Win. Tonight is a turning point, a rallying cry. A call from the hard working men and women of wisconsin to the people of america. The hard working men and women of wisconsin stood, and campaigned tirelessly to make sure that tonight was a victory. With our victory tonight, in wisconsin, we have now won seven out of eight of the last caucuses. Momentum is starting the campaign, 6070 points behind secretary clinton. Momentum is the last couple weeks, National Polls had us one point up, one point down. In the allimportant delegate count, senator cruz trying to keep pace. Donald trump leads with 737, senator cruz is in second with 505. Again, 1237 is the magic number for clenching the nomination. Im joined now by alice stewart. Alice, good to see you, congratulations to your team tonight. It was a good night for ted cruz, you know his detractors are saying donald trump has a fire wall called new york state. Your thoughts on it . Well, let me just tell you now, thank you for having me on. This is a tremendous night. This is hats off, two weeks of changes in terrain. Two weeks ago, things started to change. We had a great victory in utah followed by victories in colorado, north dakota and here. So the last four major contests have gone to ted cruz. This is because Republican Party conservatives are rallying behind ted for many reasons, first, they understand what a disaster it would be for trump to be the nominee. They see ted as someone consistent and has Real Solutions for creating jobs and protecting our country and securing the border opposed to just grandiose talk. Highs traveling and providing shugss and pushing his emphasis and we expect it to continue moving further into other states. But that doesnt address my question, which is the donald trump people say new york. New york. They look at california and look at pennsylvania and look at his polling there which is you know, donald trump up over ted cruz in, i mean, by 30 points in new york. And so they say okay, hes got way more delegates than ted krudz and better positioned in states were about to hit. You have to keep in mind this victory, critical but the key is amassing delegates. And there is a possibility to sweep delegates and moving to new york that is a proportional state. So we have a chance of matching delegates down the calendar. This is a process. We had a plan acquiring delegates and we dont receive 1237 before the convention, im confident well do so on the convention floor. He writes donald trump withstood the onslaught yet again. And ted cruz is worse than a puppet attempting to steal the nomination. Your reaction to his agency that the super pac is illegal . Well, look. Its no surprise that in such a defeat as he has this evening he protect that tone as a way to respond. If were not going to get down in the gutter, were going to stay above the fray. And ted cruz won this fair and square because he took the issues to the people of wisconsin and talked about what he can do to help create jobs and economy and improve our National Security as opposed to someone who just insulted people. So he can take that tone if he wants. Were going to have a positive Campaign Based on inspiring people and going to continue to do so. So many have been competitors in this campaign. The fact hes galvanizing and republicans are uniting behind him goes to show people see him as the person that can defeat hillary in november. Thank you very much for being here tonight. All the best to you. Donald trump focusing his primary two weeks from tonight. And tonights loss in wisconsin. Dr. Ben carson is a donald trump supporter, former candidate himself. Thank you for being here. Your reaction to wisconsin. Not terribly surprising. Polling was accurate predicting that cruz would win there. And we say this is the critical one, then, saying the same thing about the next one. Its kind of funny, actually. Its going to be an important process going down to the wire. And when getting to cleveland, one or the other, cruz or trump will have acquired what they need or close to it. And i think theyre really big mistake will be trying to deny them. And this focus pokus, trying to create something that the people did not want. And that will be an unmitigated disaster for the Republican Party. I hope that the leaders of the party understand that. And recognize if we put hillary in there, well have done our children and grandchildren a great disservice. We have to get over our personal dislikes and be ready to unite behind whoever it is. One, you know, donald trump kept talking about a surprise in wisconsin, that he is going to pull out a win. A poll had him up 10 and they were touting that poll. And didnt he think he had a shot in wisconsin . Yes. I think there was some indications that things might have been changing but they didnt. You move on. You move onto the next contest which will be in new york. And there maybe other states where senator cruz will do well. You must emphasize republicans have got to find a way not to destroy themselves. You talk about elevating the race and the discussion on topics. And this statement saying lying ted cruz coordinating with his own super pacs, quoting now, ted cruz is worse than a puppet, he is a troejan horse being used by party bosses. What do you think of that . I hope those statements will be seasoned with important policy issues. Naming the people who are going to be considered nominees for the supreme court. And talking about some other important leadership positions, talking about policies. What are we going to do about the tremendous debt that are inflicting the next generations . Unless we begin to talk about that we need to talk about the downtrodden in our society and what other