that was the last contested primary. you see cruz beating trump by four points. marco rubio a point behind donald trump. in your last polling rubio was 15%. he got a bump of eight points in the end on caucus nights. i would say that was a surprise. so you can have surprises in iowa even with the gold standard your poll is on saturday night. >> caucuses are designed for things to happen in the room on caucus night. we had trump leading in our final poll. as you know ted cruz won. he had the superior organization. they had precinct captains organizing trying to convert ben carson supporters that his guy was about to drop out and they should come on board and make a deal with delegates. it's all the inside baseball stuff that makes iowa iowa. it happened in the room on caucus night, i think. >> dana: a pleasure to meet you in person.