Monday. No one answered at the apartment, but the officers could hear voices inside, including those of children. Heres how police described what happened next. They could clearly see a female that they believed to be ms. Gaines seated on the floor, a child nearby, who immediately began to wield a shotgun around, bringing up to ready position, pointing it directly at the officers there to serve the arrest warrant. The entire time, throughout the afternoon, she repeatedly would point the weapon at our personnel. For hours we pleaded with her to end this peacefully. We were concerned about the safety of the child. Gaines was even filming off and on as those hours unfolded. Her young sons voice still in the background as she zoomed in on the rifle of an officer who was peering in the door at one point. And another gutwrenching video taken during the standoff, gaines asks her young son whether he is aware of the situation in which she has put him. Whats happening . Whos outside . The police. And what are they trying to do . What are they trying to do . Theyre trying to kill us. Theyre trying to kill us. In moments were joined by pastor wesley west and radio host Kevin Jackson on the controversy over how this thing ended and where the story has gone since. But first tonight, we begin with trace gallagher, who has the details that a lot of Media Outlets left out. Trace. Reporter megyn, prior to the 5 1 2 hour standoff, Baltimore Police were very aware of 23yearold korryn gaines. Back in march they pulled her over for not having a car license plate. Instead of a plate, there was a cardboard sign warning government officials not to stop her. When police did, it quickly got confrontational. And gaines videotaped it and posted parts of it on instagram. Watch. Listen. A chance to be what . To get out of your car with your children. Sir, urine tyoure trying to my car. You put your hands on me, i promise you, you will have to murder me. So go ahead and get ready to do that. Reporter gaines was finally arrested and given a court date. When she failed to appear, Baltimore Police went to her home to serve a bench warrant. Police say they could hear the man inside talking with her, but nobody came to the door, so they got a key from the manager, opened the door, and found gaines sitting on the floor with a shotgun. Police backed away, and the barricade began. A short time later, the man inside ran out with a 1yearold baby and was arrested. Gaines stayed in the home with her 5yearold son. Police negotiators brought in her parents and a psychologist, saying they made every effort to get the woman to surrender. All the while, gaines was posting on social media, and her followers were encouraging her not to surrender. Police filed the request with facebook and instagram to disable her account, but it took more than an hour. And this is the final instagram post. Watch again. Whats happening right now . Um whos outside . The police. And what are they trying to do . What are they trying to do . Theyre trying to kill us. Police say when gaines again pointed her shotgun at officers through the door, it prompted the exchange of gunfire. One shot by police, two shots from inside the apartment, three more shots by police. Gaines was killed. Her 5yearold son hit in the arm. It remains unclear if the boy was hit by Police Gunfire or by his mothers. The boy is listed in Good Condition tonight. Wow. Trace, thank you. Joining me now, criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor mark eiglarsh, and an del brown. Wow. Mark . All her. All her. Anybody who dares point the finger at Law Enforcement is either being intellectually dishonest or somehow really doesnt know the facts in this case. They were overly cautious. They could have shot her right away when they came in and then held back. Six hours, they waited. And when they came in, both with the words that she used, i will kill you, coupled with the action, not putting down the shotgun, they had to take action. She caused her death. Andel, do you agree . In a situation like this, a pictures worth a thousand words and a video is priceless. Here we have the Police Account of the events, but we also have Police Accounts in the walter scott case, la Kwon Mcdonald case, tamir rice case, where facts that were reported did not match up once we had a video. When we have citizens who feel the need like in the Philando Castile or the alton sterling to record interactions with police because the body cameras fell off, they arent working or whatever the case may be, it shows we have an issue with the trust and transparency and accountability. Thats not what she asked you. This is her with a gun. This is her with a shotgun, mark eiglarsh. Thats not video. Thats what were told. Thats not what we see . What . What are you suggesting, andell . Are you going to manufacture facts . Im looking at it right now. They should be using body cameras in this case. They just got the body cameras a couple of weeks ago. Theyre implementing that in baltimore. Well, great. We need to see what happened. Thats all i can say. How much more can we see . Because ive seen Police Reports that turned out not to be true once we saw the video. But, mark eiglarsh, were seeing we are seeing. This is video from the moment this went down. We can play andells generic game. Well go with what youre saying. You can throw out that generic comment all day long. Well never know because we werent there, we havent seen reports, and sometimes reports are wrong, youre correct. But heres the question. Based upon what theyre reporting, are you conceding that this was a justified shooting . Mark, what im saying is im not just going to go with what the answers yes or no. When you go into a court of law, mark you dont control this interview. When we go into a court of law, we make sure were very sure before we take someones freedom. We make sure we go through many steps before we take someones life. , it was a hypothetical. Hold on a second. The people deserve to see and evaluate whether to andells point. Hold on. To your point, the video of her loading up that gun was apparently from two weeks earlier. It wasnt this. It wasnt in the moment she had the confrontation with the police, who say she did have a long gun, who you can hear discussing with her son on the video that theyre she believes theyre trying to kill her. And theres a question about her mental state, mark. I mean i dont know whether this woman was okay emotionally or mentally, and the police would not confirm whether she had a history of Mental Health issues. But here she is just a couple of weeks earlier when she had the confrontation with police. She was pulled over. She didnt have a license plate. She considered herself a sovereign citizen. She didnt recognize the authority of the u. S. Law enforcement agents. She demanded to see their authority cards, and this is a confrontation. This is a piece of tape from back then. Watch. You know theyre talking about stealing my vehicle. They tell you get out this car, dont take your seat belt off. You do not get out this car. Do you understand . Yes. You better fight they asses. Fight them. Do you hear me . Yes. And they will