About abusing Eminent Domain for personal gain. Theres nothing conservative about four bankruptcies. Theres nothing conservative about giving money to the clintons. Theres nothing conservative about donald trump. Joining me is the president of club for growth David Macintosh and gina loudon, occasional trump supporter is with me as well. David, i thought you backed away from attacks on donald trump, particularly, he came out and reminded everyone, you guys went hat in hand asking for money, he rejected you and this is a vendetta that you guys have against him . Thats his line. It was trump trying to buy our silence, and we feel charles we have to tell the voters in South Carolina the truth about him, that hes not a conservative, hes got a long record of supporting liberal causes, and hes just like the politicians theyre frustrated with. Hell say anything in order to get the vote. Charles but by the same token, you were willing to accept money, if you would have written that checks, you would have taken a check. There is something disingenuous, people feel, a lot of people feel about the whole attack . Okay, i figure if trump really is a conservative, he might be interested in giving money to the club for growth. He never sent the check. He made it clear he wasnt going to do that. I think the most important thing here is whats trump going to do if he gets to be president . Hes going to have federal government pay for health care. Instead of obamacare well get trumpcare. Raise taxes rather than do tax cut, and use Eminent Domain to take peoples property. Who knows what hell use in the power of the federal government to do to people who are american. Charles gina, you are very astute on the political side, you have championed conservatives for a long time and you like donald trump. You think donald trump is authentic and real, you dont see him going against his word. I like what donald trump has added to the conversation, charles. I like that donald trump single handedly turned the establishment on its head. I like that donald trump shielded, has served as a buffer for other conservatives who never would have had a chance because the establishment in washington, d. C. Would have seen to it they were destroyed from the get go. I wouldnt call myself a trump supporter. I tried to remain analytical about this until one person rises up as our candidate. And im willing to support that person. Charles do you think the club for growth is offbase with their attack on donald trump with respect to all of the things theyre assuming hell do and go completely against everything hes saying on the campaign trail. I think negative campaigning is sad at this point when. Trump decided he was going pull his negative ad against ted cruz. Now this ad comes out. Its all about lake. Modern voter is not concerned about labels, they dont want to be called conservatives, liberals, democrat. They dont want any of the rest of it. They are concerned about putting america in a position of bargaining from a position of power. Thats what most people are thinking about. And when they hear about donald trump, they think, okay, this guy has been successful in his life. I want america to be successful on the worldwide platform, and thats why theyre supporting him. I dont think slapping labels im conservative, youre conservative, im so conservative i can tell you youre not conservative, i dont find that effective today. Charles what do you make of that, david . People are rejecting that term or label conservative when they once embraced it . I think everybody is running after the label conservative. I think ginas got a point. Trumps strength is in his personality rather than ideology. We want to educate the voters who care about the issues . Do they want Government Health care or not . Tax increases or not . Hes not their guy. Charles donald trump is not promising tax increases, though. This is where the thing gets muddled. Why are you saying hes going to do these things when hes saying hes going to do the exact opposite . Just a few months ago, just a few months ago, in the middle of the Campaign Somebody asked him, are you back off your earlier 4 trillion increase . And he said no, if the circumstances come back, i would do that all over again. I dont think we know which increase is that . Which increase is that youre talking about . After the 2008, 2009, he suggested to pay down the debt. We have a huge tax increase on wealth, amounted to 4 trillion and strongly endorsed it then Charles Donald trump talked about taxes on upper noirjs including his own taxes. Who do you represent . Where do you get your money from . Because you guys have drawn a serious line in the sand, and apparently, obviously, you feel threatened to a certain degree. Who do you represent . By the way, if you look at charles at his tax increase, it wouldnt have affected people like him who make their money off of selling property. They get to retain the Capital Gains when they buy a new property. Its clever, he doesnt get hurt, everybody else does. We represent the ideas. Charles do corporations donate to you, rich people . Who donates to your organization . We have about 20,000 donors, they range from people who write 25 checks all the way up. So its people who really care about what is the economy . What do we do about the economy . Who will be but your organization, your organization, david, in the past has supported many candidates who have supported Eminent Domain, including by the way, ted cruz