Drastic. If you want to prove a need for the wall, said 1,000 people to our border as a political stunt. I mean, are we sure trump didnt plan this . He will never get a better visual aid for his argument. All societies frown on line cutting. The exception, dire need. Thats why the caravan backfired. It was political, calculated, designed to challenge the idea of a border. It hurts everyone who really wants to come here. Just ask anyone who did it legally. You wonder why trumps approval climbs. This story is the longterm trend, not the absolute level. Why the rise, even if the media pushes collusion, stormy, and chaos. Could it be america loves the underdog . The media has made trump into that very thing by relentlessly demonizing him. Despite a panicky press, issues seem to matter more to you within the medias mud. Perhaps those obsessing over the latest rumor may actually be helping trump out. How hilarious. The same network that elected trump, cnn, may end up reelecting him. Jesse come every time something happens immigration wise, its not about the wall. Its about trump. They canceled the caravan. The caravan was coming here. They canceled it. Because of trumps reaction. Ergo trump is the jesse can you use the line you used . Greg caravan became caravant. Jesse when obama says National Guards, hes considered tough. Trump doesnt, hes considered racist. President trump continuing i think the reason his popularity is going up is he is defending the country. All hes doing is defending the country. Defending workers wages, defending that territorial integrity. National security. The Border Patrol agents themselves want the wall. Lets give the workers what they want. I thought thats what democrats wanted, juan. If you are antiwall and antitroops on the border, you must be procartel. All of the heroin coming across from mexico, the cartels are sending it. Every time a migrant pays a coyote, the coyote pays the cartel. The only thing thats going to stop the cartels are a wall and troops. How else are you going to fight the cartels . Illegal immigration costs this country hundred Million Dollars a year. The wall costs 200 billion. The wall cost 20 billion. Im not very good at math. To spend 20 to say 100, that makes sense to me. Greg juan, i think he directed at you. You are from the cartel. Juan i know. I know. The thing about listening to jesse is you dont know where to start. You listen. For example, do you know that most Illegal Drugs do not come across the southern border. Jesse heroin is coming across the southern border. Juan might retype something. More people are killed by prescription drugs used illegally. Its Something Like two times as many as People Killed by heroin. In terms of jesse we are fighting that crisis as well. Juan slowed down. If you cant won when i talk, i understand. Otherwise let me talk. You have a situation where if you say this is because we want to stop drugs, it doesnt make sense because guess what . So many of the drugs are not coming across the border. They are coming from legal ports of entry where they are in airplanes or ships and secretly stationed there. Thats how they they are getti, not across the border. Jesse wrong. Juan asked the people at the Drug Enforcement agency. Thats what they say. Greg why are the people who work on the grateful so work on the border so grateful to President Trump . Juan if this was for people, you would be saying those poor people, he does want the government to come in. Why are we spending money for nothing . Jesse the Border Patrol workers are the only government workers you dont support. Juan i support everyone, especially the fbi and cia, always beleaguered by the president. Kimberly changing subjects. Juan it so important to say what we have here is a president whos desperate. I think he is so upset by ann coulter attacking him for his failure to build a wall or gain funding for the wall that now he says im going to send troops. Jesse, here is another thing you are wrong on. Obama and boorse and troops. Guess what. They sent them one command a situation where those young people, the children were coming in big numbers. And to add administrative aid. Jesse those guys were making sandwiches. Juan he said he wants to send them this is such baloney. Kimberly im going to shut you both down. Im going to build a wall right here. Here is one of the most ridiculous thing juan just said, which is that ann coulter is like helen of troy and the president got so upset with ann coulter being upset that hes now sending all of the troops. Shes worried about it. Juan he is worried that ann coulter represents how many of the trump people. He is going to build a wall. There is no wall. Kimberly he is going to build it. We have to mimic juan because then he understands. He is going to build a wall and hes going to enforce the laws on the books. Uphold immigration and make sure we prevent illegal entry. What is wrong with that . This is about being for justice and honoring the laws on the books. Juan my responses most Illegal Immigrants overstay their visas. They dont come across any border, including our southern border. We enforce the laws. Kimberly they shouldnt be doing that either. Greg dana, welcome to the show. Good to have you here. Dana thank you. Greg when i look at donald trump, i assume he has no ideology because everything seems to change. I think his ideology is based on ordering the idea that cutting in line in any shape or form is seen as