ladders of opportunity were going to provide. These are things republicans not talked about. We feed to bring those people in. A lot of the Bernie Sanders people are not going to vote for Hillary Clinton. We have to give them a place to come. Have you told mr. Trump your concerns about focusing on policy . On these things and perhaps, do you think hes going to change his tone . I believe hes going to be adding a lot more substance and policy and hes going to be doing things hes suggested because those are the logical things to do. Donald trump considered calling on ted cruz to get out of the race. John kasich is one for 32. Jeb was doing better than him. Marco was doing better than him. Rand paul was doing better than him. They could have stayed in, also. Someone is not electable if they cant get elected. He lost every state other than his home state. Hes mathematically eliminated from the race. If you lose 49 states, you aint going to be the republican nominee. John kasich is behind even senator marco rubio who suspended his campaign. Thanks for joining us. Thank you. So you know the arguments against his candidacy now. And ted cruz saying the person that loses 49 states is not going to be the party nominee. Well, the partys nominee is going to be one that can secure a majority of delegates and tonight shows no candidate is going to reach that prior to cleveland. What happens now is this race turns to the northeast shows john kasich takes from donald trump. And polls show were the most competitive Going Forward. And that is why he feels candidate about our path. Washington post had a piece out tonight saying 20 of late deciders voted for him which is lower than we got a couple months ago. 18 of independents chose him tonight. In illinois it was double. His point is that it is not on kasichs side. Ted cruz knew this was a must win for him. And must win for to stop donald trump. So he spent a lot of time there. This is a good night for ted cruz. And Going Forward look at the states that vouted. He got trounced in vermont. And trump needs kasich in this race. The wall street Journal Editorial Board said its important that leads have a chance to compete in pennsylvania where he grew up. To be in these other states. So that is what is going to happen. Well see how votes go. Finally, trent, you know the Cruz Campaign and others are pointing to this rule 40 which governs the convention now. Unless you win eight states. This vote will be between donald trump and ted cruz. Well, the vote is who can win the majority of the delegates at the convention . 1237. Under any role or scenario you can find. And that is a rule discussed today. Its important we go forward. Nobody is going to have the majority going into the convention and delegates that are voted on by this process and through state conventions across the country over the coming months or weeks are going to do that. Quick question and i have to go. Donald trump has said there will be riots if someone like that gets the nomination and he wasnt parachuted in, so few delegates and he says voters will not feel disenfranchised. Well, its not up to john kasich or ted cruz. Theyre not from washington. Theyre not a lobbyist. So theyre going to make that decision. Thank you for being here, sir. Thank you. All the best. So folks are saying theyre out the window and second ballot comes. So, as the candidate final with the delegates what is the path . Can donald trump get there . How about ted cruz . And if no one gets there, what happens then . What a contested convention will look like, coming up. We ship everything you atcan imagine. N, and everything we ship has something in common. 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It was always just a hobby. Something you did for fun. Until the day it became something much more. And that is why you invest. The best returns arent just measured in dollars. Td ameritrade. Senator ted cruz getting a boost tonight with a win in wisconsin. There is a long way to go, 1237 delegates are needed to secure the nomination and bill hemmer is breaking down the math at the bill board. Hi, bill. If youre confused at home, dont worry. This is what we did. We took all of the polling on the remaining 16, 17 contest left to go. We cross pollenated with different political web sites trying to find out what a possible scenario is and how you get to 1237 if youre donald trump. Right now, he starts out not counting wisconsin, 737. He needs 500 to get to the magic number. So in 10 days, wyoming has a state convention, we believe those will go to ted cruz. New york state, if you get plus 50 , which trump can do, youd get all 95. Watching now, as this number changes, throughout the map here. Then, other five contests at the end of april, seemed to favor trump so were rather generous in rhode island, connecticut, delaware, maryland and pennsylvania. See where he is at the end of april. Still 310 away. Now, moving into may. May, indiana, we believe trump is doing well now in the hoosier state. Well see over the next month or so. Then, we go to following tuesday. West virginia is winner take all and look what happened to the trump number then. But that same day, that same day as nebraska, winner take all as well, we think ted cruz is polling very well there. Third week, oregon, they kind of split. Not really a third, a third, a third, but close. So were conservative here in oregon. Same thing for the state of washington the week after. Monday monday is winner take all. New mexico is a bit of a 5050 split. Right now, well give trump make 10 of those. California is still on the table we believe trump will get 100 out of 172, and look where that is. New jersey is winner take all. New jersey