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Lots of labour mps are very unhappy that the have said labour mps are very unhappy that the theyre have said labour mps are very unhappy that the theyre going have said labour mps are very unhappy that the theyre going to have said labour mps are very unhappy that the theyre going to havethati that theyre going to keep that cap. We will be discussing and debating whether or not its a good policy or not and with inflation coming down this week, we say have we broken the back of it . Are things on the up . Well be speaking to gb news favourite Justin Urquhart stewart on this subject later and also asking is it time for our Dame Alison Rose yes, the ceo of natwest to go. Yes, the ceo of natwest to go. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. And we should be so lucky well be speaking to music. Well be speaking to music. What i say get married to me. He should be so lucky. But go on, well be speaking to music legend Pete Waterman about the new musical should be so lucky. That will coming soon. That will be coming soon. Tell think about tell us what you think about which favourite at which is your favourite at stock. And waterman , song stock. Aitken and waterman, song and im a big bananarama and artist. Im a big bananarama fan. You like rick astley . Certainly never i certainly do. Im never going you yeah. And going to give you up. Yeah. And of course, we want to know what you think about all of these issues of the day. Get involved in the conversation. Email us gbviews gbnews. Com and well read through as many as we can throughout show. But first, throughout the show. But first, its the News Headlines with tatiana. Tatiana. Thank you very much and good morning. This is the latest from the newsroom. Millions of rail passengers are set to face continued disruption as strikes by the rmt continue on one of the busiest days for travel this yeah the busiest days for travel this year. Thousands of rmt members at 14 Train Companies are walking out over pay and conditions. Survey offices are also disrupted because of a ban on overtime by aslef union train drivers. Meanwhile, the port of drivers. Meanwhile, the port of dover says it could take passengers up to 2. 5 hours to passengers up to 2. 5 hours to pass through border checks dunng pass through border checks during peak hours, as schools have broken up for the holidays and enhanced post brexit passport checks by French Border officials have also increased the processing times. Travel the processing times. Travel expert simon calder has been at the port of dover this morning. The port of dover this morning. He is expected to turn up at a rate of 3018 per minute and certainly the rate ive been seeing them here so far this morning, that feels about right. This, of course, is the ferry port that takes people to across to calais and also to dunkirk. Actually, just looking around , actually, just looking around, its moving pretty slowly. They are saying they could possibly be have have delays of 2. 5 hours. Meanwhile , hundreds of meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of people are expected to pass through gatwick and heathrow airport, adding to those travel difficulties , those travel difficulties, airports around 200,000 people are expected at Manchester Airport and around 71,000 at bristol, with passenger volumes returning to pre pandemic levels this summer and some ports exceeding those volumes. The border force expects to see more than 34 million arrivals coming through the uk passport control over the coming months. Well over the coming months. Well families going on european beach holidays are being hit by higher pnces holidays are being hit by higher prices as compared with last summer due to inflation. New figures from the post office show the cost of meals , drinks show the cost of meals, drinks and beach items have risen year on year. Puglia in italy was the only location where prices for uk visitors have dropped the highest annual increases are in bulgaria. Turkey and madeira , bulgaria. Turkey and madeira, while supermarket costs have more than doubled their margins on fuel since russias invasion of ukraine. The rac says asda, tesco , morrisons and sainsburys tesco, morrisons and sainsburys were making an average of around 4. 7 pence per litre on fuel sales when the ukraine war began in february last year. Sales when the ukraine war began in february last year. The in february last year. The motoring Company Found this had increased to around £0. 10 per litre, leading to higher pump prices. So supermarket fuel margins were 2. 3 pence per litre in 2016. Now the number of cancer staff leaving the nhs is on the rise, with more than 4000 having left the workforce last yeah having left the workforce last year. New figures from nhs england show the rate of those leaving cancer hospitals and Community Health services has hit 12. 1 in the year to september last year. That was an increase from 10. 4 the year before and the highest rate since at least 2010. Well, it comes as new analysis from Macmillan Cancer support shows since 2010, the number of patients seen by a specialist for suspected cancer has grown almost four times faster than the number of nhs cancer staff. The number of nhs cancer staff. A range of measures to tackle inequalities in health care for women have been launched by the government. £25 million will be spent on health hubs to support women at every stage of their lives. Women who suffer pregnancy loss have been promised improved care and as part of new measures, the nhs website will also be updated to include more content on home hormone replacement therapy and enable girls and women to access information more easily. Enable girls and women to access information more easily. The information more easily. The government is to consider creating a National Memorial in honour of the late queen elizabeth. The second, a committee to decide on a monument is expected to be announced ahead of the anniversary of her late majestys death. Queen elizabeth majestys death. Queen elizabeth died on the 8th of september. She was 96. And finally Kensington Palace has released a photo of Prince George to mark his 10th birthday. Prince george is pictured smiling for the camera , wearing a chequered camera, wearing a chequered shirt and teal trousers while sitting on a on the steps of windsor, the future king celebrates his birthday today. This is gb news. Well bring you more as it happens. Now its back to esther and philip. Back to esther and philip. Thank you, tatiana. And now welcome back to saturday morning live with esther and phil. Now, the people of oxbridge made their concerns known when it comes to ulez in the by election this week. Is this the start of the motorist fight back with over 33 million cars on the road, will this be the deciding factor for the next general election . Joining us now to discuss this is the leader of the reform party, tice , this party, richard tice, this morning. Richard so is it the motorists fight back . Could this swing back the next general election . Motorists have said, you know what, youve fleeced us for long enough in the name of the environment and it isnt true. True. Absolutely. Without question. This is the beginning of the fight back by motorists and by voters against the madness of net zero. Phil and esther, because thats whats driving all of this and thats whats driving sadiq khan khans complete obsession with Climate Change with net zero, frankly, to the detriment of londoners about other issues. This was a remarkable turnaround. Youve remarkable turnaround. Youve got a labour candidate who, when he actually started knocking on doors, he panicked and realised that this was a major, major issue. So he did a u turn and then his leader thought about doing a u turn on one day and then flip flopped on another day. When talking to lbc. And look, the truth is that quite rightly , they have been sent