Transcripts For FOXNEWSW Your World With Neil Cavuto 2017063

Maybe some would recognize him as a doctor that has been fired if that is indeed the case. What can you piece together . Thats right, neil. Obviously a very fluid situation even though its been reported that the shooter has been disengaged. You still have multiple Police Agencies involved in this investigation. The one thing, neil that we try to find out quicker than anything is whether or not there were any warning signs that this guy would have come back to work if in fact this guy did work there. If he would have come back to work and caused what he did today. The Police Department there in new york city, theyre trying to desperately figure that out. They have the assistance of the atf already, the alcohol tobacco and firearms. Trying to figure out where did he get the weapon, was there a manifesto posted on social media. You have multiple teams of investigators trying to sift through this to try to make some understanding of it. Can you help me in terms of i know hospitals have heightened security, particularly the new york city area. More so than conventional public buildings. What is the set up for hospitals and the double precautions they take for this sort of thing . Thats an excellent question. Im very familiar with hospitals and their response to active shooters. Ive been working with a number of hospitals. What they do real quickly, so your viewers understand, every hospital is very segregated in terms of the types of patients that they house. So what happens in an active shooter situation, once the alert goes out, theres an active shoot in the building, each section shuts down. What does that mean . The patients stay in their room but that section of the hospital is locked and locked down and i think thats probably what happened at that hospital today. When you do it that way, you contained the shooter to a limited area where they may be in the building. Thats how they do it. One other thing, neil, hospitals practice for active shooters typically a quarter. Theyre very welltrained. They have their own Security Team and trained to handle this situation. Neil if indeed it was a doctor who was fired, he would look familiar to a lot of people that either didnt know he was fired or wouldnt think anything of him returning to the building so there would be an element of trust, wouldnt there. Thats correct that goes back to what i said earlier, were there any warning signs. Again, this is a very fluid situation. We dont know as a matter of fact. If in fact this doctor was terminated, lets say a day earlier this week or last week, did Human Resources alert people, security to be on the watch out for this guy . We dont know. So all of those questions will probably be sifted through tonight and the police will try to figure it out. One other thing, did this guy act alone . We dont know that yet, this is very fluid. Are there any other bombs or anything like that around the hospital . We dont know any of those things. Very fluid. This is what the responsibility of the investigators is right now, neil. Neil all right. If you can stay there, rod. Were going to wnyw. Theyre on site. Lets listen in. Apparently this is a situation where somebody lost their job and lost touch with reality. Dr. Henry bellow, the gunman. He came back with vengeance on the mind against his former coworkers. Against least two of the four people were shot. He was a Family Medicine practice doctor before being let go. We heard he came in carrying a possible m16 rifle. Many rounds. Looks like a targeted attack. This happened on an upper floor. Not in an area crowded with a lot of people. Sounds like this person had recently been let go from his job. Looking at the casualty list, two or three of them are physicians themselves. Theyre former colleagues possibly who are targeted in this attack today. Some sort of professional grudge after doctors forced him to snapped. Four to six people injured. Their extent, unknown. We continue to look at video from a short while ago. The ground floor where this all took place. The gunman identified. Dr. Henry bellow. Hes now dead. He shot four to six people were being told from Police Sources inside the hospital before he himself lost his life. Neil all right. I want to go back to rod wheeler, if we can, guys. You heard about that. They identified the doctor in question. The one that was doing the shooting as dr. Henry below. They dont know when, but that he came back for vengeance. Armed with an m16 assault rifle. Four to six were shot. Two of them were doctors. Maybe former colleagues or superiors. Hard to tell. Piecing that together, rod, the fact that he returned normally when someone is fired, they put your picture outside the building or all entrances, saying dont let this person come in here. What can we glean from this . Youre right. The one thing was listening for and that we all listen for, neil, key indicators. Key indicators that this person could come back and cause some type of problem such as it appears this guy did today. When this guy was terminated, how long ago was it that he was terminated . Was it a week or two weeks . When he was terminated, did he make any specific statements as in ill be back or somebody will pay . Those types of things are what we call key indicators. When we hear those statements made by individuals that have been terminated on the job, we have to take an appropriate response. We typically let most of the Security Team know, the faculty and staff know. Those are the kind of things in an active shooter situation, we really try to find the answers to. Because that could help us learn in the future, you know, to try to prevent these things from happening again. Neil rod, if you can hang on. Were bringing in a daily news reporter. While we wait for him, rod, a quick question. Normally when someone is fired and it happened quickly, they discontinue your security passes so that they will not work. If youre a familiar face or youre a doctor around proceeding as normal, youre not going to be aggressively screened, right . Thats right. Youre exactly right. The other thing that is so important about this particular case today, sounds like this guy went to a particular floor. The reporter said its on the 17th or 18th floor of the hospital. If that is the case, that tells me that this person had a vengeance against someone or something. Neil all right. Do you maybe the supervisors neil finish your thought. Yeah. The supervisor or neil were having problems with your cell phone connection. I apologize. Pat is joining us. Learning what you have in a former doctor, we dont know when he was terminated at that hospital. But that he was and came back or seems to have come back for revenge here. What do you make of this . I have to tell you, neil, its very rare, but it does have historical precedence. In fact, we consulted on the mount sinai shooting and talk to the dean of the hospitals. A former Research Doctor was let go. Later went for him with a shotgun and shot him down a block from the clintons house. Its unbelievable. When theres a deranged thing process and an available weapon, its a terrible recipe for disaster. This is not a surprise. I worked in that precinct for 14 years, the 46th precinct, the mount sinai area. Its been to this hospital hundreds of times. Its a tough spot a tough area. But that has no bearing on this doctor coming in and shooting the guys down. Its horrible. Neil from what were gleaning, theres nothing close to this in awhile. One of the things that come up is the security of hospitals in general. If youve ever been obviously love in the new york metropolitan area, theres