Arkansas. We have others as well who are starting to talk about the idea that the problems with obamacare car so intense, so problematic, the website working so poorly that we must delay the individual mandate. That is the talk to settle. Tonight one of our reporters saying that the dam is breaking as people start to talk about this very issue. Tomorrow as we know, contractors who helped develop this website will be talking in front of a congressional committee. Were already seeing some of that testimony tonight. Heres what i can tell you. Cdi, the company in the spotlight, the Canadian Company saying that the federal government is responsible for the problems with the website. Ultimately it is not their fault, but hhs, health and human services, of talk tonight. Lets bring in the former policy adviser for the center for medicaid and medicare services. Lots of headlines. Let me tell you, there are reports tonight that the administration is going to say that we need to delay the mandate for a year. Is that a good idea . Theyre going to have to delay the mandate because the reality is, theyre saying the deadline to avoid the penalty is you must have coverage in place by march, are suggesting they have until march to fix the website. That is not true. They coverage needs to be effective in march to man the other way to do that is to require the coverage two weeks prior. Is website will not be faced by the 15th. I suspect it will delay the mandate to do it after that time encloses. Would be surprised to see them do it now. If they announced the delay of a mandate now it will be that much more of a disincentive for young people to get to again this market. Gerri it is interesting because i think the political pressure here is fairly intense and coming from the president s own party. And you have to think that that really resounds with the administration. When it comes to the website itself, i was mentioning that cge already has in excess money for tomorrow in front of the Energy Committee in congress. There are also pointing the finger, and i want to get your reaction, United Health. They say what United Health did made a more difficult thing for this website to work. Cdi saying they passed a technical reviews on this. Is this where you expected, the finger pointing . At think what some president s here is how much the administration is blaming the contractors. So you will see is the contractor start to blame each other. It was unusual they singled out akkadian contractor and a single contractor. A lot of contractors sharon is. You will see more focus on cms and particular. And maybe the chief operating officer and how they handle the different contracts. It was really up test cms. Gerri we hadnt experts tell us last night that cms is in no position to that run this thing. No idea how to build a website of this complexity. Did not have the expertise. You think that is right . That is right, usually you outsource the management of these contractors. You dont try to do it inhouse. It is hard to train people to do this kind of work, and cms was working directly with the white house on the implementation of this website. I think what you see now is lot of effort to try to pass the buck on to the contractors. And the contractors probably will start pushing back. In a system money is probably just the opening salvo. Gerri hang tight. We will bring in our reporter, rich edson, from washington. Lots of news tonight, lots of chatter about this idea of delaying the mandate. What do you know . Sure. When you talk to the administration, their response on this is to say, we still have months of an enrollment. And if we come to that point where you cannot get Health Insurance and is proving you did not have Health Insurance because you could not physically sign on and get to it, the law has already written in a way that youre likely not going to face the penalty. The administration is not giving much ground. They defer to hhs which is not answering many of the technical questions. We are not getting much knew from the administration. You are beginning to see come as you mentioned, democrats, those with in the president s own party are calling for some kind of extension. That is usually how it starts. Gerri you say they do not want to rock the boat. I have to tell you, nobody yet today, and you tell me if i am wrong is youre talking to all of the players, is anyone saying that the buck stops here . The president said it is unacceptable and then went on for our a very lengthy sales pitch of the law a couple of days ago. I think there are those within the president s party you are calling for someone to be fired. There is no indication that that will happen. When you looked at what happened here, part of the testimony for tomorrow, ci, of the contractors , no amount of testing could adequately replicate a live entire environment of this nature. When you look at this and look at the way this was sold we have been getting reports for weeks if not months. Asked the administration and hhs, these problems true, are the website is shes going to cause problems when you guys go live. And it is, we are going to go live on october 1st. Dont worry about the problems. Of a sudden, these massive problems appear and it is almost as if they set aside to expect this to work really well and deferred all of the questions gerri that is not what happened. Hang tight. He will bring in yet another analyst with their own breaking news about some of the cost associated with this. What you are saying is that cost for the average 30yearold woman is through the roof. Use a 1903 . As you examined this website, as you look at it, what do you see . Is this a system that works well . Is it easy to use . Well, we are seeing premium increases in every state in the district of columbia. And