirm that report, and if its true, you can offer insight into what the president is looking for in congressional candidates in 2018. Im not going to i dont have anything for you on that. Veronica . Reporter sean, its ronnica. Fix it now and get it done. Does the president believe he was surveilled through microwaves and television . I will just say the president has tweeted about this, hes clear there was surveillance conducted during the 2016 election, and wait for the conclusion of that. There is sound evidence that the microwave is not a sound way of surveilling someone, that was cleaned up, it was made in jest. Put that to rest. Reporter second question, you said the cob should be abolished, you had harsh words, do you think the cob should be abolished . Cbo, i got it wrong with you, now cbo was established in the budget act of 1974, its up to the house and the senate to decide whether or not they want to go through. This they have omb, we have cbo, im not going to get into the business of who should keep the house. Reporter i want to clarify, you can stand here today and say that the president will keep his promise of insurance for everybody . I think the president s goal is to make insurance available to everybody, yes, thats what he intends to do. That is the goal of this is to make sure every american has the choice and a plan they can afford and have the choice to buy. Thats not what they have now. Reporter sean, thank you very much, what is the white houses view on reports that bloomberg that Jared Kushners family spent half a billion dollars from a real estate deal which is linked to the Chinese Government or has been linked to the Chinese Government in the past . Id refer you to the Kushner Companies to talk about that entity. Jared went to extraordinary lengths and provide documentation on this. Though hes not taking a salary here, he went to extraordinary lengths to make sure he deconflicted himself and worked through the office of government ethics. Reporter is jared working on preparations for xi jinpings visit to maralago . Im sure hes involved in a lot of stuff. I dont know whos specifically involved in the visit. Reporter you said the president still stands by making sure insurance can be afforded by everyone. What is your specific response to the cbos estimate someone 60 years old making 26,000. Under current law, they would shell out 1700 in a premium but under the change, the premium would go from 1700 to 14,600. Whats the message to a person who faces that prospect . I will go to the fact that i dont think the analysis takes into consideration the choice they have. Part of the problem now, steve is that a 54yearold doesnt need certain things. They dont need maternity care, they dont need medical services that are provided to them by the government product that is forced down them right now. Number one, you have a product that is served up to older americans, middleaged americans or younger americans that doesnt fit where theyre in life and the services they need, and so number one, having more choice and the ability to tailor a plan towards the needs that an individual has depending on stage of life, whether its an individual or family, number one. Number two, that they dont have competition, so when you combine both of those things together, that number goes way down. And the third is that they can have whatever subsidy they want now, but on the exchange in many cases they get a subsidy that has a high deductible so they have a card but not care. That is not an apples to apples way to examine the current plan. Thats where this all comes down to. Reporter is the message wait until phase two and three come in and have Something Better . Its not just wait. You have to looked at total istwhat were doing to understand what were planning. A 54yearold doesnt have choice, buying a plan they dont want or need for the most part and as a subsidy not giving them the ability to go see the doctors that they need to because their deductible is off the chart. Thats one thing thats missing in discussions. You can have a premium per month but if your deductible is skyrocketing, then, again, you might be able to get an appointment but not getting care, sharon . Reporter cheryl, thanks. Im not good at this side. Go this side. Reporter the report is coming out thursday, how detailed is that going to be, agency levels . What programs are going to be eliminateed . Ill let director mulvaney, theyll start background briefings for you all. Theyll walk through different aspects of the budget. I dont want to get ahead of him on this. So lets figure out where we go first on this with what he has, and then well have a full presentation on thursday. Gabby . Reporter did you say infrastructure plan is part of that . No, that is separate. Reporter two questions, the first one, the president wanted a Signature Campaign promise was to pursue h1b visa reforms and april 1st getting new applications, can we expect to see more movement before then . Thats a good question. Weve talked about immigration in the past. I think there was an entire comprehensive process looked at in terms of how were preventing ilLegal Immigration and then what were doing about Legal Immigration whether its h1b or k1 or others in the system. There is an entire look that is taken with respect to the visa program and we will have more for you as we get through the system. Thank you guys very much, were headed off to detroit and nashville tomorrow. If youre not on the trip. We look forward to i hope everyone wears green on thursday and friday. A double shot at it this year because of the visit. Thank you, stay safe on the roads. Liz breaking news, as sean spicer was peppered with questions about the viability of the Gop Health Plan during the White House Press briefing, he just said the plan is going