Creating impact beyond one statistical importance. Morbid acts bring attention. Suffering expands from the victims outward. The media enlarges the impact. We can help it. Its our job but it only makes it more likely to happen again. Those new ripples persuade another person dying for infamy. Why do celebrities unleash tantrums . Perhaps they wish to create an impact beyond their minor importance too. The only solution recognize what underlies the crime, a thirst for infamy. Then deny it. Citizens out there willing to risk their lives. Preventing further bloodshed. The Silver Lining is that local heroes who risked it all to stop the horror. A good guy with a gun and a good guy with a truck, two thinks the media hates. Despite being terrified and nearby stephen grabbed his gun and shot the suspect. It is still pretty awful but at least this pair made it slightly less so. Those are pebbles that deserve the wider ripple. Two pebbles with the impact of a million rocks. Here is tape of jonny lang and dorff, the guy who chased down the suspect. I pulled up on the intersection and i saw the shooter coming from the cars. His vehicle was parked, door open, engine running. Him in the neighbor across the street were coming out about the same time exchanging fire and as he came up, i never got a look at him. I never really saw him. I just saw the gun fire. The shooter got in his truck, the gentleman with the rifle came to my truck as the shooter took off and he briefed me quickly on what had happened and said we have to get him. Thats what i did. Greg its amazing, the good guy with the gun was terrified but he still did this. The deplorables. Its a fact, a gun attack, the outcome and the arrival of a second gun. Dana langendorf, basically because he was a trained, lawful gun owner who was able to act quickly, hopefully able to stop more carnage. We dont know exactly. If you look at johnny there, able to so calmly explained the situation and what they did. You do have to wonder, if you were in that situation, could you have been as brave . I think in these communities, they figure they have no choice. If they waited for the police officers, you are in a rural area, it could take another 45 minutes to an hour. Greg thats an important point. The fact that these folks have to have guns because this is a population, 400 or 800 people, im not sure. I dont know if they have their own police force. Maybe they have one guy. I dont know. Jesse hollywood doesnt understand that because theyve never been to that part of texas and i dont know the difference between a semi auto and automatic. Enough of the lectures. There is such hypocrisy when it comes to Mass Shootings in terror attacks. Look what happened in new york city, after that have been you had a muslim kill a bunch of innocent people, and the hollywood people said lets not attack islam. But then when some crazy guy shoots a bunch of christians in a church, the hollywood people attack christians for praying. They are so quick to politicize a mass shooting but all of a sudden theres a terror attack in this country and oh, we cant politicize it at all. Chelsea handler. My goodness. She didnt say word on twitter when the new york city terror attack happened and now she is tweeting up a storm when this happens. You also have the fact that she says all republicans are to blame when theres a mass shooting. Well, when a muslim kills a bunch of christians in this country, she doesnt say all muslims are to blame. Holly hollywood makes so much money on glamorizing gun violen. You have radical ideologies and terrorist situations that unite these people. Theres usually an immigration or foreign element involved as well. But when you have a mass shooter, theres almost never a foreign situation. Its always someone snapped like this. Its very easy, or easier to wage war against terrorism because there is trace evidence. There is a foreign situation. You know they want to kill all of us just because we are americans, but you cant fight a war against crazy. Anyone can flip on a dime like that do unspeakable things to anybody at any time. I think regular americans understand the difference. Hollywood doesnt. Greg i would say Chelsea Handler was drunk when she did those tweets but thats an insult to alcohol. I would never do that. Kimberly, this is donald trump labeling the incident as a Mental Health problem. I think Mental Health is your problem here. Based on preliminary reports, very deranged individual. A lot of problems over a long period time. We have a lot of Mental Health problems in our country, as do other countries. But this isnt a guns situation. We could go into it but its a little bit too somebody else had a gun shooting in the opposite direction otherwise it wouldve been much worse. Greg focusing on not the tools but the intent. You have a person who is mentally ill with a gun and you have a person who is a good person with a gun. Im not so sure though that once you label it a Mental Health problem, what do you do next. A lot of people miss half the shooters during obamas presidency had sought psychological help. Nobody caught them before him. Kimberly thats what makes it extremely challenging. People struggle and they want to grasp at something. How to explain it and make sense of it. Yes, you are blame the weapon or implementation of evil whether its a vehicle, a gun. In this situation, the laws were followed. He wasnt allowed to carry. He was allowed to own weapons but not to carry on his person. He is violating the law there. Clearly an individual who has a very disturbed past. Assaultive conduct, Domestic Violence, you name it. A lot of anger directed at his former inlaws, at christians, at the situation, what happened with the military where he blamed his exwife. This is somebody who had made these kind of threats before. The exact type of individual that you dont want to be in possession of a weapon like this. Never the less, its a tragic situation. He was very angry about the church and christians and an atheist. Theres a whole post of things here that came together in a perfect storm of violence and a horrific loss of life. Greg you have 330 million people. How do you handle, like, you dont know how can you predict Something Like that . There are a lot of people who dont like their inlaws. 