somehow wrong. Dana there is a fundamental value of fairness that runs through everybody. In any culture, children, everybody understands fairness. As you get older, you add things onto back. The poll numbers they wanted to bring up, gallup had one that, it wasnt specific to President Trump but its about this moment in time. It is the first time in many years young people, now majority, 61 believe they will be better off than their parents. From 2009 to maybe last year, that number was almost below 50 of people started worrying about the american dream. Every generation had done bette better. The economy as part of that. Perhaps law order as well as but the fairness issue is one that everybody can understand. Greg i think thats why the caravan presented such a visual. People laugh about the wall. But then you have this caravan and you go, the only thing that can stop a caravan is a wall. Dana the government of honduras is not happy with the caravan. The hondurans have tried to be helpful to the president. They are cooperative on the dea issue. Theyre asking for support and help. Nikki haley promised they would have more of it. And remember they were one of the only two countries, honduras and guatemala, that backed up the president when he wanted to move the embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem. Jesse i would like to pose this question to juan. We have a nice cafe underneath the building. People lined up and get salads. Lets pretend you are lined up for a salad and you see someone egregiously cut in front of you and start ordering a salad in front of you. Do you think thats fair, juan . Why is it fair when illegal aliens across the southern border and cut in line for everyone else was waiting to become u. S. Citizens . Juan who said it was fair . Jesse you you dont mind if they are coming in. Juan i never said any such thing. Thats your character because he cant deal with the real argument. The real argument is so that have 9071 at this low a level. You have your guy, the guy that you and greg are trumpeting. Greg i dont trumpet. You are better than that, juan. Juan while you are saying hosanna to trump, there is no reality except that he is like the guy on the corner. I would send troops to the border. Im a tough guy. Jesse 300,000 illegal aliens caught crossing the border last year. Think about the ones we didnt catch. Seems like a log. Juan seems like we have bigger problems. [all speaking] greg kimberly, wrap it up. Kimberly i think the thing is the president is going to do whatever it takes to honor his promises. It is something hes quite serious and consistent about about enforcing the borders and the laws may be needs to send troops come hes going to do it. Its within his right and his authority to do so. Greg this is the guy who ran on law and order. The three legged stool. National security, border, law enforcement. Kimberly 99 members of ms13 arrested yesterday. Greg guncontrol activists lashing out at the nra for yesterdays attack and youtube. As a control enthusiast, im allbusiness when i travel. Even when i travel. For leisure. 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Greg i dont think this is the conversation that leads to Actual Solutions. Emotional anger. You want a conversation with result. If you look at Something Like the five, we have been talking about a database. We have been talking about civil tags for people, felons, people who are unstable. That is happening. New york is doing a red flag policy on domestic abusers. Libertarians, they dont like me when i talk about this but this is an actual, you are targeting the person or not the system. It actually could have prevented things like this. We know the police had contacted this woman after the parent called and said she might be a threat. The needle was placed back in the haystack. You can have a conversation about Actual Solutions but youve got to be rational about it. Thats how they got to the civil tags for domestic abusers. Jesse this was a pretty irrational. By this actor. Hes not even taking into consideration any of the facts. He is saying i dont even care what the facts are. The nra is at fault. Dana, does not show you that kneejerk reaction to these shootings. Dana thats a lot of what twitter is. I think the conversation in addition to one greg is talking about, if he wants to train his frustration and anger, why not to the system with the police who were informed by the father she is unstable. She might go after, shes mad at the business. Perhaps she doesnt fit a profile. Hes not on this red flag list. Its very unusual for a woman to go to a place of business and commit Workplace Violence and a shooting like this. But weve seen this is a pattern across the system. This is not just the police in san bruno. This is happening repeatedly. We do need to have some other way to address this stuff. If you want to save lives. If you want to have a debate on twitter, we can do that. Jesse we can. And you will lose. Kimberly, that shooting shattered all the myths weve heard, at least all the narratives about these white male shooters that are crazy and they go in and blast away. This was a female, iranian immigrant. A vegan, animal activist, obviously a mentally unstable person. With a 9millimeter. Not a rifle. Goes in and commit this atrocity. Kimberly im glad you threw in vegan. Why dont they think about the fact that its not about the weapons . Its about the individual. Why dont these people