to be in discussions to be amended in the house before it gets to the senate. He is also saying, look, absolutely, it gives more choice to oefrp insurance plans but the breaking news is there may be a tiny crack in the ice there with the house before it gets to the senators but we have this breaking news, republicans and democrats on the senate side might be coming together on the plan. New york senator Chuck Schumer just spoke with reporters and he wants a public option in the Health Care Plan to encourage more competition in the market, this as Senate Majority leader Mitch Mcconnell said the house gop plan is to open amendment once it gets to the senate. Lets decipher all of this, lets bring in Dennis Kucinich and Pete Hoekstra on whether a tiny ray of light might be coming through the crack of ice. Congressman hoekstra, decipher the code between the two senators. Could we see positive negotiation . I think you can. I was reading and following it this morning. Theyre saying theres a quote, unquote in technical terms major managers amendment that will be made when the bill comes to the house floor probably next week. What is that . Negotiations that Republican House members have agreed on, they will put into the bill before they send it to the senate, and i always did expect somewhere along the line democrats and republicans would come together to move this bill forward. Thats good for the american people, and you know, what it signals is were going to have a longterm fix for health care, not something that changes every time we change administrations. Liz congressman kucinich, what provision would you demand to see as a democrat, if you were still in the house, within this plan . As you see, we have senator schumer saying at least put in a government choice, that single option as part of the panoply of what could be offered . Well, to have a public option is something that should have happened under president obama. He didnt want that and the Insurance Companies didnt want it. Lets get real about whats happening here. This is a plan that its a new for profit plan, the obama plan was an old for profit plan. Less people will be covered, the premiums will be higher. People 50 to 64 will see costs go up five times as compared to younger insurance policyholders. The Insurance Companies are making out like bandits, going to have fees reduced by 145 billion. Stocks are going up because now if anybody doesnt have insurance under the new plans, you dont have insurance, you pay a penalty to the insurance company. The hospital stocks were showing are definitely going down. While Health Insurance stocks may be down today. We have shown them since the election, weve shown since obamacare and they are up anywhere from 400 to 500 , but let me just push back a little bit on that, congressman, because, look, there are phases to this, and within face two phase three, thats when the republicans say we would start to see the ability to buy insurance, look, when you have a 529 plan. If i like idahos plan because its better, im allowed to choose that. With insurance, you havent been allowed to do that. Wont that bring more competitn and ing the price down . Insurance Companies Make money not providing health care, no matter where theyre located. Liz well, congressman hoekstra, im laughing because im not a fan of Insurance Companies, i think they use us all as atms and benefit. Premiums rose under obamacare, but boy were they rising before obamacare. What do we need toy. This plan congressman hoekstra . Because the medicaid portion is causing consternation, 30 states including both michigan and ohio opted to expand medicaid for their poorer citizens. This plan scales it back. I think youre going to have a problem once you give the individual a government benefit, its hard to take away from them. The bottom line is what the republican plan is going to do and i hope democrats come on board and putting in a partial public option may be the way to do it to increase competition, but what competition is going to give us, its going to give us and its going to give consumers choices, its going to improve our delivery system, its going to bring efficiencies into the marketplace, the choice is do you want something that consumers are making a choice for quality and efficiency or do you want the government make decisions. Liz okay, you let them have the choice, im all about the free market and choice, youve got younger people who think theyre invincible. They will not pay for coverage. No penalty for coverage because this gets rid of all the penalties. Lot of people say is a good thing, but theyll still get sick. Some will still get sick and show up on hospital doorsteps at most expensive and worst point. Congressman kucinich do you see anything in the bill that avoids that . Frankly in my view as the person who helped right hr 676 medicare for all. Free ideological principles are incompatible with a healthare system which would take care of the american people. Sorry. Liz congressman hoekstra . You raise a credible point for those who not have coverage. If you start creating the plans, younger people are going to most likely pick lower costs, low benefit plans. Liz or none at all. Or potentially none at all. And at the hospitals theyre going to have the coverage demanded. Somewhere you have to put together a subsidy to recognize that does happen. Liz you and i are going to pay for the sick people. We will pay for it, yes, yes. Liz i dont like that. I dont either. Pay for us when were sick. Liz maybe in phases two and three they figure this out. The breaking news, there may be wiggle room as senator mcconnell and senator schumer are saying, well, maybe we can work on this. We shall see. Great to see you both. Thank you so much. Former congressman Dennis Kucinich and Pete Hoekstra. Tune in