Other measures the union says are needed to address inequality including medicare for all, wealth tax on billionaires and defunding the police. Bring an hour panelist. Dan henninger, kim strassel and holman jenkins. Welcome to you all. Kim, lets start with the threshold question, our schools safe for children to return to . All of the evidence youve been reading so far suggest that they are. Weve had this experiment in European Countries where kids have been back at school, we know kids tend to not contract the disease, they dont seem to be spreaders of the disease for the most part and obviously they manage the disease better if they do get it. That has to be measured against the real problem of not having in Person Learning. Paul what about teenagers . With younger children, the evidence is pretty definitive but what about teenagers who seem to be more transmissible . Yes, they are more transmissible and i think thats why you see the School Districts that are planning to have in Person Learning and reopening are making distinctions between high schoolers, middle schoolers and grade schoolers in terms of safety protocols they implement. At least in theory, kids get older, they can be expected to follow rules a little better so they can do social distancing at higher levels. Paul what about the teachers . Piercing we have to be safe, too. They can wear a mask, they can keep 6 feet away from the students. Its not really about a real threat to teachers going back to school, this is not a serious proposal, its causing the country for the kids to stay out of school. They are trying to establish government workers dont have to work to get paid. Work is optional. I think this is part of the progressive drift towards a universal basic income. Paul whats the evidence about how well virtual instruction has done for children . The evidence ive seen is not very encouraging that kids actually learn much. Have a friend who is a teacher in new york city, its completely worthless. The kids dont show up, the teachers cant figure out whos there and whos not, they dont take attendance. It depends on the schools, too. People dont have an incentive to do well the students leave them and go somewhere else. Its not a better solution than having kids in the classroom and probably never will be. Paul while the l. A. Public schools are saying were not going to open the Catholic Schools in los angeles are saying they will reopen. Some of that may be because they are under a lot more competition from charters and so on, they dont have the luxury that state schools do but why cant Public School with more resources . The Catholic Schools, are under tremendous financial pressure. Seventeen archdiocese of new york recently announced 17 schools in the city would be closed for financial reasons and some of the private charters under financial pressure as well. One could argue the unions militating against the reopening of schools to put the competition out of business, especially Charter Schools. They have targeted Charter Schools. Schooling typically is a local issue and probably this needs to be handled on a statebystate issue. Tremendous surges going on in texas and florida. If i were a parent there with schoolaged children, id be a little concerned. On the other hand, look at new york which went through a terrible experience, their Positivity Rate is now down near 1 . The caseload is absolutely flat in new york and new jersey and yet, they are not saying whether they will reopen the schools. How can they keep pushing this out into the future . Yes, its a dilemma but once you get the virus under control, surely pressure should build to get the schools reopen. Paul holman mentioned the demands in los angeles are a political act to get more money. Do you agree with that . Its that and even more. Theyre not just demanding more money and greater 50 protocols but social revolution, medicare for all to the end of Charter Schools to higher taxes on billionaires and millionaires. It has to do with economic demands, broader societal change, nothing to do with education. Paul a closer look at the economic and political fallout from the coronavirus spike when we come back. California shuts down for a second time. Our other states coming up next . Trump shakes up his Reelection Campaign. Economic and political fallout from the rise in coronavirus cases continues to mount this week. Gavin newsom ordering Indoor Service bars, restaurants and movie theaters in the state to close again. President trump shaken up his Reelection Campaign as polls show voters are increasingly dissatisfied with his handling of the crisis. Holman, lets start with the california case. Is the shutdown justified in your view . If the governor feels he has to do something, i dont think the shutdown will fix the problem because i dont think the lockdown caused it. You get outbreaks when people are aggressively mingling. If you dont open the bars, people do it in their houses and church and that sort of thing, its a learning curve. People are beginning to realize it doesnt make sense to go into crowded situations. Its in the hands of the public now. Its taking a while for them to get the message but this might be a little bit of a blip as the country gets that perspective. Paul you dont buy the argument by the colleagues in the media that the state reopened too early . Whenever you reopen, youre going to get a virus outbreak, people going back and socialize and doing the business they used to do if they dont wear a mask, you will get transmission of the virus. You cant keep it locked down forever and even in new york, theres a lot of activity in bars and parties. I think we will see a spike there in the coming weeks, too. People have to decide theyre going to control