it is very hard right now. guess what. it always has been. if you were in the '70s, you had the vietnam war. you have the inflation. you just name it. there is always something. overall, mechanically speaking, not psychologically or emotionally, it is the easiest and best time right now. speak on the bottom line here is a tong of realism and determination. that is what it takes to succeed. i think these folks are on that path. i will send it back to you. >> sandra: dave is always right. it is always been tough to start a business from the ground up. a growing number of red tape regulations, taxes is making it harder and harder. where there is a well, there's a way. it sounds exciting. thank you. >> it sure is.