end because we already opened up a pandora's box. we got ourselves into this year of foreign policy disasters because we gave up energy independence. one of the greatest foreign policy tools we have for our diplomats. we should be drilling and pumping all over the world. even discussing it drops the the oil price on the foreign markets. jon: you would be in favor of presuming the keystone pipeline and drilling on federal land, et cetera? >> i think we have to choose which is more dangerous to the environment. carbon or plutonium. we need to get back into the oil and gas business. that's where we should be. we'll have more control that way. jon: gentlemen, we'll talk more with you.