security at all hospitals. In this city, theyre particularly intense. They keep an eye on everybody and anyone that gets in, even if youre waiting in the emergency room, they have a separate security screening for a lot of folks. Obviously, this was a familiar face. That might have made a big difference, right . I think of course its speculative, but we happen to provide security to hospitals in the bronx. Im intimately familiar with the ring of steel that they try to envelop the hospitals in. The idea is if one of the officers knew that face, he would get the nod no different than the captain coming through tsa. Its human nature. That may have been the circumstances. Of course, its pre matumature speculate. What we can say and what we do know, the shooter in this case, dr. Henry bellow is dead. First they said he was neutralized. Hes been shot and killed. Were hearing from the new york city Police Department, two victims have been shot. We know of a total of six that might have been injured. That doesnt mean they were all shot. Some might have been running away or getting into a scuffle. We have no idea on the condition of the two that were shot. We do know that doctors were among those that were targeted and whether they were directly involved in the dr. Bellows firing, i have no idea. What do you look for when you piece this together, his access, how far he was able to get, back presumably to the floor. What do you piece together . Are you saying in terms of taking a rear view mirror look at target hardening . Neil yep. Would begin at the door. The Security Officers assigned there, they would be interviewed closely. Logs would be looked at. Cameras would be retroactively screened and scrutinized. Youd establish a baseline fact pattern and identified what breaks if any. Evidently there is a break there in terms of there individual gaining access. I dont know what kind of weapon he was carrying. Its early on. Very foggy. I dont know. To my normally, theres never been a wanding protocol the identified weapons at the hospital. My sense is theres not at this time. Its rare. Ive never seen it at a hospitals entrance. You can be certain there will be extraordinary and welldeserved scrutiny and analysis of the people processes and the technology. The technology is a big part of it, too. How did he get through. Was the weapon concealed . Will cameras identify that . Was it a long rifle . I dont know. Neil what were hearing, it was an m16 assault rifle. He was wearing a lab coat and had the rifle hidden inside the lab coat. I dont know if theyre magnetometers. If he was fired and much depends on when he was fired, but in a lot of buildings, commercial enterprises, im sure hospitals, they post a picture of the individual so if you see this individual come in, dont let him in. Obviously even if they had Something Like that, he was able to continue in. Familiarity might have been a factor. Maybe people didnt know he was fired or anything was amiss there or maybe he was targeting them on his way up to his old floor whether that was his old floor. Obviously the security part of this and the fact someone had been fired and either that wasnt readily conveyed or warnings had be placed. If you see this guy, dont let him in. If that was going on, it wasnt honored here what do you make of that . A couple things. Lets assume for discussion in terms of protocol and processes, lets assume that he was fired and was identified that there may have been a disgruntled employee here and the Third Party Security and the internalized security should be made aware of it. If that was the case and this individual came in with an ak47 under a lab coat and walked by them based on familiarity is extraordinarily troubling. Lets talk about mass and lets talk about contour. You put on a lab coat and shove an ak47 in the coat and button up, youre going to get stopped 5,000 times in the street of new york. Thats the way it works. Its obvious based on the facts if it turns out to be truthful and based on fact. Hes not coming in with a 38 on his ankle. This is a very bulky, very cumbersome weapon difficult to conceal in best circumstances. Neil thanks very much, pat. Were going to go to a former dea agent. And mayor de blasio is on his way to the hospital. To add to confusion, the projected traffic jams, the president will be in new jersey this weekend. Air traffic is temporarily halted and certainly ground traffic builds when that happens. The president expected to depart the white house for that trip shortly. What youve heard and what youve seen and the precautions or something that went awry here to allow this former doctor to return to the place from which he was fired and do what he did. What do you think . Statistically in too many cases, the shooter is either a current or former employee. In fact, just recently, within the last year, the nypd, the fdny is required all high rise buildings, Public Assembly venues to train people with an active shooter. One of the things they stress, its particularly important to address issues with disgruntled employees. That being said, your last guest made a couple of valid points. Number 1, does security have photographs or any sort of Access Control systems by which they can identify someone that has been terminated and shouldnt have access to the hospital. Also mentioned with respect to carrying a firearm, its not easy to carry a rifle. Id agree. If he was walking down a street for a long period of time, probably wont happen. A weapon like that theyre saying its an m16. Zero chance of that. Fully automatic weapon is not the case in this incident. Neil why do you say that . Because the likelihood that he had accessibility to fully automatic m16, m4, the military rifle, fully automatic. If he had anything that looked like it, probably an ar15. Who knows. The reports will be inaccurate in the initial telling. If you put that in a bag, a large bag a lacrosse bag or Sports Equipment bag, youll walk down the streets ive done it myself with absolute impunity. When you get to the hospital, open it up, take it out and you dont have the layer of scrutiny that youd expect with someone walking with a weapon under a lab coat. When he dresses as a doctor, no one challenges him. A lot of issues that we dont know the answers to right now. The danger posed by disgruntled employees, familiarity, access ability that the employee will gain because they worked their for how many numbers of years . They may not have known that person has been terminated. David, were learning more about what went down here. Sadly we have to pass along that one other person might have been killed in this. The gunman killed at least one person. Were hearing a woman. Thats all we know before he turned the gun on himself. He killed himself. I dont know whether he knew the woman in question, whether he just stormed in and did what he did. The kind of thing you piece together when you piece it back, is familiarity. Who he knew and who he was after, right . And under what circumstances was he terminated. Was he terminated because he displayed a pattern of aggressive behavior. Did he make threats upon being separated from employment. Those questions we have yet to answer. Was it a domestic dispute . Someone that he had a personal relationship or a supervisor . Until we get more facts to the nature of the victim, it was just speculating. Do you ever wonder i dont know what the policy is in new york or any area for hospitals. Particularly in urban areas. Security that ive seen is fairly tight and quite intense. There there are magnetometers or anything that would pick up a gun or anything like that. Does it depend on the hospital . This is a large hospital system. What do you make of it . Likely no magnetometers at the desk. Especially a busy hospital like bronx lebanon hospital. A lot of traffic going in and out. Lots of metal detectors. Adds security but slows down access. So staff there not alarmed. Lets say they have magnetometers. Then what . Then theyre just the first victims. If you have the magnetometers, you need personnel prepared to take action. Likely there was no magnetometers at that location. He would know that because hes an employee there. Neil all right. The president is getting ready to travel to the new jersey area, spending the weekend at what is oftentimes called his summer home, summer white house in bedminster, new jersey. Right now that will affect traffic in the new york metropolitan area when the president flies in. People on the ground know it. This comes at a time when theres a routine freezing in the airspace when theres a feared incident taking place or even a hint of something taking place. It was never described that way here. This is a new freeze on local traffic in the area. Even air traffic in the area post this development. Now the added adventure for area new yorkers and new jerseyians and those trying to get home tonight with the president also in their neck of the woods, it can be a travel nightmare. Ed hartnet joins us. Hearing what you have, sir, what do you make of it . We do know that the shooter there was another victim. Looks like a woman. He took her out. Then shortly thereafter turned guns on himself. What do you make of that . Good afternoon, neil. Yeah, sadly another episode of workplace violence. As the other guest mentioned, i love to see the circumstances of his termination. A lot of times these guys fester for a while. I dont know how long hes been out of work but apparently festering for a while. Id love to work this back. See his social media presence, his computer, his phone. Hindsight is 20 20. Im sure there will be a lot of seething anger that nobody picked up on. Another sad, tragic case. Neil sir what do they do in a case like this . They say the immediate crisis is passed and the gunman is dead a former employee killed himself. Hes taken out. They obviously still have Something Like a lockdown in place, right . What do they do on the outside perimeter . What is procedure here . They cant take for granted that hes alone wolf until that is confirmed. Theyll want to see if he has accomplices, anybody that he is friendly with that would maybe indicate that he was not acting alone. I think its cuts and dry right now. Hes a loner. He took advantage of his former position there. Highly educated man there. Even if there were metal detectors, im sure he would wave to the friendly security folks and he knew them and knew how to get in and out real quick. A guy like this, he could be more dangerous because he doesnt scare about getting caught. No escape plan. Most active shooter incidents are over in four to five minutes. He knew he wasnt coming out. He didnt care. Neil this could have lasted a while if you believed the initial reports that we got that lets say the shooting started around 3 00 p. M. Eastern time. He opened fire on five different floors of this medical center. One area was on fire, whether set by an explosion or shooting at home. He was busy. He was busy. Curious to see how much ammo he brought with him. If he brought bags, he was prepared to lay siege. But the explosion was him shooting or hit an oxygen tank or something. Neil does it make a difference if he didnt get the attention that someone unusual maybe people were familiar with him, wearing a Police Agencies<\/a> involved in this investigation. The one thing, neil that we try to find out quicker than anything is whether or not there were any warning signs that this guy would have come back to work if in fact this guy did work there. If he would have come back to work and caused what he did today. The Police Department<\/a> there in new york city, theyre trying to desperately figure that out. They have the assistance of the atf already, the alcohol tobacco and firearms. Trying to figure out where did he get the weapon, was there a manifesto posted on social media. You have multiple teams of investigators trying to sift through this to try to make some understanding of it. Can you help me in terms of i know hospitals have heightened security, particularly the new york city area. More so than conventional public buildings. What is the set up for hospitals and the double precautions they take for this sort of thing . Thats an excellent question. Im very familiar with hospitals and their response to active shooters. Ive been working with a number of hospitals. What they do real quickly, so your viewers understand, every hospital is very segregated in terms of the types of patients that they house. So what happens in an active shooter situation, once the alert goes out, theres an active shoot in the building, each section shuts down. What does that mean . The patients stay in their room but that section of the hospital is locked and locked down and i think thats probably what happened at that hospital today. When you do it that way, you contained the shooter to a limited area where they may be in the building. Thats how they do it. One other thing, neil, hospitals practice for active shooters typically a quarter. Theyre very welltrained. They have their own Security Team<\/a> and trained to handle this situation. Neil if indeed it was a doctor who was fired, he would look familiar to a lot of people that either didnt know he was fired or wouldnt think anything of him returning to the building so there would be an element of trust, wouldnt there. Thats correct that goes back to what i said earlier, were there any warning signs. Again, this is a very fluid situation. We dont know as a matter of fact. If in fact this doctor was terminated, lets say a day earlier this week or last week, did Human Resources<\/a> alert people, security to be on the watch out for this guy . We dont know. So all of those questions will probably be sifted through tonight and the police will try to figure it out. One other thing, did this guy act alone . We dont know that yet, this is very fluid. Are there any other bombs or anything like that around the hospital . We dont know any of those things. Very fluid. This is what the responsibility of the investigators is right now, neil. Neil all right. If you can stay there, rod. Were going to wnyw. Theyre on site. Lets listen in. Apparently this is a situation where somebody lost their job and lost touch with reality. Dr. Henry bellow, the gunman. He came back with vengeance on the mind against his former coworkers. Against least two of the four people were shot. He was a Family Medicine<\/a> practice doctor before being let go. We heard he came in carrying a possible m16 rifle. Many rounds. Looks like a targeted attack. This happened on an upper floor. Not in an area crowded with a lot of people. Sounds like this person had recently been let go from his job. Looking at the casualty list, two or three of them are physicians themselves. Theyre former colleagues possibly who are targeted in this attack today. Some sort of professional grudge after doctors forced him to snapped. Four to six people injured. Their extent, unknown. We continue to look at video from a short while ago. The ground floor where this all took place. The gunman identified. Dr. Henry bellow. Hes now dead. He shot four to six people were being told from Police Sources<\/a> inside the hospital before he himself lost his life. Neil all right. I want to go back to rod wheeler, if we can, guys. You heard