Jon we have beautiful weather in new york for once. Nice day out there. Jon hope it is nice where you are. See you back here in an hour. Outnumbered starts right now. Harris this is outnumbered. Im harris faulkner. Here today, cohost of after the bell on fox business, melissa francis. Democratic strategist julie roginsky. National review reporter katherine timpf, todays oneluckyguy, look who is back on the couch . Veteran sports broadcaster and super bowl winning quarterback Joe Theismann is here. We say he is outnumbered. Youve seen a bigger line than this one. I dont know if you consider yourself outnumbered. Believe me, much pretty line. When you talk about the line i only see one side of them. Only see one side of the guys up
front that is little bit of an issue. Great to be back. Harris glad to be part of upgrade in your life. Major upgrade. Harris new and potentially troubling developments for president ial candidate Hillary Clinton. The state Department Says it can not find a single relevant email or personal server to or from bryan pagliano. Remember he worked for agency and set inand managed her private computer server and it was during her time as secretary of state. That is according to Court Filings after the Republican National committee sued the state department for those records. Pagliano was offered immunity by the Justice Department into the continuing investigation into the clinton server and email and whether they violated National Security laws. The lack of any official emails between the two raising questions whether those communications were scrubbed from both their accounts. This is a big deal. Julie. Harris im going to come to you first. Democrat on the couch because you have said all along you have not been in favor of the way she has handled this. Yes. I thought she handle it who are i about. There was no excuse for private email server. No excuse for not using state department email. I will say typically, first of all a lawsuit filed by rnc, but typically when the Justice Department starts investigating, all other civil lawsuits, i think sort of take a back seat until the Justice Department is done with its recommendation for me, im curious to see jim comey, no means a political hack or in the tank for anybody in the fbi if he recommends a indictment democrats should accept it. If he doesnt recommend indictment i hope republicans understand there is thorough investigation, she has been cleared and lets move on. Harris lets talk about who this person is, bryan pagliano. First an sell against source not speaking on record our fox news was table to talk to the source, says that pagliano is devastating witness in the fbis case and the investigation. The fact, he was the guy who this whole thing up. How do you go through a fouryear period, 30,000 emails, yet have no correspondence between the person that set it up, the i. T. Individual that sets it up and secretary clinton at that time. The American People have to step back and say this is virtually impossible. This is something that can not be real. Tell us something, say they were five, except for the one, happy birthday, madam secretary, only one found in 30,000 emails. Harris absolutely right about this fact, how could it be possible. It wasnt. It wasnt on the server theyre looking for which sounds nearly impossible. What do they do, melissa, they went and looked, they kind of triangulated, looked at other people who were ccd or access emails. There was a trail. It mysteriously was not on her server. There is isnt no way to explain this not break the law. Either he was on the federal payroll but not doing any federal work at all. He was getting money from the government and in a fake job. Only way you could explain there were not emails or they were scrubbed or deleted. So that is obstruction of justice and evidence. There is no way to explain this way away people or they didnt email each other. That makes a lot of sense. When you say i hope conservatives can let it go if there is no indictment. I cant let Something Like this go. It makes no sense. Harris julie, why pagliano is so important because he did the home system for her. He was the key i. T. Guy. He was the web master as they were called. He would be able to tell the government and his now immunityenhanced testimony now, because he has got immunity with the government, he would be able to say, when, how, who, what where, exactly how that system who had access to it and why. Only way immunity works luckily, i dont know this firsthand the only way immunity works if you give up all the
information you are looking for. He may have the emails whether the state Department Finds them or not. He has them somewhere on his server, the question will he turn them over to the fbi . He has to in order to get immunity and what the emails show. Again once that is all thoroughly vetted and i believe is vetted by fbi, lets wait for the recommendation to jump to conclusions whether laws were broken or not. Laws broken enough. Laws broken enough. Harris part of the problem with this is where the public is concerned, joe, the fact that people dont trust justice will be carried out. You mentioned james comey, fbi director. He is personally looking at this. He wants people to know it is clean investigation that sort of thing. Right. Harris lets remember this moment back in march. Univisions jorge ramos asked mrs. Clinton about this, he said if you get indicted will you drop out of president ial race. Shep responded my booedness that is not goings to happen. That is the problem with this,