from what we are hearing, no, the site is not usable. People have a lot of july on. If they can log on, they can see the correct premium prices. They can see provider networks. Gerri big problems. I want to bring you back in, dr. Scott. Cpi is saying in some of his testimony, and rich was just reading some of that, this is what created the real problems with the system was dissembling anonymous shopping. That is really at the core of some of the issues today. People want is to be able to go on the site lay there would on amazon. Stroller around, looked at prices, get a sense of what there would be on the hook for. And they could not. That is because, as i and a stand, the administration did not want people to be able to do that. Is that the source of the problem . Did not want people to see the prices until pout what the e would get to offset the cost of the plans because they knew the cost of the plan was i and many people receive the Sticker Prices and not come back. They created an initial bottleneck by having to verify peoples income and determine the subsidy eligibility before they can do that kind of wonder shopping. They never built a tool to show consumers with the real prices work. Too much pride to the launch of a. Inside the apartment of health and human services. They referred employees to calculate your bill by the Kaiser Foundation to find out what the actual Sticker Price was which was just an approximation. Gerri i saw your note star producer. That was shocking that the government did not build their own calculated and used something from a private company that is not involved in the process. They are intelligent. It is not their system. Where does this go from here . Do you think that the system can be saved . It will take a long time. This could take up to year, and there are a lot of other pieces that will be problematic going forward. Subsidy calculations will be wrong. It will get information on subsidies that are not really the amount of money it will get to offset the cost of premiums and the coinsurance. That is going to hit people next year. It will be a lot more and expensive. The subsidy that they thought they would get will be clawed back. These calculations are wrong right now. In fact, we know theyre blatantly wrong because there are subject to sequester cuts. Gerri i want to ask a question. And now you have to go. He had been looking at some of this testimony. What else to unite . When you look at the testimony from tomorrow, you talk about the circular firing squad. This is a complex operation. A number of different federal departments, number of different contractors. As we talked about before, this expectation that things were going to be as easy as the president said coming going on amazon and going shopping. Remember, the one notable thing about tomorrow is you will not be here. That is hhs secretary kathleen sibila is. She will be in arizona and a call center. We will hear from her for another week. Gerri and i have to ask you, can she last another week interposition . A lot of chatter and talk about fashion is to go. Those among democrats to say someone needs to be fired at the very least not calling around my name, and youre not hearing much of that from the white house. In fact, they are at least making her more visible, but again, not before congressional testimony where they will get the tough questions. It. Gerri i want to dig into some of your numbers which are, frankly, amazing. This entire system, the entire program is supposed to be bailed out by young people who bear the cost, the burden of the cost. Theyre supposed to subsidize older people. Boy, according to your numbers year, it looks like that is exactly what theyre being tasked with. Give us more of those numbers about what young women in particular we will face . Our studies focus on single 30yearold healthy women and what they could pay in 2013 for coverage verses what they will be on the hook for in 2014. We found that in 42 states those increases are going to be 100 to more. So, for example, vermont is the highest. Women in vermont, again, our example, age 30yearold single woman will seek the premium increase 600 . Gerri well, you look at those numbers. Pre aca 175, afterwards more than doubled. That will not go down well. Dr. Scott, we have a fox news poll out tonight, 57 percent of canal a majority of americans support a delay in implementation of obamacare. People dont want to defunded, but they want to delay it. Is that the kind of momentum that will get a change in this long . I think what is going to be most impacting is that the market will fail. There are surveys out of providers, theyre not contrasting with the plans. Only 38 percent of all hospital subcontracted with any obamacare plan, and most of only contracted with a single plan. The provider that is already signed a contract will not get into the market now after what theyre seeing unfold because it will be an adverse pools, and adverse risk pool. This is a failed market. Deregulated and tinkered with some much and is so much to avoid the ability of anyone to profit off of providing care, they basically destroy the marketplace. Gerri youre listening to this as i am and and mist on astonished at the degree to which this up plan is not together, ready for primetime, ready for americans to use. Was there any hand to make you talked before about how everyone said there were ready for the rollout. Were you able to get a with of this kind of difficulty simmering . When you started seeing the reporting a few months and weeks ago before this went live you get the sense that the Insurance Companies, that is where you started seeing some of it . That maybe this is not going to be ready to go. The administration kept pushing this off. Honestly because of all of the noise surrounding