about that. They identified the doctor in question. The one that was doing the shooting as dr. Henry below. They dont know when, but that he came back for vengeance. Armed with an m16 assault rifle. Four to six were shot. Two of them were doctors. Maybe former colleagues or superiors. Hard to tell. Piecing that together, rod, the fact that he returned normally when someone is fired, they put your picture outside the building or all entrances, saying dont let this person come in here. What can we glean from this . Youre right. The one thing was listening for and that we all listen for, neil, key indicators. Key indicators that this person could come back and cause some type of problem such as it appears this guy did today. When this guy was terminated, how long ago was it that he was terminated . Was it a week or two weeks . When he was terminated, did he make any specific statements as in ill be back or somebody will pay . Those types of things are what we call key indicators. When we hear those statements made by individuals that have been terminated on the job, we have to take an appropriate response. We typically let most of the Security Team<\/a> know, the faculty and staff know. Those are the kind of things in an active shooter situation, we really try to find the answers to. Because that could help us learn in the future, you know, to try to prevent these things from happening again. Neil rod, if you can hang on. Were bringing in a daily news reporter. While we wait for him, rod, a quick question. Normally when someone is fired and it happened quickly, they discontinue your security passes so that they will not work. If youre a familiar face or youre a doctor around proceeding as normal, youre not going to be aggressively screened, right . Thats right. Youre exactly right. The other thing that is so important about this particular case today, sounds like this guy went to a particular floor. The reporter said its on the 17th or 18th floor of the hospital. If that is the case, that tells me that this person had a vengeance against someone or something. Neil all right. Do you maybe the supervisors neil finish your thought. Yeah. The supervisor or neil were having problems with your cell phone connection. I apologize. Pat is joining us. Learning what you have in a former doctor, we dont know when he was terminated at that hospital. But that he was and came back or seems to have come back for revenge here. What do you make of this . I have to tell you, neil, its very rare, but it does have historical precedence. In fact, we consulted on the mount sinai shooting and talk to the dean of the hospitals. A former Research Doctor<\/a> was let go. Later went for him with a shotgun and shot him down a block from the clintons house. Its unbelievable. When theres a deranged thing process and an available weapon, its a terrible recipe for disaster. This is not a surprise. I worked in that precinct for 14 years, the 46th precinct, the mount sinai area. Its been to this hospital hundreds of times. Its a tough spot a tough area. But that has no bearing on this doctor coming in and shooting the guys down. Its horrible. Neil from what were gleaning, theres nothing close to this in awhile. One of the things that come up is the security of hospitals in general. If youve ever been obviously love in the new york metropolitan area, theres security at all hospitals. In this city, theyre particularly intense. They keep an eye on everybody and anyone that gets in, even if youre waiting in the emergency room, they have a separate security screening for a lot of folks. Obviously, this was a familiar face. That might have made a big difference, right . I think of course its speculative, but we happen to provide security to hospitals in the bronx. Im intimately familiar with the ring of steel that they try to envelop the hospitals in. The idea is if one of the officers knew that face, he would get the nod no different than the captain coming through tsa. Its human nature. That may have been the circumstances. Of course, its pre matumature speculate. What we can say and what we do know, the shooter in this case, dr. Henry bellow is dead. First they said he was neutralized. Hes been shot and killed. Were hearing from the new york city Police Department<\/a>, two victims have been shot. We know of a total of six that might have been injured. That doesnt mean they were all shot. Some might have been running away or getting into a scuffle. We have no idea on the condition of the two that were shot. We do know that doctors were among those that were targeted and whether they were directly involved in the dr. Bellows firing, i have no idea. What do you look for when you piece this together, his access, how far he was able to get, back presumably to the floor. What do you piece together . Are you saying in terms of taking a rear view mirror look at target hardening . Neil yep. Would begin at the door. The Security Officers<\/a> assigned there, they would be interviewed closely. Logs would be looked at. Cameras would be retroactively screened and scrutinized. Youd establish a baseline fact pattern and identified what breaks if any. Evidently there is a break there in terms of there individual gaining access. I dont know what kind of weapon he was carrying. Its early on. Very foggy. I dont know. To my normally, theres never been a wanding protocol the identified weapons at the hospital. My sense is theres not at this time. Its rare. Ive never seen it at a hospitals entrance. You can be certain there will be extraordinary and welldeserved scrutiny and analysis of the people processes and the technology. The technology is a big part of it, too. How did he get through. Was the weapon concealed . Will cameras identify that . Was it a long rifle . I dont know. Neil what were hearing, it was an m16 assault rifle. He was wearing a lab coat and had the rifle hidden inside the lab coat. I dont know if theyre magnetometers. If he was fired and much depends on when he was fired, but in a lot of buildings, commercial enterprises, im sure hospitals, they post a picture of the individual so if you see this individual come in, dont let him in. Obviously even if they had Something Like<\/a> that, he was able to continue in. Familiarity might have been a factor. Maybe people didnt know he was fired or anything was amiss there or maybe he was targeting them on his way up to his old floor whether that was his old floor. Obviously the security part of this and the fact someone had been fired and either that wasnt readily conveyed or warnings had be placed. If you see this guy, dont let him in. If that was going on, it wasnt honored here what do you make of that . A couple things. Lets assume for discussion in terms of protocol and processes, lets assume that he was fired and was identified that there may have been a disgruntled employee here and the Third Party Security<\/a> and the internalized security should be made aware of it. If that was the case and this individual came in with an ak47 under a lab coat and walked by them based on familiarity is extraordinarily troubling. Lets talk about mass and lets talk about contour. You put on a lab coat and shove an ak47 in the coat and button up, youre going to get stopped 5,000 times in the street of new york. Thats the way it works. Its obvious based on the facts if it turns out to be truthful and based on fact. Hes not coming in with a 38 on his ankle. This is a very bulky, very cumbersome weapon difficult to conceal in best circumstances. Neil thanks very much, pat. Were going to go to a former dea agent. And mayor de blasio is on his way to the hospital. To add to confusion, the projected