Cities. Look at this melee here in new york city. Police surrounding one man. And when he starts to fight, others jump in. Some throwing punches at the cops. Look at this. Unbelievable. And now tonight for the first time we hear from officer wilson, that he felt he had to shoot Michael Brown because he believed that Michael Brown would kill him. Watch. He threw the first punch . Yes. He threw the first one and hit me in the left side of my face. You know, some of the witnesses have said that they saw you trying to pull him into the car. That would be against every training every taught to any Law Enforcement officer. I just felt the immense power that he had. The way ive described it, it was like a 5yearold holding on to hulk hogan, thats how big this man was. When i said get back or im going to shoot you. Then his response immediately, he grabbed the top my gun. He said youre too much of a [ bleep ] to shoot me. While hes doing that, i can feel his hand coming over my hand and get inside the trigger guard and try and shoot me with my own gun. And thats when i pulled the trigger for the first time. Why not stay in the car, hes running away . Because hes not my job isnt to just sit and wait. I have to see where this guy goes. So you felt it was your duty to give chase . Yes, it was. I mean, thats what were trained to do. When he stopped and turned, he faced me. His right hand immediately goes into his waist band and the left hand at his side and he starts charging me. What did you think when you saw that . My initial thought was was there a weapon in there . Even though he didnt pull something out when he was confronting you . It was just the unknown. Were taught to let me see your hands. Some of the eyewitnesses said when he turned around, he put his hands up. That would be uncorrect incorrect. No way . No way. So you say he starts to run, starts to come towards you. And . At that time i gave myself another mental check, can i shoot this guy . Legally, can i . And the question i answered myself was i have to. If i dont, he will kill me if he gets to me. Even though hes what, 35, 40 feet away . Once hes coming in that direction, if he hasnt stopped yet, when is he going to stop . And youre absolutely convinced when you look through your heart and your mind that if Michael Brown were white, this would have gone down in exactly the same way . Yes. No question . No question. You and your wife i dont even know if this word is appropriate any more. What is your dream Going Forward . Like i said, we just want to have a normal life. Thats it. You have a very clean conscience. The reason i have a clean conscience is because i know i did my job right. Joining us now with reaction, former new york city mayor and former republican president ial candidate rudy giuliani. Good to see you tonight. Good to see you, megyn. Your reaction to what we saw right there . Very powerful. That would have been testimony in front of a jury that would have been hard to convict this man. But heres the amazing thing. I read some of the testimony today. If you look at witness number ten, not identified by name or by race, but im pretty sure an africanamerican from the discussion. He corroborates every single thing that that officer just said including the fact that no one put their hands up. In fact, he came forward because he was angry and offended that people were lying about the fact that he was shot in the back and that brown had put his hands up. Wow, thats amazing. He describes exactly the same thing. The reaching in, the shooting, the fact that the Police Officer got out of the car. The Police Officer yelled to brown. Brown, instead of stopping, ran toward him. The Police Officer shot him two or three times. When brown stopped, the Police Officer stopped shooting. And all of a sudden brown put his head down and came at the Police Officer, he said, Something Like a bull, with his head down as if to come right into him. And thats when the fatal shots were probably shot into the and he came forward because he was so offended by the lies that were being told. You remember, there were four witnesses who said that brown was shot in the back. Not true. Which are total lies. If thats one said that the cop officer wilson was standing over him shooting him. So again disproven completely by the autopsy and the forensics. I disagree with the prosecutor on only one thing. I would prosecute all those people for perjury. Wow, really . Well, to testify falsely in a case in which you can put a man in jail for the rest of his life is an extremely serious but you know how unreliable. I think his belief is according to him is its just unreliablun its not unreliable. These are people who were friends of his, people who have an ax to grind. Its not unreliable that you think you saw hands go up when in fact his hands were down all the time. So will it make any difference . Will his oncamera testimonial and the fact that hes backed up not by one but by several africanamerican witnesses, i want the viewers to know that, because we are told by some that this is all about race. And africanamerican witnesses came forward to say it is not the way folks are telling you. It is the way the officer, it is the way the white officer is telling you. Seven witnesses corroborate his testimony, three of them corroborated completely. The others corroborate portions of it. But does it make a difference . Theyre still on the streets. They still burned dozens of places. I dont know if they care. The racial arsonists in this country have worked people up so much with propaganda that facts dont matter. Justice doesnt matter it isnt justice to put an innocent man in jail. Also