rightly, they have been sent away with the tail between the legs. This is the second time, of course, because, as in Cambridge City , in a council Cambridge City, in a council by election, just a few weeks back, a councillor from your party, the conservatives , is not party, the conservatives, is not often elected. I think for the often elected. I think for the last dozen years in cambridge , last dozen years in cambridge, which he won on the basis of a campaign against the congestion charge in cambridge. So this is clearly the beginning of the fight back. But its more than just the motorists, its the voters saying we dont want this, this huge cost that is imposed on all of us by net zero. So i actually think we should be calling out this week. This is pete net zero madness. And we have a chance of winning against the eco cult. Richard , obviously for the richard, obviously for the london Mayoral Election, youve got howard cox as your candidate who sort of the ultimate defender of the of the motorists , but whos been doing it for many , many years. Obviously the many, many years. Obviously the london Mayoral Election next year for the first time, like the uxbridge by election, is going to be done on first past the post. Didnt the uxbridge by election show that if people want to beat sadiq khan and they want to beat sadiq khan and they want to beat sadiq khan and they want to stop the expansion of ulez and all the rest of it, the only way of doing that is by voting conservative. No, no, not at all. Because we didnt stand a candidate in uxbridge. What it shows is that actually what motorists want, what our candidate, howard cox, the ultimate campaigner on behalf of motorists for over a decade, motorists support what andindeed decade, motorists support what and indeed londoners uxbridge voters support what howard cox stands for, which is to scrap not only the expansion, but actually the existing ulez, which again, is a tax on the poor people , wants to get rid of poor people, wants to get rid of all the dreadful low traffic neighbourhoods schemes that are actually causing more pollution and more congestion. And in many, many areas we dont need the 20 mile an hour limit that actually is slowing down. Traffic makes no difference at all to safety as data clearly shows from the university of belfast. And thats what motorists want. So howards the guy whos standing up for londoners and getting london moving. I think itll be a very exciting election, without question. Question. On richard tice, leader of reform uk, thank you so much for joining us this morning. We really it. Really appreciate it. This really is the first and this really is the first time motorists and this really is the first time motor ists have stood up. Time motorists have stood up. I mean, weve said for ages how placid they have been for years that the motor should be the biggest voting lobby that there that the motor should be the bi in est voting lobby that there that the motor should be the bi in the loting lobby that there that the motor should be the bi in the country bby that there that the motor should be the bi in the country and that there that the motor should be the bi in the country and 3|at there that the motor should be the bi in the country and 3 millions is in the country and 3 million cars the road. Thats a lot cars on the road. Thats a lot of cars, lot households all of cars, a lot of households all being now. Being impacted. Now. Found voice. Theyve found their voice. Now their voice. Now theyve found their voice. Lion roared anyway, now theyve found their voice. Look lion roared anyway, now theyve found their voice. Look through roared anyway, now theyve found their voice. Look through the red anyway, now theyve found their voice. Look through the top anyway, now theyve found their voice. Look through the top stories, to look through the top stories of the day, weve got more lions roaring in the studio , were roaring in the studio, were joined by former labour Party Adviser Matthew Lazar and diary editor of the spectator, james hill. So im editor of the spectator, james hill. So im going editor of the spectator, james hill. So im going to editor of the spectator, james hill. So im going to start with you, matthew watts. What sort of got your attention this morning . Think on the well, i think on the by election is weve by election front is weve nobody stopped talking about how young in the winner young the winner in the winner in yorkshire is. I mean, ill tell you what, never mind the old about policeman, you old joke about policeman, you know, when the mps are getting youngen know, when the mps are getting younger, think younger, you know, i think anybody what i was anybody whos over what i was going 40, i going to say over 40, but i think whos over 25in think anybody whos over 25in politics last few politics has spent the last few days if theyve days wondering if theyve pressed the boat. But theres a more serious issue here about young people and parliament because labour criticise it when the in the slightly notorious bofis the in the slightly notorious boris resignation list, the in the slightly notorious boris resignation list , the 29 boris resignation list, the 29 year old certainly did Charlotte Owen their 29. They were saying its a disgrace. How can she be having speeches in the house of lords . Passing comments . Whereas hell passing comments . Whereas hell be 25 and a law maker . She was be 25 and a law maker . She was passing comment on it. A revisionist, as it were, what have you. But i think the difference i mean, i think the difference i mean, i think the difference is, that that difference is, is that that that shes there for life. Shes there for life. So hopefully shes got 50 years ahead of her. Shes there for a few months. Well, few years at well, i hope a few years at least but possibly obviously, least, but possibly obviously, it is danger is only it is a danger that he is only there a few months, although there for a few months, although im. So you think it im sure. So you dont think it matters experience. Im sure. So you dont think it matmum experience. Im sure. So you dont think it matmum came experience. Im sure. So you dont think it matmum came out experience. Im sure. So you dont think it matmum came out fightingience. Im sure. So you dont think it matmum came out fighting for e. His mum came out fighting for him. She hes always him. Didnt she say hes always wanted to be Prime Minister the was an intern since the age was an intern three ago . Absolutely. So three years ago . Absolutely. So what was like in in, you say what was he like in in, you say nearly took him on. Sounds you didnt that sounds if you didnt take was because take him on it was because the role didnt come up. I would have him if the i would have taken him if the role come up. Okay role had come up. Okay because thought it wasnt because you thought he no, no. He was a. No, no. Mean, i do feel a bit sorry i mean, i do feel a bit sorry for him in is grandfather saying that he wants to be Prime Minister at looks like that he wants to be prime minsort at looks like that he wants to be prime min sort of looks like that he wants to be prime minsort of comment oks like that he wants to be prime min sort of comment that like that he wants to be prime min sort of comment that might the sort of comment that might haunt william haunt you forever. Like William Hague speech, hague in his conference speech, which a 12 15 year old. What do you think about this, james . I mean, obviously, Johnny Mercer of stick for mercer got a lot of stick for saying looked an saying that it looked like an episode inbetweeners episode of the inbetweeners or something and that and criticised him spending criticised him for spending more time than had time at university than he had in when was in work. I remember when i was trying to get selected for the 2001 i was doing my 2001 election, i was doing my selection. Was