traffic jams, the president will be in new jersey this weekend. Air traffic is temporarily halted and certainly ground traffic builds when that happens. The president expected to depart the white house for that trip shortly. What youve heard and what youve seen and the precautions or something that went awry here to allow this former doctor to return to the place from which he was fired and do what he did. What do you think . Statistically in too many cases, the shooter is either a current or former employee. In fact, just recently, within the last year, the nypd, the fdny is required all high rise buildings, Public Assembly<\/a> venues to train people with an active shooter. One of the things they stress, its particularly important to address issues with disgruntled employees. That being said, your last guest made a couple of valid points. Number 1, does security have photographs or any sort of Access Control<\/a> systems by which they can identify someone that has been terminated and shouldnt have access to the hospital. Also mentioned with respect to carrying a firearm, its not easy to carry a rifle. Id agree. If he was walking down a street for a long period of time, probably wont happen. A weapon like that theyre saying its an m16. Zero chance of that. Fully automatic weapon is not the case in this incident. Neil why do you say that . Because the likelihood that he had accessibility to fully automatic m16, m4, the military rifle, fully automatic. If he had anything that looked like it, probably an ar15. Who knows. The reports will be inaccurate in the initial telling. If you put that in a bag, a large bag a lacrosse bag or Sports Equipment<\/a> bag, youll walk down the streets ive done it myself with absolute impunity. When you get to the hospital, open it up, take it out and you dont have the layer of scrutiny that youd expect with someone walking with a weapon under a lab coat. When he dresses as a doctor, no one challenges him. A lot of issues that we dont know the answers to right now. The danger posed by disgruntled employees, familiarity, access ability that the employee will gain because they worked their for how many numbers of years . They may not have known that person has been terminated. David, were learning more about what went down here. Sadly we have to pass along that one other person might have been killed in this. The gunman killed at least one person. Were hearing a woman. Thats all we know before he turned the gun on himself. He killed himself. I dont know whether he knew the woman in question, whether he just stormed in and did what he did. The kind of thing you piece together when you piece it back, is familiarity. Who he knew and who he was after, right . And under what circumstances was he terminated. Was he terminated because he displayed a pattern of aggressive behavior. Did he make threats upon being separated from employment. Those questions we have yet to answer. Was it a domestic dispute . Someone that he had a personal relationship or a supervisor . Until we get more facts to the nature of the victim, it was just speculating. Do you ever wonder i dont know what the policy is in new york or any area for hospitals. Particularly in urban areas. Security that ive seen is fairly tight and quite intense. There there are magnetometers or anything that would pick up a gun or anything like that. Does it depend on the hospital . This is a large hospital system. What do you make of it . Likely no magnetometers at the desk. Especially a busy hospital like bronx lebanon hospital. A lot of traffic going in and out. Lots of metal detectors. Adds security but slows down access. So staff there not alarmed. Lets say they have magnetometers. Then what . Then theyre just the first victims. If you have the magnetometers, you need personnel prepared to take action. Likely there was no magnetometers at that location. He would know that because hes an employee there. Neil all right. The president is getting ready to travel to the new jersey area, spending the weekend at what is oftentimes called his summer home, summer white house in bedminster, new jersey. Right now that will affect traffic in the new york metropolitan area when the president flies in. People on the ground know it. This comes at a time when theres a routine freezing in the airspace when theres a feared incident taking place or even a hint of something taking place. It was never described that way here. This is a new freeze on local traffic in the area. Even air traffic in the area post this development. Now the added adventure for area new yorkers and new jerseyians and those trying to get home tonight with the president also in their neck of the woods, it can be a travel nightmare. Ed hartnet joins us. Hearing what you have, sir, what do you make of it . We do know that the shooter there was another victim. Looks like a woman. He took her out. Then shortly thereafter turned guns on himself. What do you make of that . Good afternoon, neil. Yeah, sadly another episode of workplace violence. As the other guest mentioned, i love to see the circumstances of his termination. A lot of times these guys fester for a while. I dont know how long hes been out of work but apparently festering for a while. Id love to work this back. See his social media presence, his computer, his phone. Hindsight is 20 20. Im sure there will be a lot of seething anger that nobody picked up on. Another sad, tragic case. Neil sir what do they do in a case like this . They say the immediate crisis is passed and the gunman is dead a former employee killed himself. Hes taken out. They obviously still have Something Like<\/a> a lockdown in place, right . What do they do on the outside perimeter . What is procedure here . They cant take for granted that hes alone wolf until that is confirmed. Theyll want to see if he has accomplices, anybody that he is friendly with that would maybe indicate that he was not acting alone. I think its cuts and dry right now. Hes a loner. He took advantage of his former position there. Highly educated man there. Even if there were metal detectors, im sure he would wave to the friendly security folks and he knew them and knew how to get in and out real quick. A guy like this, he could be more dangerous because he doesnt scare about getting caught. No escape plan. Most active shooter incidents are over in four to five minutes. He knew he wasnt coming out. He didnt care. Neil this could have lasted a while if you believed the initial reports that we got that lets say the shooting started around 3 00 p. M. Eastern time. He opened fire on five different floors of this medical center. One area was on fire, whether set by an explosion or shooting at home. He was busy. He was busy. Curious to see how much ammo he brought with him. If he brought bags, he was prepared to lay siege. But the explosion was him shooting or hit an oxygen tank or something. Neil does it make a difference if he didnt get the attention that someone unusual maybe people were familiar with him, wearing a White Lab Coat<\/a>. You dont think someone wearing a lab coat is going to do Something Like<\/a> this. If he had been fired, people that saw him didnt know that or didnt recognize him. Obviously he got through in an area that security would tell you he shouldnt have been able to get through. So something went lacks somewhere. So thats the kind of thing that they tried to rehash afterwards, right . Yeah. The hospital may have been reluctant to post his picture. Probably worried about litigation, et cetera. I would bet he was fired quietly. A lot of folks didnt know he was terminated. They probably deactivated his i. D. Card. It was probably not Common