As of now, the message back from its own party appears to be youre not the boss of us. It is a stunning reversal of events. Remember, just one year ago, democrats across the board slammed republicans, 2013 shut down. Calling them unhinged, and referring to them as hostage takers. With president obama leading the charge. The American People are not pawns in a political game. You dont get to demand ransom in exchange for keeping the government running. You dont get to demand ransom in exchange for keeping the economy running. You dont get to demand ransom for doing your mostbasic job. So pass a budget and the government shut down. Americans are tired of this knock down, drag out debt fight. The way is to set a sensible policy for regular order. Through dangerous hostage taking. Now, with only three days left, republicans are threatening a shut down this is the mostirresponsible way to negotiate a budget. Ed henry reports the breaking news. The situation here at the white house tonight because the shoe is on the other foot. You now have a small minority of democrats, not republicans threatening to blow this up. You have potential for a government shut down. Saying it is just under five minutes from now. And so that continuing resolution to keep the government open. House republicans think there are things in there that will hurt the middle class and upset about roll backs of wall street reforms and House Democrats championed. If this were to survive a vote in the house, you then have a second problem for the president which is a fellow democrat again this is why its a twofold revolt. In the senate, Elizabeth Warren saying shell hold all of this up so what i think is going on tonight is that this is the first big test post election of the president s juice he came out through his spokesman and said after much contemplation we want house and Senate Democrats to support this. Theyre revolting including nancy pelosi. Were told we have enough votes to show them never to do this again. Not talking about them being republicans but them being the white house. Theyre upset starting with nancy pelosi as the theyre trying to jam this down democrats throats. Other point is what is the president doing now . He was calling lawmakers earlier and now in a Christmas Party behind me. Someone said theyre out of line to take a photo and all of a sudden secret service shut down the line and said the president has to go take care of business he went into a room and just came back to take more photos. Not sure what happened in that room. Expecting to sort out what is next here. Latest from our producer is that they do not think this is going to pass. And thank you. Well get to nancy pelosi. Shes with those liberal democrats and against the white house. Really . Listen, what a difference a year makes back in 2013 Top Democrats were saying republicans have lost their minds. They were irrational. Those are the nice comments. And we heard democrats calling democrats unhinged and hostage takers. When they do it, its just fine. Chris stierwalt lives for this stuff. Chris . Well get to nancy pelosi in just a moment. This is hostage taking and ransom. This is not how democracy functions they learned and figured out that ted cruz and republicans that have been able to take a small number of members of congress and drive policy discussions by engaging in brinksmanship, they can do it, too. They told us they didnt like that. And told us senator cruz was crazy. Yes. Its now them and nancy pelosi says shes against it. She helped craft the deal and helped make the deal. Elizabeth warren is nancy pelosi comes out and says shes disappointed in this white house, that theyre going along with this. This is horrible. She crafted the deal. Crafted the deal. She does not care what she d shell say whatever she wants to say today. Shes a politician. Shes more unhinged than other politicians am i wrong . I dont have a richter scale. I have it here. And says they are constantly like that. So keep going. Shes reversed herself but the point is that these liberal dems are running from the deal and dont like other stuff but the real or kes straighter is not even in the house but in the senate. Tell us. The only potential real challenger, the closest ally of wall street in the National Political scene. So here is Elizabeth Warren. Turning the congress on a dime, on the issue of helping wall street. Right. She did not care what president obama wants. They dont care and theyve got marching orders from Elizabeth Warren who is pro shut down in this particular instance, leading the charge to get this thing shut down because that is what they think will happen if they cant get this thing passed. But Elizabeth Warren, youll be shocked to hear did not always feel this way about the possibility of a government shut down. Listen to her when it was republicans doing it. We can avoid a government shut down. Republicans have refused to do that. These threats may continue but theyre not working. And will never work because this is democracy. Hostage tactics are the last resort for those who cant win their fights through elections. Where this right wing minority hostage taking is all they have left. A last gasp of those who can v cannot cope with the realities of our democracy the time has come that those legislatures who cannot cope with reality of our democracy to get out of the way. Liz beth, hostage taking is all they have left. A last gasp for those who cant deal with reality. Oh. I bet youd like to have that line about winning elections back. And so there is a wall street and a host of things they have a nominee theyre far from satisfied from and their Party Just Got a spanking in november so theyre acting out i promise you this, counselor. If democrats act on this, if they push it over the brink, theyre going to have a test vote. Well see what happened thchl is a test vote to count the chickens. If they do this, can you imagine what parties will think and then forces a shut down . Drama is going to happen and we want him to update us in terms we can understand because its confusing but thing are falling apart there. The government is going to shut down and hes going to stay tuned and let us know. We may get word any moment now this bill is debt and a government shut down is potentially upon us. The minute there is news, well bring it to you. Nancy pelosi now saying they were never told about these enhanced interrogation techniques youll be shocked to learn there is evidence that that is not true. The cia says its a lie. And we have a kelly file investigation into the truth next. Ah, push it. Push it. P. Push it real good ow oooh baby baby. Baby baby. If youre saltnpepa, you tell people to push it. Push it real good. 