99. 9 oh do not kill a church full of people because they dont like their inlaws. I want to ask you about why this debate never seems to go anywhere. Immediately after, people impugn other peoples motives. They say you are part of the nra coming of blood on your hands. Theres never any factual backup to these smears. If we want to talk about something, rather than predictably choosing our side, wouldnt it be better instead of impugning our motives, talking about it, right . Juan of course. But the larger point is when you made at the top which is that nothing ever gets done. I think theres a reason nothing ever gets done if you look at the political structure. It is such that the nra puts a huge amount of money into candidates and they made it so that greg you keep juan for republicans, its difficult as and going to challenge the nra. Im going to take even moderate steps. Hang on. Its fine, but i dont interrupt you. Greg these are questions. Juan fine. All of you have been talking about mental illness. Okay, so if a republican was to say lets take some steps in terms of limiting access especially to assault weapons from people who have demonstrated Mental Health problems, guess what, the nra would go after it. They would say this person is not going to be elected. Donald trump got a tremendous amount of money from the nra. What is he saying, maybe its a mental illness. Its early to talk about it. With this point, it is so tired. Greg i dont know juan people say its about hollywood . Hollywood . Forget hollywood. This is about 26 people dead while they are in church. Its unbelievable. Five weeks after some nutcases firing at people at a concert. It goes on and on in america. They had a shooting in colorado. Three people dead. We had another shooting yesterday even before this one. Two people dead. It goes on. Every day the carnage. You talk about chicago and yet why does nothing get done . In my opinion because of the power of the nra and the power of people who say you know what, i think this is now a cultural highly politicized issue. If you are a good conservative, you are all about gun rights at any cost, and thats terrifying. Greg you are impugning the fact okay an nra member doesnt want to get anything done. The overwhelming number of nara people are people who know how to use guns. They are lawabiding. Juan i didnt say nra members. Nra members do want something. It is the nra. Greg the nra wants more mass killings . Juan know, for example, Something Like a bump stock. Do you think anything got done . Do you think republicans kimberly i think they are working on it. Yes, they are reviewing it. Juan i am saying the politicians. Kimberly i get it but i think its an oversimplification to pigeonhole this. Nra members are represented by the nra. They dont like this anymore than anyone else. They dont want you to take their guns so they cant be there to defend their family and their loved ones. Thank god the lawabiding patriot came in and stepped up. Juan this is the argument. A good guy with a god will stop a bad guy with a gun. The good guys with the guns werent there in time to stop 26 people from losing their lives. What i am saying is in the moment she was running away. At the moment, what we have is a situation where the nra reacts to people to people who are on their right who wont leave and less in terms of gun control. They are pushing and pushing and pushing. Nothing in terms of jesse i cant let you get away with this, juan. To say that the shooter was already running away when the heroic guy stepped in with a legally weapon. To denigrate his heroism. Juan what i am saying to you is he was leaving. Jesse he was already leaving. Greg this is where it ends up, no agreement. We learned more today about the loser who targeted the church. New details on the victims of the massacre, a live update from texas. Thats next. Liberty mutual stood with me when i was too busy with the kids to get a repair estimate. Liberty did what . Yeah, with Liberty Mutual all i needed to do to get an estimate was snap a photo of the damage and voila voila i wish my Insurance Company had that. Wait hold it. Hold it boys. Theres supposed to be three of you. 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We know that he had made threatening he she had reced threatening texts from him. We cant go into detail about the domestic situation thats continuing to be investigated. We wanted to get that out there, this wasnt over religious beliefs. It was a domestic situation involved. Kimberly investigators telling the Texas Church Massacre domestic situation between the families of the gunmen. They do not believe this was a religiously motivated attacks. Lets go to adam housley live on the scene and scene in Sutherland Springs with more on the developments from today. Clearly the shooter had a troubled past. Information coming out today. A stunning press conference, a number of headlines. One of them that surprised a lot of us, the connection to the location behind me was the exmotherinlaw. We find out he was married twice, to coat troubled marriages. Also in trouble for cracking the skull of his infant stepson. Clearly this individual had a lot of problems. Some answers may never be found. I want to talk more about those were still fighting for their lives. 