Knowledge<\/a> of the staff that he was terminated. Those are procedures that they have to take a hard look at. Neil all right. Thanks very much. I do appreciate it. Right now, we have a former nypd official. Sal, thanks for taking the time. What youve been able to piece together from what weve reported, im told this is as close to a lock down that you can have inside and outside a hospital area. Vehicles are stopped there. Theyre not going anywhere. That would continue until they want to confirm for sure theres not an additional shooter or that accomplice on site, right . Another thing that theyre concerned for, secondary devices that may have been planted. We sought that out in l. A. We have an active shooter come in and put the devices down so when Law Enforcement<\/a> responds, harm comes to them. So you need to establish that perimeter. You need to be able to look for this was all part of the response protocols in place in new york now where we would go in and start looking for secondary devices that may have been planted. Im sure you looked for this all the time. Ive seen this in present attacks. For example, isis attacks also. This is not a terrorist attack. But many of them were dressed as local constables, police. In one attack in turkey, another in belgium a couple of them were dressed as local police. In this case, someone in a White Lab Coat<\/a> would not get the kind of attention that lets say someone that wasnt wearing Something Like<\/a> that would have gotten. Is this something that we have to be more aware of . The fact that we tend to let down our guard when we see familiar people . Its very true. Especially in a hospital setting where its doctors. Neil people you truth. You give them the courtesy and the access that they need. You know, its interesting in that in all of those attacks where someone regardless of where it took place, the key thing is, they have to figure out how to gain access. What is the easiest way for them to get in. Obviously in this case, a past employee wearing the lab coat is able to get in. One of the things that will happen as a result of this, well look at breaking it down, what was the motivation, what was his purpose for being there, what was the target he was looking for. Your guest just before had said, what is sad in these situations is there is no escape plan. So they know how its going to end before they walk in. That is sort of important for us in lessons learned. Obviously doesnt help us today, but going forward, well look at the attack methodologies, what their planning was, what their target selection was and trying to utilize that and trying to better our plans to identify them before the situations occur. Neil and people that cant escape as well. Its tough for people to get moving if Something Like<\/a> this happens. One other quick question to ask you, sal. This area were looking outside. It seems to be wellcordoned off. As they cant to search for, additional accomplices or others. How wide would that range be . This is by some estimates just a couple miles away from yankee stadium, for example. How wide do you keep this berth . Depending on what is occurring. Its important to note, sometimes in these attacks maybe not in this particular situation, but sometimes in these attacks, what we will develop, well recognize postings that the person made, that the attacker may have made or will receive phone calls social media messages that may indicate secondarytype devices. Sometimes they will give a head fake to where it may have been planted. So depending on the intelligence depends on how far you setback the initial perimeter. In general, youre probably looking to keep a block to two blocks back from the location. You know, one of the key problems you have here is the hospital and you have a maternity ward. Thats where you have probably the highest level of security. So youre concerned about whatnot only might be coming in but what might be coming out at the same time. You set it up a block away, two blocks away and you work gradually inside. Neil i lie before. It was my last question. Were hearing its unrealistic that this guy had an m16. It would have been too big to hide and too obvious to ignore. Even though youre in a hospital where police would see you. Theyd be the first to notice Something Like<\/a> that. What do you make of that . Had to be a different type of weapon. The type of weapon if somebody looks at a weapon that appears to be an assault rifle, the first thing that everybody is familiar with is just the nomenclature. He had an m16. Neil hang on to the thought. Wnyw is still on the scene. Lets listen in. Were hearing yes, its confirmed from police that the shooter who was a former doctor is dead. Here on scene again, people just trying to figure out what happened and more people wanting to see if theres patients that will be coming out. Well be here. If we hear anything, well send it back to you. Neil were going to continue monitoring that. Were getting reports that the fbi says they have a couple agents on scene. For now, the nypd is the lead in this. Dr. Manny alvarez, maybe you can help out. You worked in many hospitals yourself. Doctors tend to be among fellow doctors and doctors that work with them, no matter how crowded or busy the hospital, it would appear this guy with familiar enough not to alarm folks. No way to know that for sure. What do you think of that . And the notion that people were not aware till too late what he was up to . Neil, i have to tell you, ive been waiting for a story like this to happen. I have talked about and written about the safety of hospitals. I have to tell you, hospitals are not safe. Yes, we have these codes to deal with an active shooter or a fire or a crisis. But we dont have any good way of preventing crime. Hospitals right now all over the country, especially in new york city, theyre really very disorganized in preventing somebody from walking in with a gun trying to commit a crime. This is a wakeup call. I hope the mayor of new york and the leaders of the city look at this and say, are we doing a good job in monitoring the prevention of crime in our hospitals . This is a perfect example. So far as a doctor is concerned, we also have to realize we have a mental crisis right now in a lot of healthcare professions. I dont know the story so far why the doctor was let go and what was the circumstances. If you look at health care today, Mental Health<\/a> professionals are going through severe mental crises. Right now theres no positive way or preventative way to model low these people and say how can we help you . We let you go. What is going on in your life . Are there any drug abuse problems . Because it doesnt happen. They basically walk you out the door and they kick you out. Again, im not justifying as to why this individual got let go. But we have a huge disconnect in the healthcare profession today and the Mental Health<\/a> crisis going on in new york. Neil what happens when you are kicked out . I know you worked at Hackensack University<\/a> hospital. You might have some i. D. Required of you there. I dont know if you go through various security points. I know dr. Bello had to have some. He probably still had an i. D. What do you think happened . Of course. In a hospital when it comes to security, people that man the reception halls, they come and go. Theyre not employees that have been there for 20 years. If a doctor walks in and he has the attitude, calls himself a doctor, even if he has an old i. D. , because hospitals need to sometimes we change the i. D. Every two years or three years. Now we have more electronic monitoring to get inside doors but a lot of