Want biden to run for reelection. The average age in america is 39 years while the two leading candidates are double that. Despite what americans say they want, if the race were today it would be a repeat of 2020 same candidates very likely another close race. If most voters disapprove of the Job Performance of both the current and most recent president , why are those same voters poised to nominate both again . If americans truly want different options why is this looking like a repeat of 2020 . If americans truly believe the country is headed in the wrong direction why are they keeping the same drivers . Joining us now to figure it all out are two students in politics is just guitar off is the coast of the five indicate he is the editor of townhall. Com. Both are fox news contributors. Jessica im going to start the eye want you to help us make sense of this most americans say they went different choices, different candidates, do not want a repeat of the past do not approve of the current or former president and yet if the primaries ended today it would be Biden Versus Trump again. So why . Quickset is quite the laundry list of negatives i was watching the intro read through us i was like this is bad. It is very different for democrats and republicans. Obsolete joe biden is the incumbent it is standard he would be running again. So that is a separate issue altogether. On the republican side to think what you have and im sure katy looked up on this as well since it is her party that you have a real dichotomy between what the primary base which has majority of that mag the Maga Diehard Trs want the broader republican electorate. You are seeing trump voters get more and more dug in as each new indictment comes down. Tyou get more solidly behind hi. I think that is why youre you e seeing that. But at Courtly Real Problem is weve talked about this on your show before, trey, i appreciate appreciate your open of these conversations. Theres no room in america but the twoparty system in the way that our Campaign Financing system works. Especially if it is very hard for anybody to get the kind of attention if they are not the leaders of the democrats were the republicans the kind of attention or the kind of funding that you need to become preside. There are so few people that can possibly pull that off. Trey invited billion dollars a promise to not run for president i promise you i would not too. I would buy beach house at Pawleys Island. Katy two thirds of the democrats i think im going get the polling with two thirds of democrats dont want the incumbent president to run again. So why is he not being challenged by other democrats . You look in the mirror and see a future president if he is vulnerable why are other democrats running . Text jessica alluded to this. Other democrats are not officially running i would say governor gavin newsom of california, governor of illinois have been circling the waters hoping that maybe it will get their chance to jump in here as you say to third of democrats do not want joe biden to run again. It is very difficult to beat an incumbent president even if they are unpopular inside their own Apartheid Democrats have a number of worries including president joe bidens ability to go up against a Real Campaign when it comes to the 2024 election. They have questions about whether he can actually go forward with a second term should he win the white house again. That is why youre seeing these questions from republicans about running against Vice PresidentKamala Harris nikki haley brought this up at the first debate h is been something shes talking about. The infrastructure it really is a big thing for democrats. It is very difficult to take on an incumbent weathers the senate or the house but certainly its more difficult when you have the entire dnc all of the Ballot Initiatives getting the name on the ballot. That is something that is difficult for outside people even if they are tough Top Democrats like gavin newsom to break through on any kind of incumbency. Really that is the bottom line every day of infrastructure into the election already the not going to pivot at this point. Trey my question for both of you will start with your you je, then you katy, our expectations for the president just off . If we are never happy with the president , of his now it may be her in the future his or her approval numbers are always subterranean are our expectations just off for politicians or is Something Else . In other words why are people so unhappy yet they keep making the same choice. Jessica start with you and then finish with katy. I think people do generally respond to surveys in a negative fashion i have worked in polling for my career after getting out of Graduate School you do see this a lot. Or we are on the wrong track versus the right track to think out and vote for the person thats happening the 2022 midterms the red way that never happened . The thought republicans were going to pick up double digit seats people even speculated up to 40 seats and democrats over performed historical expectations on three or four seats depending upon how much of a person you count George Santos as. [laughter] thats generally what happens here. I will say that donald trump is a special kind of candidate which i think all of us can acknowledge. He is the most polarizing figure in Melody Malady politics lover hate him he elicits very strong reaction. I think that is the difficulty with what is going on there. And then joe biden being 80 years old to something we have never seen before. I will say in his defense people saying they think he is too old to write is different than im not going to vote for him. You do have over 50 of republicans