every time mr. Brown is described as a young man, people forget he has committed a robbery. In fact, the Police Officer in his testimony said that brown took some of the sig cigarillos pushed them in the car, saying take these, actually proving that he was the robber that the Police Officer was looking for. One of the things that jumped out at me in this interview was how young Darren Wilson seems, 21 years old. Hes a kid. But hes not some seasoned cop whos been on the beat for 30 years. He, too, is a young man. Yes. Who found himself in a very dangerous situation that was not of his own making. This should be described as a Police Officer who shot a man who had committed a robbery. It shouldnt be described as a Police Officer who shot some innocent young boy. He shot a man who had just committed a robbery. Now, its either justified or not, and the facts suggest that its justified. The second thing the prosecutor had to be absolutely aware of is he couldnt possibly have won this case at trial. With all that evidence that supported the Police Officer, but i want to get this thing because were short on time. What weve seen in ferguson last night, so far is much more peaceful tonight. They finally sent in the National Guard thats been there for a week. Why did that happen last night . I dont know. When i was watching your broadcast last night, having had to deal with riots and being very proud of the fact that i had none in the time that i was mayor after two in the years that preceded me, they did one of the most biggest mistakes you could make. They allowed a cooling off period or a venting period. Remember, all that time that rocks were being thrown and cars were being overturned and police were holding back. Police were backing off. The rule is, you can protest all you want. Make all the noise you want. Carry all the signs you want. The minute you throw a rock, you get arrested. The minute you break a window, you get arrested. The minute you break into a store, you get arrested. You make an example out of the early law breakers. The gigante report that was written in 1993 says a coolingoff period becomes a heatingup period and its supported by Academic Research by james t. Wilson. You think this Governor Nixon is in over his head . He looked to me tonight like a very nervous man, not like a man who feels hes in charge of this situation. That can just be my impression from having dealt with lots of emergencies. I didnt hear a lot of clear black line rules about what he expects tonight. What he should have told the people tonight is, you can protest, but if you throw a single rock, the first one that does it is going to jail and the second one and the third one and i have enough jails for all of you. You want to protest, were not breaking any windows, were not breaking any buildings. Were not breaking any laws. Youre all going to jail. And if i need 50,000 cops here and National Guard, theyll be here to do it. Hes under fire from his own Lieutenant Governor tonight. Hell be joining us, the Lieutenant Governor, in a bit. Great to see you. Great coverage last night by the way. Thank you. I appreciate it. Coming up, a closer look at that forensic evidence that convinced the grand jury not to indict officer Darren Wilson, including no pictures including signs of the struggle that took place inside the patrol car and the story of one witness who says people at the scene started to embellish what happened when browns family showed up at the crime scene. A kelly file investigation weve been working on today. Next. Plus, a live look at some of the racially charged statements made by some of the leading voices in the debate. Were watching live pictures in ferguson and well play you some of the racially charged statements that have been bandied about. One local lawmaker today going so far as to say, quote, this is our race war. Really . A powerful debate is next. All across america new york, los angeles, california, cleveland, young people of color are being killed by Police Officers. Introducing the new Philips Norelco shaver series 9000 with Contour Detect Technology that flexes in 8 directions for the perfect shave at any angle. Go to philips. Com new for savings on shavers and trimmers. Innovation and you. Philips norelco. Were celebrating the season with our chicken tortellini alfredo, made with five cheeses, and topped with smoked chicken, add a crisp, classic caesar salad for a pairing that brings comfort and joy to your dinner table. Only at panera bread. Youre down with crestor. Yes when diet and exercise arent enough, adding crestor lowers bad cholesterol up to 55 . Crestor is not for people with liver disease, or women who are nursing, pregnant, or may become pregnant. Tell your doctor all medicines you take. Call your doctor if you have muscle pain or weakness, feel unusually tired, have loss of appetite, upper belly pain, dark urine, or yellowing of skin or eyes. These could be signs of serious side effects. Im down with crestor make your move. Ask your doctor about crestor. [ male announcer ] the rhythm of life. [ whistle blowing ] where do you hear that beat . Campbells healthy request soup lets you hear it in your heart. [ basketball bouncing ] heart healthy. [ mm. ] great taste. [ tapping ] sounds good. Campbells healthy request. Mm mm good. ® but the comfort it provides is its justimmeasurable. Eceest. The america red cross brings hope and help to people in need every 8 minutes, every day. So this season give something that means something. Breaking tonight, a live look at ferguson, missouri, where just about 24 hours ago the city exploded after the grand jury decision came down to not indict