who has supported Eminent Domain, from canadian standpoint with the keystone pipeline, and i think that all the gop candidates have made it clear that nobody out here is about raising taxes. When we start trying to pars that out somehow. Nobody is for Eminent Domain, theres a big difference there. Were not being completely honest about it charles let david explain it. Trump is not saying hes going to raise taxes. On Eminent Domain, yes, thats a legitimate process to get property needed to build roads and other public property. What donald likes to do is take it from the home owner and give it to another developer, another private person, like himself in new jersey, and they get to make all the money off of property. Charles gina . Gina, recently donald trump said hes running one way but he may change a little bit, and i think he was talking about political style as opposed to ideology or substance, is that a yellow flag for anyone . A red flag . Can that be read into. Talking about not using vulgarities anymore. Charles he talked that since New Hampshire, hes going to tone it down, you run one way, but may see as the process goes on, maybe a little change in him. Is that a tell that perhaps that carries on through an administration. I think that, you know, donald trump has never claimed to be a politician, hes just not that packaged politician, and so theres a lot of forgiveness for better or worse in whether or not its fair to the other candidates, charles, this is the thing that donald trump can do because we all get that hes learning how to be a candidate. He knows what he knows, and i think his Supporters Trust him to understand business and how to make it work and i think his supporters believe that he can take the same template and lay it on the American Economy and make America Great again. Thats the argument he has to make. I dont like the vulgarity. I dont like the personal attacks, name calling. Im glad hes turned over this new leaf, and hes learning when he goes, and the voters are patient with that. The media will talk about it nonstop. Charles thats for sure, and lets bring in the rest of the panel, weve got Eboni Williams and charlie kirk. Eboni, start with you. Feels like the establishment, and im not saying club for growth is the establishment. They fought for years against the socalled establishment. Feels like all antitrump large entities that have an interest in him not being president are going for broke right now . They need to be, this is an adversarial process, i agree with dr. Gina, nobody wants the labels and negative campaigning, this is american politics and youre going into South Carolina, this is getting serious, the field is less than half of what it started out being. If youre not going to do it now, dont bother is what im saying. Im not a donald trump supporter per se, but im not mad at donald trump for saying hes going to curtail some of this as the process goes on, its marketing, okay . There are certain things that need to get out of the primary that may not play well in the general election, this is a man going for the oval office, he just doesnt want to be a nominee, doesnt want to be mitt romney, he wants to be president. That would be smart to understand theres a long game here. Charles charlie, you are too young to remember, but you are a student of politics. Lot of famous promises including read my lips. Donald trump may have the best intentions of the world, but maybe pushing through his ideas, it may take things he doesnt think right now. May take a tax increase or Something Like that . Thats right, i have to give credit to club for growth for shining light on this. Its a conversation that needs to be had. I dont like or appreciate or respect the way any time we challenge Donald Trumps comments in the past where, he says things like im going to raise taxes, were going to get it done, cut deals, it should be challenged. I think Trump Supporters that immediately cry foul and say theres bias against that, i dont think thats fair. In regards to what we want in a candidate, i consider myself a conservative. We need to ask whos going to honor the constitution . Whos going to put the law ahead of their own personal authority and ego . That is the question for donald trump. Charles charlie, im seeing more and more people say forget it. People used to scream, wear tshirts, im a conservative now saying even the conservatives let us down. What do you make of the idea that maybe conservatism, the way we used to think of it, is also in danger right now . I think thats what the primary process is about. Conservatism about a populist bottomup, america firsttype philosophy or about economic freedom, philosophy first and ideology second . This is a conversation that needs to be had and battling out. Cruz represents the constitution must come first, economic freedom, donald trump is more about a populist, almost americana way of looking at politics, and this is a philosophy that is colliding in front of our eyes in South Carolina. Its going to be fascinating to see the results come in. Charlie i appreciate what youre saying, im a lawyer and appreciate the constitution as well as any american. The theories of conservatism and the ideas and the implementation, what were seeing and the gop is seeing in trumps popularity is many people are more concerned about the implementation, the ability to get it done more so than the ability to talk grandiose about the themes and things theyre not seeing and put in