and saying if donald trump is convicted they are not going to vote for him. I guess its a sad State Of Affairs when you are looking for that kind of light shining through in terms of a differential but it is important. Hugs arkady i will let you bring us home. Well, i would say the old joke if you want the perfect candidate you have to run for office yourself. And so when we put our faith in politicians or an president or members of congress, people on capitol hill they are part of the government. They are trying to represent a number of different factions throughout the country. The government, when it was found it was supposed to be limited and small i think its time has gone on the country has grown with a population and its diversity. People think the government is supposed to do certain things for them when that was really not the intention. In terms of what people are going to vote on the choices that they may have now especially comes to Biden Versus Trump, even if people are dissatisfied they start voting on issues that affect them which is why the democrats are worried about this economic message in their pushing the bidenomics narrative it. People go to the polls and say this is a choice he is in the choices available what is affecting me . What do i care most about . Democrats are getting out to the polls on the issue of abortion. At the end of the day people may say they will or will not vote for a certain candidate but when it comes to specific issues they look at their choices and say who represents me the most . In terms of trump and him being number one in the polls by 40 points or 30 points consistently i would never underestimate the power of unfinished business. And he certainly has that including a movement behind him which is why you are seeing this match up again in 2024 rather than a different republican who is unable to break through on the national stage. Can i just answer that he think its a really smart point if you notice joe bidens Campaign Motto is finish the job. Both candidates are saying they have unfinished business. Going into 2024. Which probably makes it easier for people to say these are the guys were going to go with. Trey there is no one in the world i would rather discuss awful dreadful news within the two of you. So the next time i have a laundry list of really awful things too. Pickwick sunset next sunday i am sure. [laughter] works i will have you both on. Or im going to take that billion dollars in mid to Pawleys Island and South Carolina in the meantime thank you both for joining us On A Sunday Night hope you all have a great weekend. Greg q2, thanks trey. Thank you. Thank you all. We know the country is in significant debt and runs an annual deficit. There is nothing earth shattering about that. But Budget Experts are warning it may be even worse than we thought. The deficit even after covid and after withdrawing from afghanistan is expected to be double what was projected. It is one thing to take on a tough year but when you cannot even make ends meet in a good year something is systemically flawed. People say they want a balanced budget they want to eliminate the deficit and paid on the debt. But are we really prepared to live with the consequences of less spending and our lawmakers prepared to vote for . Our president s ready to sign it. Mike represent the great state of new york and congress will he serves on the Financial Services committee. He joins us now. Congressman thank you for joining us. Democrats of the tax rates are not high enough or more things should be text republicans want less spending. So how is this ever going to be resolved if each size has a fundamentally different explanation for why we are where we are . Listen, we do not have a Revenue Problem in this country. We have a Record Revenue is the issue is that we keep spending more than we have. This administration over the prior two years increased spending by over 5 trillion. The administration before that obviously increase spending as well. Both parties frankly have been irresponsible and reckless. Im driving up our spending. Driving up the National Debt we are 32 trillion. But we blocked off 89 of the budget we said it is untouchable we are not going to touch it. We are fighting over 11 of spending nationwide. You look at a state like new york that i represent they are facing a 9 billiondollar Budget Deficit next year a 13 billiondollar Budget Deficit the year after any 36 billion revenue shortfall. These are significant challenges at the federal and state level. If we do not get serious about rightsizing government, reining in outofcontrol spending and getting back within our means were going to go broke. Trey are at congress when you raise a point that cannot be raised enough. I just wonder how many of your constituents my former constituents understand how little of the pie is being fought over because so much of the spending is a mandatory or socalled mandatory spending and honestly congressman i do not hear the president ial candidates talking about mandatory spending or entitlement reform. They have to know what you and i know which is how important it is to solving this problem. So, if they know its important and they arent talking about it why would that be . Because its obviously the third rail of politics and people do not want to engage on something until they are forced to. The reality is if we do nothing on Social Security and medicare both programs are going to go broke. And so we are going to have to do without long term. I think both parties need to be part of the solution youre not going to be able to solve this with just one party. Because of it being the third rail in the political football that it is, both the parties need to get serious about it. I think obviously you look back two years past we have had commissions. We have looked at ways to do it in a bipartisan manner to deal with the longterm ramifications of Social Security and medicare. These are vital programs that our seniors rely on. Its promises that we have made and we need to fulfill. We have to make sure both programs are sustainable for the long term. So its going to require both parties being serious about it. The fact is we were talking about 11 of the budget which was discretionary spending. We blocked off defense pretty blocked off veterans who blocked off Social Security and medicare. So were only talking about 11 we are fighting 2. 