15 people in the hospital. We do know at University Medical center alone, one child died sadly, being treated. There ares still three more children fighting for their lives and three adults. In the community, people are still trying to understand. There is still a lot of shock. I talked to a man making sandwiches for a lot of people. He says he knew everybody in there. Everybody knows everybody. This is smaller than a small town. This isnt theres not even a main street here. Its just a small farming community. One of our junior reporters was at a cafe. Its video we will have later on for you. The posts he sent me are unbelievable. I wont use the womans name because we dont know if the family has been notified. My friend and her two kids. She was pregnant. They passed away. This is the best little town, its a loving community. We will Work Together to help each other. Another lady. She was a regular lady. She was a stay at home mom who took really good care of her kids. They came in or after church on sundays. They have one more daughter in the hospital. Her husband has already lost three. Hopefully she will pull through. Thats what people are dealing with here right now. Its truly hard to even express on television. There is no answers. Right now, theres a lot of questions. As you can tell at this hour, theres a lot of family here that needs to be healed and everybody knew everyone. Back to you in new york. Kimberly such compelling reporting, adam. Makes you feel for these families were suffering and have lost so much. So many casualties. A number of family members passed away. The pastors daughter. When you hear about the loss of life of a child, very disturbing. You are at a loss. What could have stopped this or preventative . Dana i think thats why you see the frustration. The reaction is do something. Theres a lot of people who could be for doing something if you could define what that something is. To show that there is actual evidence that it could improve. Not too long ago, a woman she worked at the maritimes. She wrote a long piece. She was for gun control but everything she looked at when it came to evidence and data shows it actually doesnt work. I think there would be people willing to look at either changing laws or closing loopholes or whatever it might be. But the conversation never seems to get to that point. Im not sure why it shuts down. It could be because of what we were talking about previously. Theres other questions which is why wasnt he in jail . If this is the kind of violence he perpetrated on the child, then what happened there . Obviously he did a lot of illegal things. Could there have been anything done to prevent him from getting a weapon . I dont know. Kimberly felony conviction. Dana it sounds like the right thing to say at the time of the answers are a lot less satisfying. Juan what you just, strong, he attacked a child. Its not only that kimberly the ex wife and child. Juan two marriages. The thing that caught my attention earlier was reading that his childhood friend said that between the sixth and ninth grade, his parents had him on extensive meds, psychological meds. This was someone who ive trouble and is known in this very small community, 400 people. Imagine. 10 of the community and church yesterday morning. It comes back to what President Trump said, its if its a Mental Health issue, maybe there is something we can do. Jesse i can agree on a few things. Juan and i right now. If you are on antipsychotic medications. If you have been convicted of cracking and infants skull, beating your wife, having bad conduct discharge from the u. S. Military serving 12 months in confinement. Why is he legally allowed to purchase a firearm in texas or colorado . Or anywhere . Is it legal to purchase a firearm in this country with that kind of criminal history . Kimberly well, first of all, he lied. Jesse how did he get the weapon . Kimberly checked the box he indicating he didnt have disqualifying history. If you are convicted of anything like that, felony, salt. Jesse if you are a bad person, youre going to check a box alive. Run this guys background check through the National Registry system. How did it not flag this guys history . Juan we were just talking. Kimberly was thinking did have a record but it was a misdemeanor. Apparently that doesnt keep you from buying a gun in texas. Kimberly misdemeanor Domestic Violence, assault of conduct. We see these cases escalate. Los angeles and san francisco. The deadliest calls for cops to go to in Law Enforcement are Domestic Violence situations. Often times the weapon is turned on the police officer. Greg its interesting. I have the facts here from john lott. 2010, 73,000 denials of gun purchases going through the check. Only 13 convictions from that because there were so many false positives. I have three solutions that i hammer. One of them is when you do research on media reports of high status suicides, they are correlated to an increase in suicides, copycats especially among young teens. We talked about the tv show on netflix the kids watched. We know mass shooters are often enamored by the press clippings of previous and they want to beat the score. Thats a fact. Number two, solutions. Identify soft targets and harden them. Hire somebody. We used to do earthquake training. You could do something in a couple weeks, teach people how to react, have an escape route, those kinds of things. This is the last one, have a good guy with a gun. Mr. Williford was a former nra instructor. They are probably all over the community. You pay five bucks an hour, they would probably do it for free. Somebody was there too hard and soft targets. There are a lot of retired people, retired police officers, retired instructors, retired hunters who know how to handle a gun because they have been trained. Dana there was a guy at the 2 00 show. He has a Business Training volunteers. Now its an organization. Specifically for houses of worship so you co