practice. Charles would the club back him or back the democrat . I dont see us backing either of the democrats. Look, i think weve got two great choices out there, ted cruz, marco rubio, who are constitutional conservatives. Theyre economic conservatives and can win. So im hoping the folks in South Carolina vote for that substance over the style and the temper tantrums that donald trump is having. Charles donald trump is leading in the polls and a pure juggernaut. Thanks a lot. Well come back to you. Bernie and hillary had a lot to say in last nights debate. What were they really saying . Weve got a body language expert whos going to talk about that and trump swearing off swearing. Well be right back. At ally bank, no branches equals great rates. Its a fact. Kind of like grandkids equals free tech support. Oh, look at you, so great to see you none of this works. Come on in. At ally bank, no branches equals great rates. Its a fact. Kind of like social media equals antisocial. Hey guys, i want you to meet my fiancee, denise. Hey. Good to meet you dennis. I wont use foul language, im just not going to do it. Theyre all saying do it. Do it. No. Im not, even if its a bad word. If its a little off, they kill me. Ill never do it again, actually. And ill never even copy somebody what they ask me to say. [ laughter ] that was gop frontrunner donald trump at a rally in baton rouge last night vowing not to curse anymore on the campaign trail, this after his rivals criticize him for public profanity, but also whats left unsaid is important in this campaign, too. Last nights democratic debate, theres a lot of body language used as well. The biggest question is who came off as the most honest . Joining me Eboni Williams and tanya ryman. You study body language and the communication of the body can portray what come out of the lips. For sure. Charles donald trump, did his body say were with him or good luck . Hes such a tough read, when hes with his people, hes so animated but trying to impress someone he uses smaller gestures, in the debate he uses smaller gestures. When he got to im never going to do it again, you saw a one sided shoulder shrug, that indicates hes indecisive or not 100 sure he can keep to the tactic. The one side shoulder shrug is maybe i will, maybe i wont. Charles really . What did you think, eboni . On the internet counters how long it will take, you know . I just never say never, i cringe, i try not to do that. Its almost you are betting against yourself in that moment. Good luck. Charles as someone who accidentally slipped out the f word on tv, it is tough to do that kind of stuff. He said the f word and said no, i didnt say it. You heard the whisper through the microphone. Charles its going to be fun to watch. Its another way of creating news. This stuff is important, this is really something that matters because it doesnt necessarily mean the person is being insincere even if body language portrays what theyre saying. Words convey a message, the nonverbals, how i move my body and the way i talk, if i end with a high note, that is like what embroils the entire message. If im talk to you anding im saying one thing with verbals like i had a great day, and my words are saying i had a great day, obviously, you can tell i didnt. Thats what im looking for are the disconnects. What about the democratic debate last night . Who came across as more honest, full. Hillary clinton needs to look honest in every shape and form that matters. Bernie sanders is much more authentic. Hillary is much more polished. When shes talking she is robotic, stiff at certain times, she laughs and gets back and reins herself in. Bernie doesnt care, he puts himself out there. Theres a really big difference in the way the two approach. Charles bernie believes what hes saying . Really authentic, 100 believes what hes saying, not that hillary doesnt. Hes more on guard. Charles shes a little more calculated. Of course, every time she hears something she disagrees with, there is the deep inhalation or lift up shoulders in the fear pose. I have a question. Bernie was getting a lot of attention because when he disagrees he does the bernie wag. I call it the waggle. Hes old school. If you notice, bill clinton came out with this point, the clinton point, he never goes like this. Bernie does the waggle and comes across as nonpresident ial. Why . A president needs to hold himself in and wait until its his turn, he doesnt seem to be able to do that. Maybe thats just brooklyn. Thats what trump does, thats why people love trump. Charles we all speak with our hands, no matter what nationality you are. Quickly, that jacket, what the hell is that jacket about, eboni . That was not verbal communication, too. It proves, when we saw her after getting clobbered in New Hampshire, the blackandwhite priest outfit, very subdue, like we were in mourning. This is her saying were awake and trying again. Shes not the most fashionable person, charles. Its a low bar. This is star trek next generation outfit, i feel like Whoopi Goldberg is dressing her. Its better, she cant help herself yall. Charles donald trump has to live up to the no cursing and Bernie Sanders is authentic, he believes his message. Yes, he believes it. Charles thank you. Another company jumping ship from america to mexico. This is heart breaking. Weve got a video of the workers told by their bosses, your jobs are being shipped away. This is why americans are upset. Upset. 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