looks favorable in trump. He would be 44 delegates. And this could change in a week. Or two weeks. And june 8, 150 unbound delegates will be on the republican board. Theyre up for grabs like super delegates in democratic parties. This could play out or may change in about 14 days. I just want to give bill applause. That is very well done. Big shout out. That takes a while. With that comprehensive understanding. That is well done. And this comes down to california. I cant believe it. Inside joke. Yes. Lets bring in our panel. Tucker carlson, Kirsten Powers and steve hayes and dana perino, cohost of the five. Welcome back. So let me start with you. What pundits are saying this is not about knocking off core support. After 18 candidates in a year of the g. O. P. Race, the republicans saying wisconsin consolidates behind ted cruz. And i think that there is a lot there are many reasons for it. Its partly there are less people. So that worked in cruzs favor. Donald trump had been very disparaging of scott walker but people in wisconsin really like him. So, i think that that was one thing that possibly backfired. If they define him as establishment, they say establishment is fine by me because theyve seen him fight over and over again. And conservatives outnumber moderates in wisconsin. And republicans have been tested over and over again recently when scott walker took on the union. They have seen benefits of sticking together because they won the recall vote. And the state numbers from an unemployment rate, the way the state is running is working well, so institutionally, wisconsin is pretty happy with where they were. So saying wisconsin didnt think its going to be their state. But a few weeks ago, they said it was. Yes. Many said it was potentially a good state. And trump saying hes going to win so if you compare to voters, 70 in both states. Under 100,000 in income. 55 to 53 concollege graduates. 75 in wisconsin. 74 in michigan. 43 evangelicalals in wisconsin. And trump within michigan 3634. The question is wisconsin sort of a model for the antidonald trump and pro cruz forces Going Forward . This is what you can do if you get support . If you have a campaign pushing against donald trump and pushing for ted cruz . Is it a blip . Is this the state that has this very cohesive Republican Party a conservative republican establishment and isnt able to be replicated . We know that there is not going to be a governor endorsement of ted cruz in new york. So this is Donald Trumps home state. Hes a popular guy here, hes killing ted cruz here. So the question is if the aen trump crowd and in wisconsin, 37 said theyd not vote for him. P theyre consolidated how do they make that spread . Make the most out of that . In the remaining states . Its going to be a tough job. To your point when talking about new york one of the things we noticed with cruz is that he did really well. That is something to note. We saw this, i think with the second super tuesday, we see that that growing voter confidence in ted cruzs electability, were seeing that here. But only 11 of the people care about that. Yes, but. You went for cruz, but only 11 . Its huge, they used to say hes in the electable but were seeing more and more, yes. He is when youre looking at these polls. And to answer your question, people thought well, we have to vote cruz. I talked to a lot of kasich people on my Radio Program today and a lot of them are saying we did go for cruz because we thought that that was the best. There is a statement that ted cruz is a troejan horse being used by party bosses attempting to steal the nomination from mr. Trump. Ted cruz is a troejan horse. Its an ominous statement for those who hope the campaign would reset after the loss. And regain some seriousness. And is hard to imagine ted cruz being a trojan horse. The nef Trump Movement is not running on open borders and more foreign wars an carried interest in the tax code. Theyre not going to they may believe those but are not going to say that in public. The best youre going to get is cruz is running on a moderated version of trumps message. This whole experience is a reminder the Republican Party will change along the lines, outlined in the campaign. This statement is something more th that. Its suggesting a lack of unreality at the core of the trump campaign. This is not a statement a campaign is seeking to win would issue. This is someone very open minded. Within the context i live in. Hes got something important to say. But just a matter of political fact, this statement tells you, theyre not, like, facing whats happening. Its a little bit crazy. How do you think Hillary Clinton is perceiving this event . And this contest . And who do you think, at this point, shed prefer to run against . No question. Shed rather run against donald trump. You know . I think that if you look at the match ups in polls, ted cruz does very well against Hillary Clinton and donald trump doesnt. Now, i dont know if that is right. I think if we had a race, and donald trump was running against her, the dynamics could change because hes so unpredictable. We dont know what he could do. And hed probably throw her off game a little bit. But hes he alienates women. And in a broader context, hed alienate women and generate enthusiasm for women voters which woo be good for Hillary Clinton. After losing wisconsin, the front runners moving ahead. How theyre hoping to recapture momentum, right here in new york. And a look at the mind set of the wisconsin voters. What the exit polls are saying led them to cast their ballots the way they did. More coming up, stay with us. I have asthma. One of many pieces in my life. 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