and selection. I think i was 27 and lots associated fans said to lots of associated fans said to me that youre too, youre too young. Were not going to pick young. Were not going to pick you too young. You because youre too young. Do you because youre too young. Do you think do you think it you do you think do you think it matters . Well, first of all, on the Johnny Mercer, in between his i thought so his comment, i thought it was so inbetweeners mum came inbetweeners that his mum came out him. Inbetweeners that his mum came out was him. Inbetweeners that his mum came out was like him. Inbetweeners that his mum came out was like willsn. Inbetweeners that his mum came out was like wills mum. Its it was like wills mum. Its like hes that. Oh, god. I once you said he wants to be prime aged six. It be Prime Minister aged six. It was sort of getting worse, wasnt i thought at wasnt it . I thought thats at least last he needs. Least the last thing he needs. Look, i think really but look, i think its really about its about about with mps, its about character, and frankly, character, not age. And frankly, you know, churchill was 25 when he elected. Benn was 25 he got elected. Tony benn was 25 when people when he got elected. People get elected ages. Elected all different ages. If youre vote, youre old enough to vote, i think old enough to think youre old enough to stand. Its up to think youre old enough to starvoters its up to think youre old enough to starvoters they its up to think youre old enough to starvoters they want; up to think youre old enough to starvoters they want top to think youre old enough to starvoters they want to put you the voters they want to put you in. Thats good enough. And i think that also it seems that you too old, you know, youre not too old, youre too young. And youre not too young. And i think it matters reviews. Think all it matters is reviews. And up for your constituents . Yeah, no, i although yeah, no, i agree. Although i think what you want is a Cross Section people in parliament. Im just going you im just going to say, you dont of commons dont want a house of commons full more than dont want a house of commons full want more than dont want a house of commons full want it more than dont want a house of commons full want it full more than dont want a house of commons full want it full of more than dont want a house of commons full want it full of nyear han you want it full of 75 year olds. And think one danger is, olds. And i think one danger is, is that in politics weve seen everybody was everybody be and indeed i was looking list of the ages looking at the list of the ages of ministers europe looking at the list of the ages of the1isters europe looking at the list of the ages of the guyrs europe looking at the list of the ages of the guy wants europe looking at the list of the ages of the guy wants become because the guy wants to become prime the netherlands because the guy wants to become pr62. The netherlands because the guy wants to become pr62. Said e netherlands because the guy wants to become pr62. Said e netoo lands because the guy wants to become pr62. Said e netoo old. S because the guy wants to become prithats said e netoo old. S because the guy wants to become prithats becomei e netoo old. S because the guy wants to become prithats becomei e bigtoo old. S so thats become a big thing. And actually average is and actually the average is about that and actually the average is abcgot that and actually the average is abcgot stuck that and actually the average is abcgot stuck with that and actually the average is abcgot stuck with all that and actually the average is abcgot stuck with all theset and actually the average is abcgot stuck with all these 45 we got stuck with all these 45 year old ex special advisers, cameron boss. Cameron clegg, my old boss. Theyre all cameron clegg, my old boss. Retirees. Theyre all cameron clegg, my old boss. Retirees. They . 3yre all like retirees. Are they . Theres hope for us yet. Maybe youve got an eight year prime year old running for Prime Minister. Be a bit different like joe biden in america, though, i have we though, i have to say, we had some over they some friends come over and they watched on watched the final pmqs on wednesday, americans, wednesday, the americans, and they couldnt believe how feisty it witted you they couldnt believe how feisty it to witted you they couldnt believe how feisty it to be. Witted you have to be. And they said, oh, my god, that would finish off. He that would finish biden off. He would he had would not be president if he had to stand. He cant even read the autocue. That was autocue. So i thought that was interesting. Have to interesting. You would have to do its brutal. Do pmqs. And its brutal. I think honestly, i love it. I think honestly, pmqs fantastic because you pmqs is fantastic because you get standing up get people standing up and getting minutes the getting their two minutes of the most country most powerful man in the country and and american and its brilliant. And american americans, will they watch it . And you say and we mock it here. You say punch and judy politics. They love love in love it. They would love it in Congress Love it. They would love it in conwhat stories caught your eye, what stories caught your eye, james . Was rather james . Well there was a rather interesting which think james . Well there was a rather in was. Ting which think it was. You brought philip, about you brought up, philip, about whats manchester. Whats going on in manchester. Oh, this is my well, this is this is my favourite story of the day. Its in the daily star, obviously. The paper record. Naturally, the paper record. Naturally, the paper record. It must it must be true. It must be it must be true. Page 17 of daily star. It must be it must be true. Page 17 of daily star. Manx page 17 of the daily star. Manx mad for car sex. Randy mancunians top the list of brits who would rather romp in a car. And more serious news then. Yeah, obviously more than a third, 37 said they would opt for a motor over a mattress. Now, the thing that struck me about this survey, which i thought was interesting here, is that place of that in third place of the people likely to want to people most likely to want to mmp people most likely to want to romp were people from romp in a car were people from liverpool. Oh i can second that one or third. It well but i have i, i have no personal experience. The people who came second got to get in with the people who came from the spirit were from. Oh. From yorkshire. Oh. Goodness. Were dead certs. He came top from manchester and you represent a seat thats very manchester. Very close to manchester. So i thought between us that we were, we two of you we were between the two of you with we were between the two of you witiyeah, know. We were between the two of you witiwe h, know. We were between the two of you witiwe were now. We were between the two of you witiwe were talking about a we were talking about a motorist today. It motorist revolution today. It wasnt a sexual revolution. It wasnt a sexual revolution. It was one actually about being charged excesses. So james carr sex i mean im from im from london so ive never this isnt my youre only ever on the tube. So is it tube sex on a bike cost of living crisis. You know , but i mean you know, but i mean i thought it was just quite interesting and perhaps says something about, you know, some of the more adventurous elements up bear mind up north, which are bear in mind , next time the roads there. Matthew, your youre a manchester. I am. A non driver. I it takes im a non driver. I it takes two it takes two to tango, to be honest, in both cities or at least to start with. Least to start with. No. But somebody else could have what hes have the car is what hes saying. You. Saying. Not just you. Absolutely. Be in the passenger. 