actually provide for Safe Environments for their employees and have proper security et cetera, just like we need proper security at schools and at movie theaters and other places, venues, whether it is a club. Any place thats a soft target. I was in texas yesterday. I felt very safe. I was like, you know what, nobody is coming in this place to rob it or shoot it out. I was very relaxed and i had some extra ribs. You see the signs on the walls and i thought to myself very interesting certain places you know, and they make it clear nobody is coming in there to mess around. They will move met with deadly force if they do. Jesse thats right. California, varying stringent gun control. Sometimes laws and more rules and regulations, you cant always stop these crazy people. Juan i must have missed the preshow meeting. The graveyard is getting crowded with americans whove been shot because of the easy access to guns. I never heard of this guy, Michael Ian Black. I wouldnt know if he was if he jumped in and said lets have lunch but i will tell you this is what he wrote. He said i assume nothing about the shooters motives or affiliations. But i assert easy access to firearms in this country makes the nra and accessory to what happened. Now, to me, this is the important point. We have too easy access to guns. You have someone crazed were disturbed or someone mad at their wife or husband. In the case of texas, some very famous shootings like at the university of texas many years ago, shootings happen everywhere. Its because guns are plentiful. You get a gun. Greg we started this off and i said that the only way to a practical solution is not beginning with, like, we have to make a Sweeping Change with guns because we know thats not going to happen. When i talked about is what they are asking for, several tag a risk based on a judges decision from talking to teachers or officers. That would have stopped it. Juan republicans in congress. President trump initially seemed like he was interested in this. This. Have they done anything . Greg i think it is happening. Its happening in new york. Juan when local jurisdictions do something, why can our government help . Jesse it is a statebystate issue. If id seen the videos she put out on youtube, i might slap a civil tag based on that alone. Greg i feel bad for her parents. To know there is something wrong with your kid and you call the police and say, you know, the parents to the right thing. They saw something. They said something. Jesse i dont know what the police could have done. They found her in her car. She said she slept and she was running away from her parents. Its a tragedy. Pretty Significant Development on the Russian Investigation involving President Trump. Up next. Do ndo not misjudgenity quiet tranquility. With the power of 335 turbocharged horses lincoln mkx, more horsepower than the lexus rx350 and a quiet interior from which to admire them. The lincoln spring sales event is here. For a limited time get zero percent apr on the lincoln mkx. Hurry in today to your lincoln dealer. Kimberly an update on the special counsels russia probe. Fox news has confirmed Robert Mueller informed President Trumps legal team that the president is not a criminal target in the investigation but is considered a subject or a witness. Our source said mueller was at the meeting in the conversation was in the context of a possible interview with mr. Trump. This doesnt mean the president is completely unclear yet. Here is trey gowdy. When i heard that come i wasnt sure what it meant. You never know where the facts are going to take you. I think if we werent in a political environment, he probably wouldnt have said that. You generally dont tell people you are not under investigation because you dont know what the next witness is going to say. This is such a weird hybrid of criminality and politics that i think he felt a special obligation to stay low, you are not the target of the investigation. But if the next witness says something different, it can change. If you were his attorney, he wouldnt have a sigh of relief. Heavens no. I will have a sigh of relief when the investigation is over and even then maybe not. Kimberly these two together. Greg when i heard Brian Kilmeades voice, i am going, why does he have to ruin everything . Kimberly you are a hater. Greg they are sending counselors to msnbc because their narrative is dead. Whats next . He was hitler, mentally unstable, he was a bigot, collusion. Why do they get creative and say donald trump is a robot . You havent used that yet. The weird thing is, in new york, or d. C. , if you are not surviving and living off every mueller rumor, there has to be something wrong with you. I try to maintain a rational detachment but thats like being a dodgers fan in a yankees bar. I look at this stuff and i go, let it rollon. Why why do we have to keep, i dont know. Kimberly exactly. Dana this leak to whoever it was. Other sources and we had a source that confirmed the meeting. One of the president s former lawyers, probably having a good time talking to reporters. Jesse which one . Dana there is a few. This is a distinction without a difference. What you learn is that if you are not the target, you are a subject. Its nothing different from a month ago to today to three months ago to perhaps three months from now. To that point, i do think that if you remember last may when the investigation started under mueller. There was indication they wante