you know, i don't know what kind of judge she is. will she sentence her to the max. i don't know. this is a woman that has never been accused of any wrongdoing, committing any kind of excessive force. i'm sure if you want to her personnel file, there's nothing in there. but the mitigating factor is that this is clearly a mistake. they didn't think about it. you talk about alec baldwin. a month later after the shooting of hutchins, oh, it wasn't my fault. this is immediate. this is spontaneous. this is considered incredibly trustworthy when it happens at the moment. so we'll see what the sentence will be. >> gillian: we'll see. judge, thanks for taking time out of the day for us. we appreciate it. talk to you soon. >> thank you. bye-bye. >> gillian: so joining us now is