hospital does do that. Neil but if someone gets fired, do they do what they do in other commercial enterprises and post their i. D. At security points so the guards working there know . This guy comes in, dont let him in . Exactly. Thats why i said at the beginning, hospitals dont have a good way of the doing that. Corporations have that. Hey, this person was let go. Take the i. D. Away. He cant come in to the building anymore. Theres a very secure way. Hospital is such an open space, patients, families, you name it, that we have forgotten and we have to realize that yes, this was a known shooter for the hospital staff. Probably another reason why all of this happened. Can you imagine a terrorist attack . Get a white coat a fake i. D. And walk into any hospital and commit a tremendous crime. This should be a wakeup call to the city of new york and many other cities around the country. We have to look at the safety of our hospitals. Because things like this could happen. Neil doctor, thanks very much. Again, this borderline lookdown or however you want to describe it outside this bronx hospital, its about 1 1 2 miles from new york yankees stadium. That wont be an issue tonight. The yankees are playing the astros in houston, texas. So nevertheless, in and around that area will be a nightmare. David lee miller on the scene. What can you tell us . Neil, the headline this hour, authorities are saying that a shooter has been killed. Theyre not elaborated, not saying whether the police shot the shooter or whether the injury was selfinflicted. Apparently the shooter is now dead. This from authorities. No word that there may be a second shooter. Were hearing now outside the hospital, bronx lebanon hospital, you can see for yourself, that although theres dozens and dozens of police cars and other emergency crews on the scene ill let you take a look for yourself. The hospital is in lockdown and seems to be under control. According to someone who was here moments after the shooting that i talked with shortly before going on the air, he has heard we have not independently confirmed this as many as three people were shot by the gunmen. It has been said that the gunman fired on the 16th floor of the hospital injuring at least one person there. That person reportedly making it to the ninth floor. Two other people reportedly shot on the eighth and second floor. I emphasize again, we have not confirmed this information. The person i talked to on the scene said he had heard that as many as three people had been shot. Authorities have not yet identified the gunman. There are reports that the gunman may have worked at the hospital. Some of the reports say that he was wearing what appeared to be a White Lab Coat<\/a>. Again, this information also unconfirmed. Were waiting now for new yorks mayor bill de blasio to hold a news conference. Hes here at the scene and we expect at that time to learn more information about what happened here at the start of the july fourth weekend. Again, neil, emphasizing the gunman were told is now dead and authorities not yet identifying who this individual was or what the possible motive was in the shooting here at bronx lebanon hospital. Neil . Neil thanks very much, David Lee Miller<\/a>. There are reports that they have identified the gunman. Our own affiliate has report dr. Henry bello was working at the facility. We dont know how long before he was terminated and this was probably vengeance. No way of knowing. Well keep you posted. Were keeping you posted on developing news that the president is making his way to new jersey. He surprised folks with a tweet. Offering republicans with a new approach to the healthcare situation. Repeal now and replace later. I was thinking to myself, wasnt what rand paul said a few days ago . Hes back. Hes here. Rand paul after this. U do all th on a perfect car, then smash it into a tree. Your Insurance Company<\/a> raises your rates. Maybe you shouldve done more research on them. 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Thats in context of a 500 bill definite it is. Next year the predictions are that well have a trillion deficit. I cant see loading up a republican repeal bill with all kinds of goodies. A super fund for insurance bail why its, super fund for opiate abuse. A super fund for anybody that wants in the bill. If we have a clean repeal and have a separate spending bill that for the Big Government<\/a> republicans that think spending is the answer, put it on a bill that the democrats like and they can work with the democrats on the Big Government<\/a> aspect to it. Lets have a repeal bill because thats what we promised. Neil but if you have a repeal bill, what happens to the existing measures and coverage in place under obamacare now . I think what we do is try to honor our promise to repeal it. Repeal as much as we can get the votes to repeal. Neil lets say we repeal it. Every republican senator but Susan Collins<\/a> of maine, if i recall. I think we can do that again. It repealed most of the taxes. It repeals some of the regulations. It sunsetted the subsidies and sunsetted the medicaid expansion. We dont go nearly half that far now with the new repeal bill. The new repeal bill at the last time i was notified has an insurance bailout fund. It was 110 billion. They now have increased it to 180 billion. We were at two billion for opioid abuse. Now were 45 billion. We appropriated money last year for opioid abuse. They havent spent what we appropriated last year. They cant figure out where to spend the money. This is crazy. If we separate the bills, honor our promise and repeal obamacare. Its very complicated to fix it. Lets repeal it. Neil when would you work on that part . Its obvious that this broadbased support, unanimous among republicans for repealing it. But waiting a long time to find a replacement and going on to taxes could be problematic, too. I think you can do it concurrently. In fact, i think in the next three weeks, you can present two bills. One that repeals it or as much as we can agree to and the other one that has a bunch of spending programs can be on the s chip bill. A form of medicaid for children. Usually goes through overwhelmingly. If theres spending proposals, put it on that bill. Keep the repeal bill neil and is there a new healthcare act . What would you call them . It would be a reauthorization of a program. Has unanimous support from democrats. It will get half the democrat caucus. Youll pass spending bills separately. You can do it the same day. You can say the moderates, well give you more spending over here but on a separate bill. You say to conservatives like me worried our debt, i cant vote for that spending. If you want my vote, clean up the repeal. Dont put all the christmas ornaments on it. Give me repeal. If the democrats insist on christmas ornaments that cost 180 billion, they can do it on a different bill. You can do them the same day. Neil you could. But a lot of stuff seems easier, senator, doesnt happen. What would happen then to all of the taxes in the Affordable Care<\/a> act . One of your colleagues, several have talked about hanging on to the 3. 