have to kill me today. Nobody wants to kill you. They will have to. They will have to, in front of my children and everything. Burn in hell, all you all pigs. Shes telling her child he had to get out and fight the police, that theyre going to have to kill her to get her out of the car. The officer asked for her license and registration. She refuses to show it. She demands to see his authority card. He shows it to her. So the question is whether this person was of sound mind and whether the police, if that is the case, had an obligation to do more to not engage in a shootout with this person. Okay. Heres my take on her. I will defend her right to spew her outrageous and offensive speech, even yall pigs like she said at the end. She has a constitutional right to say that. But her Constitutional Rights end when she begins to resist and obstruct officers as she did in that scenario. But, worse, when she shows violence, when she has a gun aimed at Law Enforcement officers, who didnt wake up wanting to kill anybody that day. S they just wanted to go home to their families. She created a scenario that led to her tragic demise. Go ahead, andell. Ill give you the last word. In this circumstance, absolutely a tragedy whenever someone loses life or liberty. In this country where life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness are high ideals, we take it very seriously. So i just want to make sure that in every one of these instances, we have the transparency and accountability to keep our government honest from the cops on the street all the way up to the white house. Thats what the people deserve, and thats what we want. Great to see you both. Same here, megyn. As we mentioned earlier, the response were seeing to the story seems to be largely influenced by the fact that many of the headlines people have been reading make no mention of the fact that ms. Gaines was allegedly armed and threatening to kill these police. Vox declared Baltimore County police shot gaines and a 5yearold was caught in the crossfire. Quote, Police Fatally shoot Woman Holding 5yearold boy in her lap. Sean king took things a bit further. Baltimore mom killed by cops illustrates power of white privilege. And now in a now deleted tweet, the washington posts wesley lowry said, quote, every Fatal Police Shooting by definition is a summary execution. Pastor wesley west of faith and power ministries is a member of black lives matter. And Kevin Jackson is a Fox News Contributor and executive director of the black sphere. Net. Pastor, do you defend those headlines . Do you think those headlines are misleading in light of what we are told are the facts . Well, i cant say its misleading. I would say right now there is a story behind it all. Again, after what just happened here in baltimore with the death of freddie gray and now this, this shows that, no, none of that is misleading at all. I stand behind everything that was been put out today in her benefit. If you believe that, then what should the cops have done if they went to this persons house, she skipped out on her court appearance. They have to execute a bench warrant. Thats how it works. She wouldnt let them in. They got the landlord to open the door. Shes sitting there with a long gun and a 5yearold on her lap threatening them. What should they have done . Well, again, i think that they have they said they had backed down, which i dont believe they backed down at all. Heres a young lady, again, who shows that there has been some ha rarassment by the police department. At this point in time, they should have more her family members come to the scene the copped called them. The cops called them to come help. Were talking about can i say this real quickly, kelly . Were talking about the same Police Officers that have not issued a statement. Why are you giving part of the statement . I need the full statement. I need the videos. Why havent these Police Officers have body cameras on them . I need to see this. I need to really see this. Dont tell me dont tell me what they said. I need to see this for myself. Okay. Where is the record . The whole thing is not caught on a cops body camera. They say they just got the mandate for these a few weeks ago in the wake of freddie gray. Kevin, your thoughts. This is the more ridiculousness. It goes to show why america cant improve and particularly black america. Look, this is cut and dry. The police did everything they could to not hurt this young lady. By the way, the fault goes with the young lady who would have two children in her home and not surrender to the police and get everything worked out, no matter what. Theyre not saying anything about that. Ill tell you Something Else that wont be mentioned. 35 people who were killed last month in baltimore, nobodys going to remember the name ja von guy. He was shot and killed by other black people. This is patently ridiculous. America is sick of it. This young lady yeah, america is hold on, pastor. Hold on. This young lady had a problem already with police, and it was already documented. Wow. She said you all are going to have to kill me in front of my kids. What more now, look, she probably had some sort of a mental problem. Who knows . And nobody is saying she deserved to die per se. But everything that could have prevented her death, she could have done. And for this attorney and this pastor to say these things is detrimental to the black community. Youre teaching kids hate. Youre teaching the black community the wrong lessons here. Go ahead, pastor. Listen, at some point in time, the police have to be held accountable for their actions. Again, i do hear you. I do say i hear you saying that they had done everything. They actually didnt. What happened to the tasers. What happened to the sleep gas . Here is a 5yearold. Lets hear this. A 5yearold little boy in a home with she put the child on her lap. Come on, there was just an incident in baltimore where there was a hostage situation. This man did not die, and he had seven people that were held hostage at a burger king. You can yell about this all i want. Heres the real interesting part. Heres the interesting part, pastor. Nothing has changed. Its the same earold boy did not deserve to see his mother shot and killed. Thats true. Pastor, everyone can agree on that. That 5yearold boy should not have been in that situation. The reason he was is because of his mother. Whether she was in the right or wrong, she never should have had that child on her lap, never, never. Ill give you the last word, kevin. Megyn, the i can say what i want. I can say what i want. I can say what i want. And youve been given an opportunity. Kelly, quickly. [ overlapping voices ] i agree. But, kelly, for her to say that, ill kill you, for her to say, ill kill you, she can say what she wants. I agree, but there are consequences. I got to go. I got to go. Great to see you both. Breaking tonight, the wall street journal just went up with a stunning story. It reports that the Obama Administration shipped 400 million in cash to the iranians. At the very same time that iran was releasing those four american hostages. Remember that . 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