5 passenger. A passenger. So you could be a passenger. So moving summer of sunak moving on to a summer of sunak ism, because i think youve embarrassed. I think you dodged that. Does. I think he does. I think he does. He he did. He did. He did. He did. He did. Just case. I find that im he did. He did. Too case. I find that im he did. He did. Too old ase. I find that im he did. He did. Too old to a. I find that im he did. He did. Too old to be find that im he did. He did. Too old to be and that im he did. He did. Too old to be a politiciann not too old to be a politician at later point in life. At some later point in my life. These come back and haunt these things come back and haunt me. Do you think it could me. But do you think it could have been worse . The sun today. It this is in the sun today. It could been worse. Now could have been worse. Now get ready a of sunak ism. Ready for a summer of sunak ism. Now threat of a now there was a threat of a reshuffle. This week was it probably, idea . He probably, james, a good idea . He didnt reshuffle on didnt have the reshuffle on friday have friday because it would have probably looked immediate probably looked an Immediate Reaction to the by elections that well for him. Agree. And i think that its about trying keep party in trying to keep party unity in the people. The ranks and talking to people. Obviously, talking the ranks and talking to people. Obviorthe talking the ranks and talking to people. Obviorthe cabinet, talking the ranks and talking to people. Obviorthe cabinet, tfurther about the cabinet, but further down minister down the ranks as well. Minister of state level pcs, etcetera, they move up. So its they want to move up. So its a good of keeping troops good way of keeping your troops in summer and in line over the summer and really more really doing a bit more implementation move implementation as you move out of phase into the of that kind of phase into the kind communication kind of communication phase before kind of communication phase befhave kind of communication phase bef have heard kind of communication phase befhave heard any rumours have you heard any rumours about james here . Have you heard any rumours abo got james here . Have you heard any rumours abo got Michael James here . Have you heard any rumours abo got michael gove ames here . Have you heard any rumours abo got michael gove going here . Have you heard any rumours abo got michael gove going toe . Health. I mean, ive heard some, some, rumours. I think. I some, some rumours. I think. I dont think if you look at rishi sunak what he said sunak style and what he said previously, hes going to do a great purge. Et cetera. Great big purge. Et cetera. The kind of boris did in 2019 when he got half he came in and got rid of half the do think the cabinet. But i do think certain ben certain posts, obviously ben wallace going to wallace at defence is going to be a key question. Do you move, say into role say someone else into that role to another portfolio . To free up another portfolio . Begging James Cleverly begging to stay hes in James Cleverly begging to staywanting hes in James Cleverly begging to staywanting to hes in James Cleverly begging to staywanting to move 1es in James Cleverly begging to staywanting to move ats in James Cleverly begging to staywanting to move at all, but not wanting to move at all, but who do think could who else do you think could be moving . Think would moving . I think i think it would be interesting to look at john glen. Shes secretary of treasury. Glen. Might secretary of treasury. Glen. Might be retary of treasury. Glen. Might be atary of treasury. Glen. Might be a contendernsury. Glen. Might be a contender fory. He might be a contender for that role defence. Think role of defence. I also think some junior people like some of the junior people like claire to out Claire Coutinho want to look out for. Shes impressed on the media doing childcare for. Shes impressed on the media and doing childcare for. Shes impressed on the media and idoing childcare for. Shes impressed on the media and i think childcare for. Shes impressed on the media and i think its1ildcare for. Shes impressed on the media and i think its goinge minister and i think its going to be about really kind of making the most making sure youve got the most telegenic into telegenic faces going into that, making points making out the points of arguments. Think basically making out the points of argumento think basically making out the points of argumento have think basically making out the points of argumento have a hink basically making out the points of argumento have a michaelically making out the points of argumento have a Michael Fallon making out the points of argugreato have a Michael Fallon making out the points of argugreato have a miciminister n was great at doing the minister for programme defence for the Day Programme as defence secretary. The secretary. Go out and take the fight labour. What fight to labour. And thats what the conservatives really the conservatives are really lacking at lacking on the front bench at the people the the moment. People to make the argument a pugilist, fight argument a pugilist, to fight like rayner or like an Angela Rayner or something, have a something, who would you have a sort round. Sort of shuffling round. Mean i think is well i mean i think it is shuffling deckchairs on the titanic. The old titanic. So to bring out the old cliche, mean the idea titanic. So to bring out the old clicheyou mean the idea titanic. So to bring out the old clicheyou know, an the idea titanic. So to bring out the old clicheyou know, changingea titanic. So to bring out the old clicheyou know, changing the that, you know, changing the culture secretary another culture secretary or yet another Health Secretary for the last year government, i think year of the government, i think one does really year of the government, i think one it does really year of the government, i think one it a does really year of the government, i think one it a sort does really year of the government, i think one it a sort of does really year of the government, i think one it a sort of itoes really year of the government, i think one it a sort of it doeseally year of the government, i think one it a sort of it does add to give it a sort of it does add to the sort of end of the government. Theres a danger government. Theres a big danger for though , for my for this week, though, for my guy, for keir senior, as well now have to call him with with keir junior. Just call him now have to call him with with keirjunior. Just call him sir. Keir junior. Just call him sir. Hes the sir keir. The other one hasnt got that title yet. Think theres a bit a i think theres a bit of a danger at the moment danger for labour at the moment because the National Policy Forum Meeting in nottingham. Because the National Policy forum goodnessg in nottingham. Because the National Policy forum goodness i in nottingham. Because the National Policy forum goodness i dontttingham. Because the National Policy forum goodness i dont have|am. Because the National Policy forum goodness i dont have tor. Thank goodness i dont have to go to these things and not on the payroll at this weekend in nottingham therell be a lot nottingham and therell be a lot of pressure over two things. One of pressure over two things. One of which is actually on the green which was kind of green agenda, which was kind of on the, which was the actual on the, which was on the actual agenda event anyway, agenda of this event anyway, which theres quite lot which is theres quite a lot of pressure within the party. My old ed miliband, has old boss, ed miliband, has evangelical on the on the green agenda and theyve already ditched the £28 billion a year for the green policy. For the green policy. So theyre now wobbling on the wobble. Theres a big divide between the unions to keep jobs the unions who want to keep jobs in in some Traditional Industries and do you think the by election result in uxbridge