8 sur tax on rich folks. All that would go under your plan. They need to go back and listen to themselves. They all ran for office virtually every one in the senate ran and said repeatedly they were for repealing obamacare. They didnt say repealing half of it or some of it except for some of the taxes. They said they were for repealing it. People at home need to give them an earful. Why arent you doing what you promised . Were hearing from the left. We need to hear from the Tea Party Movement<\/a> and the right and let people know we want to honor the promise. Neil all this time we wasted, right . No, well still get there. Im optimistic believe it or not that something will happen. The president is, too. I think if the president bushes neil was he bitter or angry . No. He wants the same things i want. He has a conservative vision for the country. Neil this is what he wanted to do he originally wanted to do this, right . I imagine he was a little upset. Its similar to what i wanted to do. I wanted to do repeal and replace in separate bills. We talked past each other. But separate bills makes it easier to pass the repeal bill. If you load the repeal bill with spending and worries people like me who see the deficit going to a trillion next year. Neil thanks, senator. Very good seeing you. Democrats are going for their own blood it seems. Democratic Congress Woman<\/a> Sheila Jackson<\/a> lee demanding President Trump<\/a> resign right now. Heres what you missed from a fascinating exchange on fox business network. I fear that his continual assault on women compounds the fact that i would ask him, its a job he does not seemingly like, he needs to resign. I stand by that. Hes inappropriate for the office. You cant get answers from his cabinet officers about housing, about state Department Issues<\/a> because theyre not staff. Theyre not staffed because the white house cant seem to agree on appointments. You have to run this country on behalf of the American People<\/a> as samuel adams said freedom of thought makes a happy country. Neil seems like you wont give him a chance the media has the right to neil congressman, i said i think his tweets, when he gets off subject and gets personal, i think theyre bad news. They get off his agenda. But neil, he constantly neil but Congress Woman<\/a>, that doesnt mean that youre out as president. Let the American People<\/a> decide that. The American People<\/a> have decided. His polling numbers are down under 40 . Neil i can remember when Ronald Reagan<\/a> was in the 30s, Congress Woman<\/a>. But Ronald Reagan<\/a> was a commanderinchief neil my point is, you go by polling numbers, we would have never seen Ronald Reagan<\/a> reelected. Im going by his behavior neil you dont like him. Youre free not to like him and youre absolutely free not to like him. I dont stand for myself. I stand for individuals that are offended by his actions. Neil based on things you dont like, based on a direction his taking this country. Absolutely not neil and Congress Woman<\/a>, you said youre not going to vote in the middle of trying to call it immigration day yesterday, republicans had to address the question neil i understand that, Congress Woman<\/a>. You and i agree. But now you add it it by saying youre not going to vote on anything until hes out of there. Did i understand that correctly . Im very concerned about his leadership of anything that we propose in the United States<\/a> congress, including mean healthcare bill neil youre not going to vote on anything . Youre not going to do your job because you dont think hes doing his . Im going to do my job. Im going to vote no neil youll still vote. I read this to believe that you werent even going to do that. Absolutely not. I would never not vote. I represent my constituents and i know the health bill needs a no vote and the sanctuary cities vote needs a no vote. The reason is because of the power given to the executive. Neil youre okay with part of this. I dont want to get bogged down on the 25th amendment. One of the things it include is the Vice President<\/a> agreeing that he believes the president is incapacitated to do his job. A majority of the cabinet. What would you think a Vice President<\/a> pence in this scenario becoming president pence . First of all, let me say you raised the 25th amendment. I know what it is because im a lawyer and on the judiciary committee. What i said on the floor, i maintain that the president resign. I think it is because hes ill suited and apparently maybe unhappy in the position. Very difficult neil so you were not among these 21 House Democrats<\/a> including Ranking Member<\/a> of the House Judiciary Committee<\/a> to get cracking on a 25th amendment invocation . I want to be clear what i said. I think the 25th amendment is in play. To answer your question about Vice President<\/a> pence, that is a normal course of government which is if the president resigns or impeached or incapacitated of the United States<\/a>. I would not override that neil youre not getting into this whole 25th amendment thing. Let me ask you this i didnt say i wasnt getting into it. I talked about resignation. Thats voluntary. Im asking the president to resign. Neil you think its a bit premature . Dont you have to wait for a high crime or a misdemeanor before we can have this discussion . No, neil. Remember, impeachment is a separate legal action that falls under the constitution and weve been having hearings. Ive held hearings with john dean and professor kiefer and neil lets say we get a democratic president on the road and they dont like his or her tone or their demeanor or if theyre tweeting or saying things that are deemed in politics and they have the same push to say get out of there . Thats are you trying to suggest that democrat president s havent had the same cry . This president is extra ordinary. Neil this one youve never done this with a prior president. You dont like this one. No. First of all, the president spoke about war in syria and most of his cabinet members, military didnt know anything about it the qatar situation, his secretary of state said Something Different<\/a> from neil you see a lot of smoke but you want to fire him. You see smoke but you want to fire him. No. I said i want him to resign. Neil i was confused there. Either going to go to the 25th amendment route and say that President Trump<\/a> is mentally or physically incapacitated to do the job or just resign or just impeach. Regardless, it comes down to because they dont like him. They dont like the guy. I dont know if that fits high crime of misdemeanor to pursue Something Like<\/a> this. Thats where we are at this point. Two dozen democrats are of that opinion. Hes got to go. What did you think of that . Is that fair . I dont care if youre on the right or the left. But to force your will if you dont like a guy, you dont like his tweets to kick him out of office . If the shoe were on the other foot, tweet us, team cavuto. I dont want any discussions about my weight or ill come down on you like a break after this. [vo] when it comes to investing, looking from a fresh perspective can make all the difference. It can provide what we call an unlock a realization that often reveals a better path forward. 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Roughly 4 trillion in wealth added since he was elected president , not that should be a factor in your thinking here. Appreciable gains across the board, the major market averages the best half of a performance in the better part of a decade. Record low unemployment. The argument to get rid of the guy, you are going to have to do a little bit better than that and have a high crime or misdemeanor then go after his hair. I mean, we are getting into silly things here, folks. Regardless what you think about the president s tweets. Lets elevate this debate is something that makes sense. Lets not Start Talking<\/a> about impeachment or firing someone based on the fact you dont like someone. You have to go a little bit higher, a little bit more meaningful. There will be a quiz on monday. Eric i am ever bowling along with eboni k. Williams and kat timpf. 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