is probably not going to be looking at that direction initially. he may do it with cyberattacks but i do think that he won't stop with ukraine if he is successful in this drill. he probably would look at more lower hanging fruit initially like moe moldova or georgia. >> let's take a look at that map because those seem like easier pickings black sea andy vert his attention down to odesa and take his eye off the ball around some of the cities in the central and northern and eastern region of ukraine? can we do that? >> we can and you raise a great point. it's time to complicate vladimir putin's solution. and it needs to be a multilayered approach. and while i like a forced presentation that shows him capability, and let's be honest. he is not having a cake walk in