will sway decision . Will will sway that decision . I think youll see obviously, will will sway that decision . I ticase youll see obviously, will will sway that decision . I ticase wasloull see obviously, will will sway that decision . I ticase was pretty;ee obviously, will will sway that decision . I ticase was pretty clear viously, a case was pretty clear yesterday condemning, yesterday in condemning, in condemning and condemning siddique. But i think i think what the danger now is you have a sort of labour wobble over the summer becomes story. Summer that becomes the story. Youve of, you know, youve had a kind of, you know, you the is you know, were not the media is like of, were due, like we kind of, were due, were due labour moment a bit were due a labour moment a bit of another moment as of a theres another moment as well there, the well isnt there, with the child benefit. So the two child benefit. So the two child benefit cap. Absolutely. Which benefit. So the two child bethet cap. Absolutely. Which benefit. So the two child bethe other absolutely. Which benefit. So the two child bethe other which utely. Which benefit. So the two child bethe other which utely. \thing is the other which is the thing that be talking that will be will be the talking about weekend. About this this weekend. Were talking about it later on as well. On this show as well. Of the matter the truth of the matter is the the the current position on the child, on the two child benefit thing be tweaked. Thing will have to be tweaked. Miliband do you think ed miliband might his job . I, job . I,i think there is a i, i think i think there is a possibility might possibility that he might get shuffled environment shuffled out of the environment portfolio. I think youll keep him shadow ive him in the shadow cabinet. Ive got to be careful there. Youre giving up on lots if youre giving up on lots and shuffling and then youre shuffling everybody a everybody out, could you make a lot backbenches . Miliband i, i think i think the problem is, is that miliband could time be as could over time be seen as the kind this the green kind of voice of this the green new the big divide is new deal, the big divide is between unions who want to between the unions who want to keep the and the party keep the jobs and the Party Activists all of, activists who are all kind of, you are sort you know, a lot of whom are sort of greenpeace. Theyre of greenpeace. You know, theyre in rspb, in greenpeace, the rspb, and therefore environment is therefore the environment is means to them. So thats means a lot to them. So thats thats look for. Means a lot to them. So thats tha is look for. Means a lot to them. So thats thai think look for. Means a lot to them. So thats tha i think the ok for. Means a lot to them. So thats thai think the key for. Means a lot to them. So thats tha i think the key thing,. Means a lot to them. So thats tha i think the key thing, the i think the key thing, the key thing is trying to get a sort good balance between sort of good balance between opinion and also sort of good balance between opirparty, and also sort of good balance between opirparty, because and also sort of good balance between opirparty, because you nd also sort of good balance between opirparty, because you needso sort of good balance between opirparty, because you need to the party, because you need to motivate your activists go motivate your activists to go out and i think a lot out and vote. And i think a lot of were pretty of activists were pretty disgruntled of activists were pretty disthe1tledchild benefit cap. I on the two child benefit cap. I was the was i was sat outside the Parliamentary Labour Party i Parliamentary Labour Party on i think it monday or tuesday think it was monday or tuesday listening could hear think it was monday or tuesday listeninlabour could hear think it was monday or tuesday listeninlabour mpsould hear think it was monday or tuesday listeninlabour mps standing all the labour mps standing up and criticisms. And voicing criticisms. And i think is an think that shows that this is an issue kind of tensions think that shows that this is an issthe kind of tensions think that shows that this is an issthe labour kind of tensions think that shows that this is an issthe labour party,i of tensions think that shows that this is an issthe labour party, which nsions in the labour party, which keir starmer to paper over starmer had a lot to paper over the theyre theyre the cracks, theyre theyre beneath and the beneath the surface and the tories those out tories want to bring those out and this summer. And exploit them this summer. But fun. But a bit of fun. Just just stop oil. Just stop. Just stop oil. Fantastic. Stopping them. Yeah. I mean, you know, i think it shows a lot how think it shows a lot about how keir looked keir starmer has looked at the polling. Can see whats polling. You can see whats happened stuff happened in the ulez and stuff and i think its going to and so i think its going to be something to address and so i think its going to be som summer. To address this summer. Nice know how our its nice to know how our parliamentary meetings are so its nice to know how our parlknow,tary meetings are so its nice to know how our parlknow,tary iof etings are so its nice to know how our parl know, tary iof eting covered you know, sort of well covered in know, in the media. Well you know, its all private, isnt it . And everything on. Everything we dont bank on. James soundproofing today. His the victoria james with his glass the door, listening in glass to the door, listening in to were saying, glass to the door, listening in to glass were saying, glass to the door, listening in to glass the were saying, glass to the door, listening in to glass the door. Re saying, glass to the door, listening in to glassay the door. Re saying, glass to the door, listening in to glassay that. Ioor. Re saying, just say that. Just say that. Well, you both be well, look, you both be staying more stories of staying with us. More stories of the things the day, more things thats happening. Much happening. Thank you very much indeed, were indeed, matthew and james. Were coming moments. Coming up in a few moments. Wednesday, saw a bigger fall in inflation than was expected. So does that mean weve broken the back of it . Well speaking to back of it . Well be speaking to friend of the show, Justin Urquhart , about that. Urquhart stewart, about that. And about the cuts debacle and also about the cuts debacle and whether its time for the ceo of that bank to resign this evening. Gb news the peoples. Channel peoples. Channel yes, weve moved positions and weve come to the cosy area. Welcome back to saturday morning live with esther and phil. Its now 1026. Lots of you have been getting in touch over that ulez scheme and the uxbndge that ulez scheme and the uxbridge by election. Clive here says is it not the case that air quality on London Underground is worse than that on the roads . Maybe they should start there. Absolutely right. Clive it is a disgrace on the tube. Youve got to wash your hair once youve been under there. Yeah. Chris says when diesel and petrol cars are no longer made, payments made, will ulez payments be scrapped . I think hes cynically suggesting the payments suggesting that the payments will continue and will still continue and i suspect, chris, i suspect youre probably right. Just another tax as we all thought could the end be in thought now could the end be in sight for britains inflation problems after it fell to its lowest level in over a year this week . Well joining to run week . Well joining us now to run through Economic News through the latest Economic News is co founder of is director and co founder of regional Justin Urquhart stewart. So it was a good bit of news for the government this week. Inflation had fallen lower than people expected. So has the back of inflation been broken . And of inflation been