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We are not, i repeat, were not told that waterboarding or any of these other enhanced interrogation methods were used. That was thenspeaker of the house nancy pelosi back in 2009 flatout denying that she and her colleagues had been brief about the cias enhanced interrogation techniques put in place after september 11th, a claim the politifact website then investigated and rated as false as you see here. Claim the man in charge of the cias Interrogation Program is also on the record saying was false. You personally briefed nancy pelosi . I did. About enhanced interrogation . We briefed her on the fourth of september 2002 about the interrogation of abu techniques used on him. That Senate Report thats so quick to cast all the blame on the cia for these enhanced interrogation techniques, where exactly does it hold itself, the senate, its colleagues in the house accountable . John rizzo, who is acting general counsel of the cia with me tonight as well as republican congressman peter king member of the house Intelligence Committee. Congressman king, good to see you tonight. Nancy pelosi, Dianne Feinstein and others are quick to say the cia did bad things, bad things they didnt tell us about. And yet the cias own documents, contemporaneous records show that at the time in that initial briefing that was back in 2002 right after they had first used these methods on zubedah, they sat down and provided, i quote, a description of the enhanced techniques that have been employed which included waterboarding. Your take on whats going on here. Yes. Megyn, i was on the committee at that time, but ive spoken to a number of people who were and they all say the only response of the members on the Intelligence Committee was why isnt more being done . Nobody questioned what the cia was doing. No one doubted it. No one raised any human rights issues or any of the issues we hear about now. The emphasis at that time both on the Intelligence Committee and throughout the congress was to get as much information, do everything that was necessary and dont ask questions. Just make sure were not attacked again. That was the orders that were given to the Intelligence Community. When you look back and you see the statements, this is j. Rockefeller, a democrat, who talked about the capture of ksm in 2003. He came out and said we need to be very, very tough with him. We should consider shipping him to a country with no laws against torture. I mean, the revisionist history now by some of these democrats, oh, we just wanted to chat with him. We would have scolded the cia if only we had known. Megyn, this isnt just revisionist history. This is absolute hypocrisy. And john rizzo, who youre having on, is the expert of this. He was there. He saw it firsthand. I was down here in the congress at the time. I heard all that same talk. And now to hear them act as if they were just somehow innocent bystanders off to the side. The only criticism i ever heard in those days was that the Intelligence Community did not do enough before 9 11 and to make sure they never ever made that mistake again. And so all the pressure, all the emptous, all the mood of congress was for the cia and entire Intelligence Community to do everything possible. So i am disgusted by the hypocrisy today. And ill say every one of those cia people should get a medal for what they did. Congressman, good to see you, peter king. Joining me now former cia legal officer. John, good to see you tonight. So you heard mr. Rodriguez say specifically he briefed nancy pelosi and others. And the records show that briefing took place. Were you there at the time . Do you have an independent recollection of it . Yes, i was there at the time and have an independent recollection of it. The other point, megyn, this was not just a onetime briefing. Ms. Pelosi and her senior colleagues including senator rockefeller were repeated a number of times periodically as the program was unfolding. So if they were going to express objection, they had ample opportunity to do so. So Dianne Feinstein comes out now, she didnt get on these committees until 2006 which is when her briefing started. But she comes out as if we werent told, we werent told and its like she hasnt talked to her democratic colleagues who were told. Yeah, absolutely. Interesting the cia director in 2009 when pelosi made those statements was leon panetta, a close friend of pelosi, and even he couldnt let those comments stand. He repudiated basically on record what ms. Pelosi was saying. Leon panetta said theres no question that the Interrogation Program produced important, even critical intelligence. And yet today Dianne Feinstein and others are saying it is a fact that it did not. How are we at that place . Its somewhere between alice in wonderland and i dont know. Whats going on . How are the American People supposed to sort this out . Well, for one thing, they could read the detailed cia report. This was purely the democratic side of the senate Intelligence Committee. No one spoke with you. No one spoke with me. No one spoke with anybody at cia. Neither current nor former. Unique in my experience, megyn. 35 years in investigation in the cia ive never seen a Congressional Committee that refused to actually try to talk to the people whose activities are investigated. You want to find out what happened at a briefing or meeting, its helpful to speak with all the participants and not just nancy pelosi whos already been called a liar by politifact among others on this issue. Well, you should also speak to people before you trash them publicly, which is what has happened here. But the viewers need to understand this is a democrat report. It is not a republican report. Its not a bipartisan report. It is a democrat report about something that they apparently have a lot of guilt over. I dont think theyre feeling very good about having been effectively signed off on this program. But there are some issues on which they are standing on firm ground. In particular, you tell me if im wrong, the accusation that some individuals went beyond the authorizations that came from the department of justice and the briefings that were provided to congress. There were instances of rogue behavior by cia agents, were there not . Absolutely. This was not a perfectly run program. There were there was misconduct on the way. Occasionally. Not frequently. And cia selfreported itself to the department of justice reporting those abuses so the department of justice could investigate them. Mr. Rizzo, thank you for being here tonight. We appreciate your time. Thank you, megyn. 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Trace ghallager has more from our west coast newsroom. Trace . It happened just before the president appeared at a hollywood fundraiser in november, 2013. The head of Sony Pictures and film producers were having a back and forth about what the president s favorite movies might be. The exchange began writing what should i ask the president at this stupid jeffrey breakfast . Being jeffrey castenberg. Respond would you like to finance some movies . I doubt it. Rudin apologized, saying quote, i made remarks that were made to be fun rebut in the cold light of day are in fact thoughtless and insensitive and not funny at all. And the content of my e mails were insensitive and inappropriate but are not an accurate reflection of who i am. If movies themsel