Some in the Diplomatic Community says she has not been tough enough on russia, pointing to one example during her tenure, 24 ukrainian hostage were taken and there is the pipeline completed in weeks providing russian natural gas to european allies, potentially igniting a cold war style collision to europes dependence on russia. There have been parts where she wasnt strong enough. Given the president s approach to Foreign Policy, its really no surprise that a lot of these Government Employees are not happy. Former ambassador complained that the ranks in her lineup have been thinned and the president bragging the way why that is on twitter. He says, we have vacancies in various departments because we do not want or need as many people in the administration to save great costs. Also the democrats taking office, President Trump has increased defense spending and he has cut the state departments budget. Those are the numbers, those are the facts. The same time choosing to make more political appointments at the ambassador posts rather than selecting the kind of people we have seen, career diplomats under different president s. Listen to how ambassador yovanovich reflected on that today. The state department of true reform policy does not get the same kind of attention or even respect as the military might. But we are, as they say, the point at the end of the spear. If we lose our edge, the u. S. Will inevitably have to use other tools even more than it does today. The state department is being hollowed out. This is not the time to undercut our diplomats. Martha former arkansas governor mike huckabee, gentlemen, welcome to the both of you. Good to have you here tonight. I guess, governor huckabee, is it safe to say what weve seen this week besides the obvious discussion over impeachment is sort of a clash between government bureaucrats or government longtime career diplomats and the way the things are done in the Trump Administration . Donald trump came in intentionally to be a disrupter and hes been every bit of that, but thats what he said he was going to do. People ought to be not so shocked that he has disrupted the normal flow of the way policy has worked. Thats why he was elected. Let me point out, he was elected but he was not employed or appointed, he was elected. The people elected him and Foreign Policy is the domain of the elected official, not the unelected diplomats. Im grateful for this ambassador and she had a delightful career. Not going to disparage her because i think shes a terrific professional. But the president had every right to remove her from that post and i would just remind people that Glenn Kessler in the Washington Post wrote back on december 3rd 200 2008 an arte in which he pointed out that president elect obama had told every single ambassador in every embassy they needed to clear out by january 20th 2009 because everyone of them is going to be replaced. I do not remember anybody getting upset about that and republicans did and either because elections have consequences, to quote president obama. All this handwringing is absurd and its just an indication that this is about the hatred of donald trump, not because of some great big difference. Martha what do you think . I agree the president has the right to remove an ambassador. He has the right to have whatever he wants to be an ambassador to other countries. But thats not really what this is about. What we saw was career diplomats testifying this week, and they didnt engage in any partisanship at all. We also have someone like ambassador taylor who was actually selected by the secretary of state pompeo for this purpose, so hes really a President Trumps choice to be serving in ukraine. You heard really stunning testimony from him about President Trump corrupted the policy in ukraine to serve his own personal purpose and put National Security of the u. S. Second. Thats really what this is about. President trump turning the state department into a cult of personality. Martha we dont know that at this point, david. I understand that is the debate being had, but the motivation of the president is undetermined at this point, because you dont have anybody who actually spoke to him. You have a lot of hearsay. But that is sort of the nut of the debate over impeachment, but im going to get to something a little bit bigger than that, and you have experience in the double medic circles. My suggestion is what weve looked at is, yes, people with integrity, people who are very sincere in their desire to serve, i believe, but this just isnt necessarily the way that it works under president. He has the right to put people in place and if he doesnt want someone there anymore, hes allowed you can send Rudy Giuliani if he wants to talk to somebody to be an envoy, can send rick perry, the site Gordon Sondland is going to present his thinking when he goes to ukraine. Cant he . He can, but the American People have to evaluate whether those choices are serving them. Rudy giuliani, who did not have sufficient experience and he was engaging in diplomacy parttime at certain womens in order to pursue an agenda that wasnt serving the American People . We have the right to evaluate thats a right choice. Its on display how that was not a wise choice but you saw this week with the career diplomats, the best of the state department who didnt engage in partisanship, they were reluctant to say anything critical, but they reported what actually happened and the American People have to judge. Martha the American People voted for President Trump in the American Election and theyll have a chance to do that again in this coming november. Let me point out, the ambassadors who testified earlier, bill taylor for example, he had never met President Trump, hadnt talked to him. He talked about what he thought, he felt from what he believed. Thats irrelevant. What he thinks, what he feels and what he believes is not relevant to what the president has a right to do. This idea that what the American People care about . Thats why we have elections. Rather than this impeachment hoax and sham thats going on, the people of america dont like the policies of donald trump, about a year from now they can change it. But thats ridiculous to say, lets impeach him because we dont like the fact that hes doing things that are different. Every martha gentlemen,thank you o faure, governor huckabee. Thank you for being here tonig tonight. The name that we heard as much as President Trump today was that of Rudy Giuliani. I do not understand mr. Giulianis motives for attacking me. Rudy giuliani, President Trumps lawyer and representative. The same Rudy Giuliani who orchestrated the Smear Campaign against you . We talk a lot about Rudy Giuliani. Maybe we should talk to rudy. Martha one of the big questions, will we see Rudy Giuliani in front of this committee and what would that look like given the reports that republicans, some are saying, that they might be ready to make him the fall guy in this situation. He was asked about it today, david bossi was President Trumps 2016 deputy manager, at the white house today and spoke with the president. Good to have you here this evening. What do you think about that . I think Rudy Giuliani is beside the point. The democrats are in their witch hunt, in their zeal to try to destroy this president , to try and metal in the 20s since 20 election, he can handle himself. Martha a lot in the way the policy was carried out was based in Rudy Giulianis belief there was deep corruption in ukraine in 2016, and went to digging up dirt