it and most important, the people most at risk have to keep themselves out of circulation. A mask doesnt do it. You shouldnt go to those situations in the first place if youre highly vulnerable. Paul lets talk about the political consequences. White house staffers taking shots at anthony fauci. Is that smart politics for those kinds of shots . Not at this time. I really dont think so. Doctor fauci is worst Case Scenario guy. Paul thats his job. [laughter] you took the words out of my mouth. Thats his job. It isnt that helpful. I have a degree of sympathy for the white house and the president at this stage. To be sure, the president oversold the white house response. The initial briefings didnt go all that well. This was a new virus. We didnt know that much about it, we know more than we do now. The press kept pushing that they should have perfect knowledge in dealing with the virus, very little was known. Their default was to close down the country which was never realistic. Weve already seen damage its done. We do have surges in some states but we know a lot more, we know much better how to treat people. Remember the great ventilator panic early on . We know ventilators are not advisable now in many cases. I do have some sympathy for the how the white house had to go through that initially and i think theyd be much better off if they addressed the coronavirus for what it is, a serious problem and level with the American People about it. Paul kim, if you believe it, public has soured, the president virus ratings down on the issue. Why do you think that is . I think its for the reasons dan is talking about, if youre out there and say we did a fantastic job and then you see cases spiking all over, theres an obvious disconnect. Thats why dans advice is right, but the president should be doing is saying yes, its serious we are there backing of the governors. The governors need to make these decisions, we are standing by to help and we are also working on the things we can do which are economic revival, trying to get people back to work and making sure congress doesnt make it worse with worse legislation. Thats a better message but its not one they have embraced. Paul you think the Campaign Shakeup is going to make a difference . Id be surprised if it did. They need to fight for the future of the country against democratic left. I dont know if they can be consistent enough, trump never has to make that case against the headwinds because of the pandemic. Paul thanks. Still ahead, another deadly week in american cities. A surge in gun violence continues. A closer look behind the rising crime rate when we come back. There is no acceptable violent protests. Any violent protest will be stopped and there will be consequences involving anyone anywhere whether a protest or anything else assaulting a Police Officer, it is unacceptable and they will suffer consequences. Paul bill de blasio condemning violent attack on Police Officers protest on the Brooklyn Bridge this week. The assault comes in with a spike in Violent Crime in new york and other cities across the country. Along the latest victims, a 1yearold boy killed last week and went to gunman opened fire at a family cookout in brooklyn. Director of legal policy at the manhattan institute. Welcome. Good to see you. Lets talk about this flareup in crime. How serious is it and how widespread . It is quite serious. Its incredibly widespread. Cities new york to chicago, st. Louis, philadelphia, baltimore are seeing these gems. Some have had crime troubles for a good amount of time now but we are seeing now is concerning because its the erosion of the progress weve put in over two decades and i think we are flirting with the prospect of how learning how quickly the progress can be included. Paul what role do you think anti Police Protests in the wake of the George Floyd Killing have played here . I think its a big role when you consider the fact that its an ingredient in a cocktail thats been brewing for some time here in new york. New york has taken a rapid approach to criminal justice reform. In the last few years, we seen progressive district attorneys elected in brooklyn and queens have undertaken both nonviolent and serious offenders including gun offenders. We seen new york city adopt a number of radical criminal justice reforms, having the capacity at 3500 inmates. Its a jail system with 17000 at one time. We seemed the right to know act which requires nypd to affirmatively apprise people of their right to refuse a search. We seen the ending of anti crime units in more recent times. A number of reforms which, when combined with the current moment, i think its making for a lot of what we see in the street. Paul of course now the city council is going to cut the Police Budget by 1 billion out of fivepoint some billion dollar budget. You have reform passed at the state level so some of these offenders arrested for the Assault Police have already been released from jail. With the list you gave here is quite something when you think about it. Are we going to see a big spike in crime that continues . You are young, i am not. Ive been living in new york in the battle of days and i saw the progress made with Rudy Giuliani and other Police Chiefs and michael bloomberg, too. Are we going back to the battle days . We are certainly headed in that direction. Look at the prime numbers now, through july 12, murders are 23 , shootings are up 61 . For people who would say its just a blip, product of the moment we are in our past, consider the twoyear trends. Shootings are up 70 over the last two years in new york city. Murders are up 22 , thats a sustained increase. We keep it up for two years, we will cut into a significant portion, the progress of the last decade. I am