broken . And will rishi sunak meet his targets of halving inflation by the end of the year . Hes promising a lot, saying hes going to halve it, particularly when he cant control actually say, control it. He actually say, well, going to halve well, im going to halve inflation. But good inflation. How but yeah, good news, coming down and weve news, its coming down and weve seen drops in energy. Weve seen big drops in energy. Weve seen big drops in energy. Weve seen also in food. Seen drops also in food. However, of course, what have you had this week . The russians cutting sea cutting up about the black sea and we have the price of wheat going up again rather dramatically. So yes, items which were expensive had come down again are showing signs of going back up. Were not going back up. So were not there yet of course, there yet. Also, of course, inflation has been embedded because youre seeing through because youre seeing it through the as the the pay rises. However as the levels start coming down for next years pay rise, theres less argument to say its double digit. Its now single digit. Youre bringing it down to a closer good that does the good news that inflation is coming down mean that is that a that the bad news is that a recession is more likely to be that the bad news is that a recthe on is more likely to be that the bad news is that a recthe way . More likely to be on the way . Well, we could had to well, if we could have had to bnng well, if we could have had to bring the show down, bring the tone of the show down, i to be positive. I was trying to be positive. Look know, as boris say, the look you know, as boris say, the sunny but you bring sunny uplands. But no, you bring us answering his us down so answering his question, you could actually will we will a recovery. Will we will see a recovery. Is going to be and it is going to be positive. I know. But unfortunately, if could have unfortunately, if we could have a bank of a governor of the bank of england who could please stop putting up, putting Interest Rates up, interest if Interest Rates will impact if you relating to you had inflation relating to consumer spending, the consumer boom , there consumer boom boom, there is no consumer boom. This is actually a structural issue. So therefore you find other ways dealing with it. Issue. So therefore you find other had dealing with it. Issue. So therefore you find other had far dealing with it. Issue. So therefore you find other had far tooling with it. Issue. So therefore you find other had far too much ith it. Issue. So therefore you find other had far too much money weve had far too much money being printed all those being printed and all those areas, we could have more areas, so we could have more government spending. But in government not spending. But in terms breaks more terms of tax breaks for more investment those investment coming through, those are all positive elements which would encourage things. So itll probably continue to fall. But will we actually see a recession . Weve been pretty close to one for past year. Close to one for the past year. We get excited, its 0. 1 or its 0. 2. By the time youve actually worked that out over a year or so , it basically its flat. So, it basically its flat. Yeah. What you need to do, i think it should be a summer of reflection for rishi sunak shouldnt it. Dont tax people when you dont to for ulez dont need to for these ulez schemes. Dont getting schemes. Dont be getting Interest Rates going. But think of bringing them down and tax. You need think of you you need to think of those. You need people have some need to make people have some more money left in the pocket. Give them some encouragement to more. Can you to do so. Make tax more. Can you make it positive . How do you make it positive . How do you make it positive . Actually make it positive . By actually making get making sure that people get rewarded certain for rewarded for certain taxes. For example, youre actually example, suppose youre actually getting people to pay tax getting people to pay more tax on items. You on certain items. Now you actually give them a discount on maybe tax or capital maybe inheritance tax or Capital Gains tax Something Like gains tax or Something Like that, cost the that, which doesnt cost the government very much money indeed, more indeed, but its making it more positive and youre encouraging People Investment and people to do investment and youre getting more youre then getting more confidence coming back. Youre then getting more con now, e coming back. Youre then getting more con now, just� ming back. Youre then getting more con now, just what back. Youre then getting more con now, just what bwanted now, just what i wanted to ask we obviously had ask you about, we obviously had this issue of nigel this week the big issue of nigel farage and coots bank and the outrage saying that the outrage of them saying that the leaked documents showing why theyd closed his account down because of his political views didnt align with us. They said that, you know, that his values didnt align with their values. And weve got lots of this going on. You know, i think when Dame Alison Rose took over now, she said a top priority was going to be tackling Climate Change. We have of companies the have lots of companies in the ftse that about ftse saying that big thing about sustainability and all this. When i when i worked for asda, we were mainly focussed on looking after our customers. That an old that was maybe seems an Old Fashioned view now. I just wonder what do you make of this trend of Big Companies sort of becoming more polluting is becoming more polluting coal . Is this investors this something that investors are increasingly insist upon from the companies that they want to invest in or is there going to be a backlash from investors, from all of this sort of political interference . This is all you see. Theres three letters. Its become the acronym esg , environmental acronym of esg, environmental sustainable and governance. Basically, you could have that as a form of greenwash to actually say were now doing these things because were looking more politically, etcetera. Green etcetera. Were doing the green things. , how about things. But actually, how about just running your bank properly . Youre not to actually . Youre not there to actually vet. Obviously, got vet you. Obviously, youve got to sure youve got to make sure youve got the customers doing anything customers arent doing anything illegal, anything laundering or anything like that . A that . Have you tried opening a bank account recently . Its quite easy if youre an oligarch. I think youve oligarch. I think if youve actually got opened open one for actually got opened open one for a small you virtually a small child, you virtually have child have to leave the child in custody them custody with a bank to get them to actually do anything about it. Should stick to it. So no, banks should stick to what supposed doing what were supposed to be doing properly, always but properly, but dont always, but also sure also actually just make sure that have they should have that they have they should have Good Governance anyway, in that they have they should have good gofernance anyway, in that they have they should have good gof running anyway, in that they have they should have good gof running a bank, in that they have they should have good gof running a bank , in that they have they should have good gof running a bank , are in terms of running a bank, are they sustainable , they sustainable, environmentally operating in a positive manner . They should be, but its not necessarily the way to run the bank. And certainly actually trying to then make sure they are politically sure that they are politically acceptable by vetting all your clients and customers. No no, no, is not how you run no, no. That is not how you run a business. And worse than that, that id say equity say confidentiality