Police OfficerDarren Wilson in connection with the death of 18yearold Michael Brown. Tonight new charges that the u. S. Legal system is tainted, broken and racist. All across america whether its in new york, los angeles, california, cleveland, young people of color are being killed by Police Officers. I have never seen a prosecutor hold a press conference to discredit the victim. It feels like weve been given license that when a person is intimidated by a black person in this country, you can pull out your gun and shoot them. Thats very disconcerting. This is st. Louis race war. We didnt have a race war like other cities throughout the country. This is our race war. I know people in my own party, in my own government structure who disregard things that we say and how we feel and we are not going to allow it any more. This is a problem throughout the country where you have Law Enforcement officers that are afraid and fearful of young black men and theyre pulling out their guns and shooting them down and killing them each and every day. Joining me now, vincent warren, he just returned from ferguson. Hes director of the center for Constitutional Rights and former attorney for the aclu. And a fox news contributor. Jason, let me start with you to get reaction from that. This is our race war and Police Officers just have a fear of black men that makes them want to pull out their guns and shoot them. Yeah, theyre selling a false narrative here. We have too many dead black bodies in this country. But cops are not the reason. The black homicide rate is much too high. It is the leading cause of death for young black men. But blacks also commit seven to ten times more Violent Crime in this country than whites do. And 90 of their victims are other black people. We have so many dead black bodies in this country, megyn, not because cops are shooting them, but because other black people are shooting them. And the left is selling a false narrative pretending that the opposite is true. What of these claims juxtaposed what we heard last night from the prosecutor, what we see that was presented to the grand jury, africanamerican witnesses going in there and saying im telling you it is exactly as the officer said it was. Michael brown charged him. He stopped, he waited. Michael brown charged again, he shot again. Thats from africanamerican witnesses. How can this be a race war . Im not calling it a race war. I also disagree with the statement that the primary problem with young dead men are other black people. Its not the race of the witnesses that matter. Its the race of the victim and the race of the perpetrator. And this is a situation here in ferguson where those things are clear. A white man killed a black man. Im not saying he killed him because he was black, but i am saying that black folks, now that have to deal with all these People Killed by a Police Officer whether or not they have a gun, that is a tremendous problem. That has to be resolved in this country. It was a legal matter whether he actually had a gun is almost irrelevant. What matters is what the officer had reason to believe. As a legal matter, it actually does matter whether the person had a gun or not. Its whats in the officers head. Thats true. But if the officer said i had an unreasonable fear of black people and feared for my life, people said it does actually matter. The mans was unarmed. But the cop didnt know that. Lets keep in mind that this confrontation occurred because Michael Brown took a shot at a cop who was sitting in his cop car and reached for his gun. The issue here is black criminality, not the behavior of cops. Its the behavior of the young black men in these communities. Whenever a ferguson goes down, we Start Talking about racial profiling, we Start Talking about poverty, unemployment. We Start Talking about tensions between the cops and black people. Those are facts. Those are not causes. The cause here is black criminality. The fact that blacks who are 13 of the population, are responsible for the amount of Violent Crime in this country. You are going to have racial profiling. The question is not black criminality. The question is the criminalization of black people. Heres the point. All black people do not commit crimes. Therefore, all black people should not be policed in Community Just because theyre black. Thats very true. Theres no arguing that. But where is the responsibility for what Michael Brown did . Where is the responsibility . He committed a crime that night. Thats clear. Heres the question. Thats not the question, megyn. The question is where is the responsibility for what officer wilson did . No, youre jumping over youre treating Michael Brown like he was a squeaky clean kid minding his own business. He had just committed a robbery, the witness testimony is that he attacked a Police Officer. Im aware of what the testimony is. Heres the question. Im treating Michael Brown like hes a human being. Michael brown was not the subject of that xwrand jury proceeding although you would think he was because we heard more about what Michael Brown did. He attacked a cop and charge after him, its relevant as to whether that cop had a right to defend himself. That information is coming out from the grand jury. Were looking at it all. One of the things i saw when i looked at it was the sergeant went to talk to officer wilson right after Michael Brown was shot. Michael brown is dead on the ground. And the sergeant did not take down, write down or record the statement of the Police Officer. Not only is that bad policing, it also sends the message that, my goodness, how can we be surprised that Darren Wilsons testimony fits the