on Paul Manafort and there is a connection between Alexandra Chalupa and the dnc. What i am trying to figure out is if there is substance there, and i know he very firmly believes there is, why didnt we hear any of the republicans put those questions forth today . I cant speak for the House Republicans but i do not know what they were thinking. Look, the conversation today with an ambassador who has never spoken to the president , never met the president , a third witness with no firsthand information, this is a witch hunt that the democrats are dedicated to and they will use whatever ploys and sham that they want to, they attacked the president today for tweeting this is ridiculous. There is no due process, republicans get their witnesses, we dont get to ask questions. Chairman schiff shutting down questioning. This is a railroad and the American People see it. With regard to the question of mr. Giuliani, just to go back for a moment, is there any chance that there is daylight or the president may be thinking at this point, you know, i didnt really know the extent of what he was investigating in ukraine, felt very strongly that we had to push this person out in favor of somebody who would be more favorable for our policy. Is there any daylight between them or does the president stand behind him 100 on that . All i know is that Rudy Giuliani is the president s attorney and has done a magnificent job in destroying the last witch hunt, which was the fake russia collusion story which some of these same players were involved in. I think Rudy Giuliani was doing his utmost to defend the president from the fake russia collusion story and knows what some of these players were doing. None of this, none of this reaches anywhere near an Impeachable Offense. This is a sham and this is offensive to the American People which is why i think the democrats are going to pay a price next year. Martha let me ask you about roger stone because that was another big story today covering the impeachment hearings, the news broke that he had been convicted on seven counts basically of lying to congress and other accounts of basically not telling the truth as part of that whole investigation. What do you think about that . Unfortunately for roger stone, a jury of his peers convicted him of all counts. Im not somebody who ever really knew will roger stone and did not work with him at any time in my life. The last time i saw him was in a federal court room when i was a witness against him. So this is not somebody that i have an affinity for. Ive got to tell you come roger stone put himself into this jackpot and i hate to see Law Enforcement went after him, they targeted him, the mueller team. Martha put away for supporting the president. Thats how he sees it. I can see how we can think that and i tend to agree. If he was not associated with donald trump, help President Trump get elected, none of this would have happened. Martha always good to talk to you. Thank you very much. With the release of the ig report on fisa abuse, we are hearing its imminent. I know weve said it before, but thats the word today. There is new speculation of what it may mean of acts cia director john brennan, former directing attorney general Matt Whitaker will explain, what it explains for john brennan after this. Liberty mutual customizes your Car Insurance so you only pay for what you need. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Hi honey, we got in early. Yeah, and we brought steve and mark. Experience the power of sanctuary at the lincoln wish list sales event. Sign and drive off in a new lincoln with zero down, zero due at signing, and a complimentary first months payment. Martha its a friday night and anticipation is building once again over the release of the Investigation Findings involving the president , the doj Inspector Generals report, all of it into the origins of the russia probe to the attorney general william barr dropping some hints that the report from Michael Horowitz may be very soon. Its my understanding that it is imminent, a number of people who have mentioned the report are having an opportunity like that to comment on how they are quoted. After that process, it should be very shortly, the issue. Thats what the Inspector General has gathered. Martha that comes as a new report claims former obama era cia director john brennan was real clear investigations reporting that its clear that brennans role in populate in the collusion narrative went far beyond his work on the i see a. A close review of facts that of chloe come to lights shows hes a central promoter of the Conspiracy Theory from its inc inception. Here now, Matt Whitaker, former acting attorney general under President Trump. Thank you for being here. Lets go to that first with regard to john brennan. What explain to everybody the i see a report and why they think that it proves that the cia director got involved in fbi investigations and it all started earlier than people think . The i see a is the Intelligence Community assessment, when they say all the Intelligence Community agrees that russia is the one who agrees spewing the one they just said today, just pointing out. It appears that mr. Brennan at the cia wasnt your mental in that. But weve seen fbi director ray agrees that assessments. The cia, they do the foreign intelligence do the work, they are working with their counterparts in other countries. It appears mr. Brennan based in some reports took that information and took it across to the fbi and thats how the original counterintelligence investigation was launched. I think this Inspector General report is going to be one of the most consequent reports weve had in many areas. I think its going to demonstrate that people took advantage of a fisa process where there is nobody on the other side to argue in their own interests and its an ex parte process and we are going to learn not about the carter page fisa but how they do business generally and some americans are going to be troubled by what the Inspector General uncovers. Martha we remember when attorney general barr said it could be there was spying going on and that he was very concerned about that and wanted to dig into it. He says that he believe this report will be a credit to the department. But in terms of the difference between the door and report and the horwitz report, the horwitz reports is going to focus on the pfizer fis since hes no longer employed by the government. Right . Thats true. They are looking at two sides of the same coin. While the Inspector General is looking at the carterpage fisa specifically and the pfizer program, dorm rooms investigation is a lot larger, thats going to look ate origins and whether people did their jobs, but in doing their jobs if they violate the law. There is some suggestion that there is at least some evidence that suggests that. Martha here is john brennan. He gets very riled up at any suggestion of this which i guess is understandable. Here he is. I do not think it surprising at all that we continue to hear the sociopathic ramblings of mr. Trump claiming that there was this effort to try to prevent him from being elected or to unseat him. I welcome any type of continued investigation in terms of what we did during that period lack of time we were in the government. Martha final thought on that . I thought he seemed awfully defensive for somebody who had nothing to be concerned about. Well learn a lot in the next couple of weeks. Martha its going to be very interesting. 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