equity should be key in a bank. And if its proved that actually it was Dame Alison Rose who gave the information to a bbc reporter that actually he wasnt didnt have enough credit in the bank, basically said to move the story away. This is going to be a big issue for her. Weve got to prove it. Yeah, but confidentiality surely is key. Could get fired a you could get fired from a bank for doing that, for releasing information releasing customer information and frankly, it would be a very good there good example of sitting there saying loose saying you play fast and loose with your your with information on your on your customers and therefore actually youre being responsible. Youre not being responsible. Youre esg again. Youre back to be esg again. Youre back to be esg again. Youre not actually operating in a the damage to a i mean, given the damage to the that natwest has the reputation that natwest has gone through over the last week, i think a positions i mean, do you think a positions on sustainable . Well, bear on sustainable . Well, no. Bear in still the in mind, we are still the largest owner of this bank, arent we, as 40 of it. And you know, shes leading that business. If shes leading that business. If shes leading that business and not reading it properly, then im sorry. Then she will have to go because im afraid that is a really high profile issue. This and the joke of it was it was the Reputation Committee for bank that was doing this for the bank that was doing this dossier. Couldnt have done dossier. They couldnt have done a of 330 years of age more a bank of 330 years of age more reputational damage. Could you . Reputational damage. Could you . The irony of it, Gerald Ratner, isnt it all over again . Exactly. Exactly. Can i ask you a quick question . Because this is something and have something else. Phil and i have been its to been talking about, and its to do with consultants whove gone on strike over the 6 pay rise. How ever their wages. Between how ever their wages. Between 100,000 and £125,000, they then get taxed 60 rate. So really are they wanting a tax reduction as well as a pay increase . What is going on here . That was the proposal. You that was the proposal. You remember we saw a few months ago that were trying to get rid that they were trying to get rid of the anomaly that those or that were actually that consultants were actually finding that consultants were actually findworth work anymore not worth going to work anymore because to be taxed because im going to be taxed more therefore, wont more for it. Therefore, i wont actually that was actually earn any more that was an anachronism and that has been ironed out, but its making it look very greedy, isnt it . Because what it does is it because what it does do is it allows consultants to say, allows those consultants to say, well, wont nhs work well, i wont do my nhs work because ive a lot of because ive got a lot of private to do instead, private work to do here instead, which more out which i can earn more money out just as always. Just aukus you as always. Very much thank you very much indeed. Coming few moments, coming up in a few moments, well discussing the well be discussing the controversial two child benefit cap labour was always set to reverse it. Keir starmer has changed will be changed his mind will be debating should debating whether it should stay or should go. Or whether it should go. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. Hello, my name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news Weather Forecast brought to you by the met office. 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We were asking Justin Urquhart stewart just before the break whether or not Dame Alison Rose should be sacked for chief executive of natwest and coutts after what happened to nigel farage. We did a twitter poll and the results are in and 88 of people in that twitter poll say yes, she should be sacked. So overwhelming only time for her to jog on as they say and anyway the issue of the two child benefit cap has created a rift in the political landscape. Sir keir starmer has backed the policy introduced by george osborne, the two child benefit cap was introduced back in 2017, designed to be fair to the taxpayer whilst protecting the most vulnerable. Well, joining us now to discuss this is frank young editorial director at civitas. And neil hanvey, leader of the alba party in the house of the alba party in the house of commons. So well start with you. Thank of commons. So well start with you. Thank jung controversial policy. So why do you back it . Policy. So why do you back it . Well, i support this policy because it introduces fairness to the taxpayer into the welfare system. And i think you have to recognise that this policy actually is far from controversial. Outside controversial. Outside westminster. The public overwhelmingly support this policy and capping benefits and keeping some sort of control over the welfare budget and keir starmer i think now recognises that the sort of voters that he needs to win at the next general election support this policy by 3 to 1. So i think that is starting to focus minds within the labour party. Frank, do you accept that whatever the, you know, whether its fair to the taxpayer or not, and whatever the principles are sake, do you accept that if the if this policy was scrapped , it would reduce levels of Child Poverty in the country . Child poverty in the country . Well i dont accept that, actually. I think both major parties vying for government need to set out a more comprehensive poverty strategy ahead of the general election that really focuses on growing the economy, something that even the labour party now accept is a political priority , accept is a political priority, making sure that work always pays and is the best route out of poverty and that means making sure that childcare is affordable and it means making sure we have really good jobs across the country that people particularly parents. Neil, was shaking his head vigorously at lots of that. Neil just to bring you in here, i mean, do you not accept that people should take responsibility for their own lives and if they cant afford to have more than two children, then they should and in effect, you act accordingly . You know, act accordingly . Yeah, i dont think anybodys going to disagree with that assumption. But the reality is assumption. But the reality is that the context in which peoples lives currently exist is that this is this this whole nofion is that this is this this whole notion that its unaffordable. Notion that its unaffordable. Bill, is based on the cameron words of skivers and strivers and pitting one person against the other, a usual neoliberal ploy the other, a usual neoliberal ploy to other the poor. And what people want and need is a fair wage for decent days work, not zero hours insecure surety. And zero hours insecure surety. And the most apparent skivers , if the most apparent skivers, if you like, are the rich people who pocketed billions of pounds in covid contracts. And there is in covid contracts. And there is no outrage over our over that or an attempt to recover that funding. Funding. Neil thats a slightly different issue and i actually think there is outrage. If anybody feels unfairness in any way, if somebody has conned people and got billions of pounds , nobody likes that. But pounds, nobody likes that. But if we go back to the two child policy, it seems even keir starmer now who thought it was a terrible policy didnt want it. The you get to power and the closer you get to power and with all respect, youre nowhere near power. But the closer you with all respect, youre nowhere neato ower. But the closer you with all respect, youre nowhere neato ower. Byou1e closer you with all respect, youre nowhere neato ower. Byou realiseer you with all respect, youre nowhere neato ower. Byou realise the u get to power, you realise the pubuc get to power, you