1 trillion in savings over six years it is still nowhere near enough to deal with our Budget Deficits stop borrowing at the levels that we are. Bidenomics has been a complete disaster. It gave us record inflation. We are borrowing a graders at levels that we have it is unsustainable. Trey thank you for joining us On A Sunday Night congressman. Much appreciated thanks trey pickax coming up Alex Murdaugh is seeking another trustee during Jury Tampering by the clerk of court for all people jim griffin joins us next onusin Sunday Night In America. Smart bankers. Convenient tools. Boom. One bank with the power of both. Chase. Make more of whats yours. Today, my friend you did it, you did it, you did it. Centrum silver is now clinically shown to support Cognitive Health in older adults. Its one more step towards taking charge of your health. So every day, you can say, youuu did it with centrum silver. Youve worn many hats, from past jobs in fact. Now, you can trade in those hats to help earn your grad cap your past experience can help you earn your degree faster and for less. Trey welcome back to sunday night and america paid the Double Murder Trial of Alex Murdaugh gripped the country for months when it was all said and done murdaugh was convicted of murdering his wife and son and sentenced to life without parole yes to be the obligatory appeals but eventually they murdaugh case would fade from the headlines replaced by some other horrific crime. And yet murdaugh is still in the news at leveling one of the most serious allegations you can possibly level which is Jury Tampering. Trial lawyers cannot talk to members of the jury except in court. In fact judges tell the jury you may see the lawyers on the sidewalk or walking into the courthouse or maybe at lunch. But the lawyers cannot speak to you. At all. Not even hello. So do not consider them rude, consider them a Rule Followers but witnessed often times cannot speak to one another during trial. But the roles are different for clerk of court admittedly. The clerk is the liaison between the court and the jury communicating logistics about lunch orders or questions or when court begins. There is no question the clerk interacts with the jury. But never about the facts. Never about the law and never about the credibility of a witness. The lawyers for Alex Murdaugh filed a motion asserting the clerk in the murdaugh case inserted herself in an unlawful way. It is a very serious allegation which if proven could lead to a new trial for Alex Murdaugh. Lets find out what the facts are and if there is another side to the story. We are joined by one of Alex Murdaughs lawyers and host of the podcast the presumption. Mr. Jim griffin. Mr. Griffin, you have been in lots of court room throughout your career state and federal you are a very experienced trial lawyer. Tell us precisely what the clerk of court is alleged to have done or said. Thanks for having me trey. After the trial we had heard that perhaps there was some improper contact with the jury during the course of the trial we reach out to jurors to interview them. It took a while to break down the barriers. But ultimately we were able to interview a few jurors. The information they provided us under oath sworn Affidavit State essentially the following. The clerk of court went into the jury room on the day the defense started putting up their case that i started putting up evidence and alex defense the clerk says quote you all will hear things that will throw you off. Do not let this distract you. And another sworn affidavit says the clerk of court right before alex began to test if i said dont be fooled watching closely. Look at his movements. And it goes on the information in the affidavits right before the jury began to deliberate the clerk says this should not take you long for the clerk also said if it goes past 11 youre going to be sequestered and no one had been warned that was a possibility. There were six jurors who smoked on the jury they were not permitted to go have a smoke break until a verdict was reached. Theres a lot of irregularities that have been reported to us. And so now its lead is investigating the ag is investing filed a motion asking for a new trail we have not had a hearing yet we hope to have an evidentiary hearing to address those. Trey, youve been on courtrooms long enough. We prosecuted cases together. What we found out from that Jury Interviews was jawdropping. I have never heard of such have never seen of such an ive been practicing law for some 37 years. It is very disturbing what is been reported to us. Trey when you are at laying it out, jim that is what prosecutors do. Prosecutors are the one that say dont rely on the testimony of a defendant. Those it sounded like Closing Arguments he clerk was making which leads me too wonder this, that she admit these interactions . Or are we headed toward a factual dispute where a judge is going to have to decide who is telling the truth . We have not heard from the clerk so i cannot