she hasnt taken to the point where people think she is taking it seriously. She has not taken responsibility for what she did. I was listening to president obama, there is top secret and then theres top secret. Harris right. Well, how do you, something is top secret. Doesnt fall into two categories in my citizen. If im an american citizen im thinking something is top secret, it doesnt have a, b, or cclassification. He is talking about what might have been in the emails. I think it was he called her careless. President obama called secretary clinton careless harris which is not illegal. It is not illegal, but really think about it, someone in the most powerful position in this country to be carelessly taking care of things, that has to do with National Security or has to do with their servers or emails . It gives us pause to stop and think about whats going to happen if. Harris she signed that document, right . She signed that document saying she understood classifications. Things were classified based on content and not markings. She sign ad document that she read pages she got it and understood it. I will say she has taken responsibility to the point she said she made a mistake setting up email server. You cant expect her to say to jorge ramos or anyone else, if i get indicted i will drop out. Any politician and any strategist will tell a politician dont make a big deal out of it. You have election to run. Well see how it works out. Republicans in nebraska and both parties are running in West Virginia. Hillary clinton still contending with Bernie Sanders and she could face big problems in the general election. A brand new quinnepiac poll shows her in a deadheat with trump in three key swing states. That is in pennsylvania, where 20 electoral votes are up for grabs. Clinton is just ahead of trump 4342. The numbers are the same in florida. Though the stakes there are higher with 29 electoral votes. In ohio, trump edges out clinton 4339. 18 electoral votes. Joe, reason why we highlight the states, these are states that president obama won in the last election from mitt romney, if they swing it could change everything and put trump over the top. A lot of time pollsters and smart political people out there say, Electoral College map that counts. What do you think about all this . The Electoral College map does count but i think American People count also and those three states have been very important to the elections Going Forward in the general, no question about it. And it looks like donald trump is in a position now, now it is time for the gop to get behind donald trump instead of trying to seems like the gop has been focused trying to defeat donald trump, we dont want donald trump to be nominee. Instead of saying okay, youre there. The American People have spoken. Delegates have spoken. We want you. These three states are very important. I have learned more about the
delegate counts and about caucuses we all have. Than i ever thought of ever knowing in my life. I just think, they are important, absolutely. Now the question is, what happens if you do carry them . You know, is it going to be enough . Is there going to be more of a problem Going Forward for the gop . Democrats, really Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton is sitting there with Bernie Sanders as fly. He wont go away. Harris Bernie Sanders picked up more delegates over the past weekend. They split two contests went on quietly over the weekend. She will lose West Virginia. Harris she will get this with the dell bat count and superdelegates definitely. I cant see how that will happen. The problem we dont know what his supporters are going to do if they dont come is is exactly same thing we talked about in 2008. Same thing we talked about, my goodness what is Hillary Clinton going to do when she drops out. Harris who she is facing now . She wasnt facing anybody. Obama obama was worried about her supporters when you have people like Elizabeth Warren is not endorsing Hillary Clinton saying her number one priority to not having donald trump. This sends a signal to the Bernie Sanders she says the base this is more about Hillary Clinton. I dont think Hillary Clinton and Elizabeth Warren share a base. Especially West Virginia with comments about coil. Oklahoma was already a bloodbath before she said those things. Will shut down coal industry. These are not going to make it easier. It will maybe it worse. The fact bernie is doing well, a lot to do with antiestablishment a man of the people. She is in bed with goldman sachs, this and that. I dont think necessarily they just wont not write in bernies name or some could go to trump. The bizarre thing when you talk to regular people out there as opposed to People Like Us in middle. Day, they just want outside person. Whether it is Bernie Sanders or
trump. To us we see no cross heover or similarity. We look deep down what they stand for. When you talk to the taxicab driver and talk to the regular person out there, they do see commonality in those two candidates no matter how insane it might see to us. We look at math a lot. What i do for a living, what you do for living. Math dictates and polling dictates right now, she is collecting a lot more of his supporters, if he were to drop out than trump is collecting of supporters of republicans who drop out. That is difficulty. She doesnt need to win in vacuum. She needs better by one or two votes by other guy. So far she is consolidating a lot of Democratic Base than trump is consolidating republican base. That is one set of math. The other set of math are swing states which look like leaning toward harris i want to yield little time left back to you, julie. That is really the point here. Is donald trump putting into play for republicans, just forecasting it out, florida and other places could be in play for them when they havent been