younger than you, i was living in new york in the 80s and 90s and remember what it was like growing up during that era. A Police Officer, i remember the worry i felt when my father left the house to go to work. I think we are flirting with the line, if we cross it, a lot of the progress will erode quickly. Especially if we continue to alienate Police Officers who have been on the front lines of pushing back against this trend and one of the other things city council recently did was make it a crime, even if the Police Officer accidentally applies pressure to the suspects chest or back or neck, even for a short period of time and even if theres no injuries sustained by the suspect, to the extent we continue to make policing more risky endeavor legally and physically, as we do this, it will be distant in incentivizing people from taking the job. We seen an increase in retirement thats going to take the city in a much less safe direction. This is not a big crime increase, they will not see a big huge crime increase, its going to be in brooklyn, where people already have enough to deal with and thats what i dont think people are in. Paul thanks for coming and. As democrats and republicans gear up for negotiations over another coronavirus spending package, our panel looks at whats likely to be in it and whether one is needed at all. We urge the president and senate to get on it and help the American People. Help state and local governments by honoring our heroes, opening up our economy in schools by having the equipment needed to do it in the fund to facilitate that. Put money in the pockets of the American People, the time is running out on that. Paul nancy pelosi turning up the pressure on President TrumpSenate Republicans to pass of phase four Coronavirus Relief bill. Democrats pushing for 3 trillion in additional spending including section of the 600 in supplemental Unemployment Benefits which are set to expire at the end of july. Majority Mitch Mcconnell sang new round of negotiations will kick off when lawmakers return to washington next week. Back with Dan Henninger holman jenkins. Dan, you agree phase four spending bill is warranted . I do not. Speakers remarks make me think of the most famous saying of all time, a crisis is a terrible thing to waste. Nancy pelosi and democrats arent wasting this practice. They may be wasting taxpayers money though. Theyre talking about appropriating another several 2 trillion on top of the several trillion that have already been legislated. As republicans have rightly asked, what has happened with the money weve already sent out the, ppp still has money not dispersed so its a question of whether how much good the money has done but its not going to stop nancy pelosi from flooding the economy with money and theres an economic proposition here, put money in peoples pockets. The basic longtime democratic idea that if youre in a weak economy, you flood it with cash to create demand inside the economy . Theres no evidence of demand other to use the money but what she does with the money is appropriated legislated to discrete groups, identifying groups like schools and infrastructure for which they will get political credit, even if the money is dispersed or spent well in the republican challenge is to try to show what the Democrats Gain is, its basically trying to take the country to become dependent on these high spending levels. Paul kim, i agree with all that dan said about the economic need but it looks like its going to happen so, steve nugent, treasury secretary wants another cash payout of 1000 for each person, hes even said he would go with one 100 of wages with another federal Unemployment Insurance benefit, are going to get another 3 billion package . I dont know if its bacon but for those of us dont believe its needed, its simply damage control now. Trying to make this so its not as awful as it could be and to me, some republicans standing up absolutely opposed to the latest proposal. Without a doubt, the worst thing congress did was give the enhanced unemployment and its led to this bizarre anomaly where we have Unemployment Rate of 11 but employers who cannot find people to take jobs because people are getting paid more to sit home and we cannot continue this so some republicans are pushing back on that proposal, the notion of more dollars out that state and local bailout because of what that might go to to backup bad policies like pension so this will be the main game, theres going to be a bill, its just how bad is it . Paul the democrats are saying if you dont have another bill in the economy will fall off a cliff until july 31 when unemployment runs out and you will have them running the course so you will see people not being able to meet mortgages, a lot more default on loans. You buy that scenario at all . You will see people with a great deal more incentive to get back to work when the Unemployment Benefits are gone but theres going to be a washout, does a lot of business is not coming back that need. Were seriously downsized and used federal aid to delay that reckoning. Theres a big problem for the economy and for trump between now and election day but the most important stimulus to get is the stimulus that helps the economy to get moving again, people getting back to work, testing and mask, if you can show the airlines are safe, if they can get people traveling again, that would be a huge stimulus. The worst thing are the programs does incentivizing people to go to work. We have to stop that. Paul you would say the best stimulus is making sure people feel safe to go back to work . I know its a terrible idea but its better than the programs that incentivize people to stay home. Paul thanks. 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