the government shut down and the debt ceiling, lot of the focus from the reporters in washington was not near this. The president did a News Conference about a week or two into this still being unmasked and was not asked one question. Relief faded into the background until the shut down and at least the threat of the shut down went away for couple of months. Gerri this is the most important story affecting our viewers wallets this year in the last two years. It is critically important. Critically important to americans. The big news tonight, and seems that the dam may be breaking. The macy a delay in the individual mandate. Thank you so much for coming out tonight. A lot more of our continued luck 7 gerri the obamacare sticker shock is so bad, even the white house tried to cover it up. Consumers were supposed to be able to see the insurance pricetags right up front on the exchanges, but our next guest says the administration changed all that weeks before the rollout. Now prices are concealed until consumers caught the ball of their private information. Joining me now, republican to have republican congressman from oklahoma. Really trying to hide prices. They wanted to hide the sticker shock. Isnt that the first thing that consumers wanted to know with what their costs would be . It is, and that was the frustration initially. They found out they had to go through this and give all of their personal information. All of their background and salary information before the king did it because the white house apparently wanted to make sure that people saw the subsidy. Now they have switch that. Now it is set up for age brackets. The estimate that they are giving you is actually much higher in real life. A lowball estimate when the price is even higher. Gerri i want to ask if you have gotten a response to your letter to the administration. We have not. Our initial response was we need to know all of the facts. That is part of our oversight responsibility, when something goes very wrong, we have to be a will to find out why this happened, who made the decision, and now we correct this in the future. Gerri that is my point compounded the decision dismayed, try to hide the Sticker Price. Do you think that it was kathleen sibila yes, some management. That seems to be a fundamental issue that we need answers to. It is. And in july i held a hearing. I had the head of the irs, the mighty individuals in front of my committee. He went to a questioning about this website and the data hub. The director of cpm s, stamford Medicaid Services tell me directly, october 1 it will be completely ready. We are testing and evaluating. It will be ready. Obviously that is simply not true, was not true in july and is death and not true in october. Gerri so unbelievable that even democrats are calling out the president. I want to see what dick nolan had to say about the president. Listen to this. The president should man out and let us know who was responsible, who was in charge. Gerri what do you make of that . A democrat talking to the head of this party. That is the same thing now we have said for months. People have criticized ourselves, but the reality is the same. People that believe the problem is just the bad side of mistaken. This is not just about website. The most visible portion of the Affordable Care act. You talk to the Insurance Companies from hospitals, doctors offices, people led to a chart, you will find the exact same problems are multiplied all of the country. Is not just about the website. That is just the visible part. There are major concerns. Gerri congressman, before you go, and kathleen cinereous will testify next week. What do you want to hear her address and she keep her job . I will let the president decided she will keeper job. She serves as the president the pleasure of the president. He can go ahead and keep her on from there. The question that i have for is how did this happen, how the contract may command was congress and the white house told everything was operational when it is not. If we were told this is operational, it is clearly not even close. What else is operational like this . We need to know the full facts right now. Gerri unbelievable. Thank you for coming on. Appreciate your time. Thank you so much. 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Responding to some late news from the cdi contractor they are pointing their fingers at the federal government saying federal agency is responsible for the problems in here is a quote from the testimony they will give to borrow openly the responsible party is the federal government government, hhs and cms by extension that they passed eight technical reviews with the web site. Does it surprise you a Government Contractor points the finger at the government . Not at all the all different parties will be pointing the finger at each other but who is to blame . In my mind cgi global was responsible for building the web site is still not working three weeks later it is not right to pass off the blame to the federal government. In the meantime three years ago it was hhs and cms that gave this contract so for them to not assign it to a company that cannot develop project to get it working without a hitch i would also place blame there but i am not surprised. Gerri tomorrow that entire hearing will be people pointing fingers. I find this interesting and have never heard this before had you heard about it . Is this something people talk about a tax surge . I am fascinated by a the rhetoric of tech surge and best and brightest these are both military terms we first heard best and brightest used during the vietnam war. Is an unfortunate turn of phrase but i do stephen t. That is wrong with best and brightest and i dont believe the government can just bring in the brightest. Gerri w