in the past . Quinnepiac is very good poll. Im not disparaging them, but real clear polling average. Harris average. Ohio she is up by 3. Pennsylvania is up harris margin of error. Thats a tie. Still doing better than obama was doing against mccain in 08 and won all three states. Harris six months to go. A long time. Facebook denying reports that it blocked conservative news stories on its site. A warning from rnc how the social networking giant could impact the election. How straight the news youre getting online really is. That is coming up. Hillary clinton dodging reporters questions about Donald Trumps claims that she was an enabler in her husbands affairs. Really a good strategy for him . Or should she be defending herself maybe . Im going to let him run his campaign however he chooses. Im going to run my campaign. Its your home. Its everything youve always wanted. And you work hard to keep it that way. Sometimes, maybe too hard. Get claimrateguard® from allstate. It helps keep your homeowners rate from going up just because of a claim. Call an allstate agent first. 8884295722. Accident forgiveness from allstate will keep his rates from going up. But not his Blood Pressure. Michael james middle name. Not good. Get accident forgiveness from allstate and keep your rates from going up just because of an accident. And it starts the day you sign up. So whether its your car or home, let allstate help protect your rates. Talk to a local allstate agent and discover how much more their personal service can do for you. Call 8884295722 now. Clear for take off. See ya when youre living with diabetes. Steady is exciting. Oh this is living baby only glucerna has carbsteady to help minimize blood sugar spikes. And try new glucerna hunger smart to help you feel full. At compare. Com were always looking for ways to speed up your Car Insurance search. Heres the latest. Problem is we havent figured out how to reverse it. For now, just log on to compare. Com. Plug in some simple info and get up to 50 free quotes. Choose the lowest and hit purchase. Now. If youll excuse me, im late for an important function. Compare. Com. Saving humanity from high insurance rates. Youre not gonna watch it no, youre not gonna watch it we cant let you download on the goooooo youll just have to miss it yeah, youll just have to miss it we cant let you download. Uh, no thanks. I have x1 from xfinity so. Dont fall for directv. Xfinity lets you download your shows from anywhere. I used to like that song. Harris Hillary Clinton is dodging reporter questions about Donald Trumps claims that she was quote, a nasty, mean enabler when it came to her husbands cheating and how he treated women. Trump says he is justified bringing it all up since she has
been playing woman card all along. When asked about his attacks clinton only had this to say. I will let him run his campaign however he chooses. I am going to run my campaign. Police clinton, are his claims accurate and if not do you feel any need to correct the record. I have nothing to say about him and running his campaign. Harris then came round two. Why not sort of correct the record. Im answering him all the time. Im answering him what i think voters care about. So youre responding with substance . Im not running my campaign. Im not running against him. He is doing a fine job of doing that himself. Harris so heres the deal with this. Now the limelights on this issue, katherine on this issue. How is she doing. Terribly. Trump is not a guy letting things go. Harris why do you think this that he is doing badly. Not that he is attacking bill for what bill did, what hillary did. She didnt passively enable, she actively attacked women he had
affairs with him, accused him of sexually assaulting them she is running feminist. Called Gennifer Flowers as trailer trash and harassed anita broderick. No this stuff happened and we shouldnt let it go. Harris when you raise millions of dollars metro carding turning woman card, it looks like a metro card, when you raise millions of dollars, julie, you put the language about women into play dont you not. You know i will say two things. One many men made a mistake running against Hillary Clinton on this issue and thing is nobody plays the victim better than Hillary Clinton. So from political standpoint secondly i wish we would cut other women a break when comes to the fact that their husbands cheated on them and we expect were not talking about cheating. Were talking about Sexual Assault allegation. Cues me let me finish. There is no proven Sexual Assault. If your husband, if your husband
is accused cheating on you and living in the land of denial cut the woman a break. Then she goes out every, said that anyone who accused someone of Sexual Assault has right to be believed. She says that. I hope for your sake that your husband never cheats on you, that for your sake if that ever happens at some point, let me finish. Im just saying you can not say all woman who are accused Sexual Assault have a right to be believed and stay married to a guy. Can i finish my point. There is no explanation for that. I would like to explain. Youre not letting me. What im simply suggesting i hope if my husband ever cheated on me no one will judge me way i react to it. And how i treated those women. Melissa can i jump in. This is exactly where this conversation, i think where Hillary Clinton would like it to go but i think weve tried to boil this campaign down in order to make it make sense, nothing about it made sense so far. Who is winning Bernie Sanders, any of it. Trump, nothing made sen