realise the public with it. And public agrees with it. And youve to think the youve got to think of the fairness between taxpayer fairness between the taxpayer and getting and that get person getting benefit. I hear exactly what youre saying, esther, and i understand why the public support because theyve support this, because theyve been that these been fed a narrative that these skivers who are taking this largesse which indeed its not, are undeserving. Are undeserving. And that is not what the welfare state is for, what we need to do is to have people in decent jobs with decent salaries. That gives them a standard of living that lifts them out of in work poverty and not have any need for a two child benefit cap because people have enough money to survive on. The reason we have this is because we dont have this is because we dont have an anti poverty strategy , a have an anti poverty strategy, a comprehensive anti poverty comprehensive anti poverty strategy. Comprehensive anti poverty strategy. We weve advanced a strategy. We weve advanced a five point anti poverty strategy in the alba party. Were very keen to pursue that. But government ministers north and south of the border are not listening to this. And the fundamental question about getting good for getting a good deal for taxpayers is that if you lift people out of poverty, then you dont have to spend money on welfare supplements because people get a decent pay in the first place. And that is the fundamental problem. Neal , can i fundamental problem. Neal, can i just ask you a very quickly , if you can, about very quickly, if you can, about the political fallout from this . Obviously, the fact that the labour party are now saying that they want to theyre going to retain it, which has been very unpopular large sections of unpopular with large sections of the party. Do you think the labour party. Do you think this will make a material difference to their to difference to their ability to win seats in scotland the win seats in scotland when the general election comes . Will it will that this one policy will will that this one policy make a big difference or will it not much difference at all . Not make much difference at all . I think well, i mean, i think it should , but i dont it should, but i dont think it will. I think if look the will. I think if you look at the numbers coming in from numbers that are coming in from the Public Opinion , then the from Public Opinion, then the from Public Opinion, then the public have swallowed this narrative that these skivers shouldnt be able to access support for their children , support for their children, which is really quite a sad indictment of where weve arrived at after 15 years of conservative government. And the conservative government. And the reality is we need to change that conversation and help people understand that this is not about handouts, this is about entitlement. And its about entitlement. And its fundamentally about lifting people out of in work poverty so that they dont rely on benefits to get themselves from. To get themselves from. Im sure youd agree with that, but think you could get out of poverty in a different way. Quick answer, because i know we havent got much time left. Well, i think there is broad agreement on on the need for good jobs that pay well and that and not increasing the welfare budget. We will be spending almost £100 billion on universal credit by the time of the next general election. But one and thatis general election. But one and that is something that i think the labour party are now very focussed on as they approach government. Government. Frank, thank you very much, neal frank, thank you very much, neal. Much indeed neal. Thank you very much indeed for today. Big forjoining us today. A big issue thats rumbling in issue thats rumbling on in politics now by election fever has hit politics this week with a trio of seats being contested on the country on thursday across the country in somerset, and the in somerset, yorkshire and the former seat of Boris Johnson in uxbndge former seat of Boris Johnson in uxbridge with labour, lib dem and conservatives each getting a seat at the by elections were billed as a key for the billed as a key test for the Prime Minister as the 2024 general draws nearer , general election draws nearer, were joined now by labour mp for brighton and kemptown Lloyd Russell moyle. So you must be russell moyle. So you must be pleased after those by election days . Yes well i think the selby result was really delightful. I mean , thats part of your i mean, thats part of your end of the world really. But i end of the world really. But i spent many years in yorkshire and around yorkshire and i know that that was a hard fight, but very pleased to win back selby after for too long in government hands down. And i suspect the liberal democrats are happy as well. The government must be very disappointed to have lost two of their seats and it shows a very bad form for the government. I suspect even the uxbndge government. I suspect even the uxbridge seat , they only managed uxbridge seat, they only managed to scrape through with the very smallest of margins. To scrape through with the very smallest of margins. And i smallest of margins. And i suspect when theres a general election there, we will see that potentially falling to labour as the National Issues rather than local issues win out the day. Well come on to oxbridge in a second. Lloyd but you said that the result in selby was fantastic, which it clearly was for the labour party. Nobody could deny that. Keir starmer could deny that. Keir starmer has been ditching has obviously been ditching quite a lot of the things he inherited from jeremy corbyn. So is this a vindication of keir starmer strategy of doing that . Well i think that what you see is a rejection of conservativism primarily , and thats why the primarily, and thats why the lib dem vote collapsed and all went to labour and the labour vote in the south west collapsed and all went to lib dem. So i think primarily this is an anti conservative vote, but it is quite right that keir has said that the economy will be so wrecked when we get in that we will have to make tough choices. I think that some of the choices need to be made in the round. And i think that the choice to scrap the two child policy needs to still be on the table. When we look in the round the policies that are best to achieve the aims that keir and labour want, is labour party want, which is abolishing poverty among abolishing Child Poverty among other things, but i think it is right that we say we wont be able to do all of them straight away think the voters away and i think the voters appreciate that. Uxbridge , the now in uxbridge, the everybody seems to agree that what lost labour that by election was the ulez policy. Do you agree that that was the reason why the conservatives won that by election and labour lost it . And if so, should labour now be scrapping the expansion of ulez . Yes. Ulez . Yes. Well labour didnt manage to gain that seat, but the conservatives only just scraped hold to continue to hold it. And hold to continue to hold it. And i do agree and i knocked on in uxbndge i do agree and i knocked on in uxbridge many times on the day and beforehand that ulez was a problem. I think it was problem. I think it was a problem. I think it was a problem because we didnt manage to reframe the discussion, to talk about the mitigations that people could play. 90 of people have a ulez compliant car. Its only 10 that dont. But also there is some great fairness issue there. When ulez was introduced in inner london, it was announced by Boris Johnson initially when he was mayor, there was a two year lead in time. There was then four years time. There was then four years from 17th june to 21, when in local residents got a free ulez pass. Now in outer london, that is not being offered. And my view is that ulez shouldnt be scrapped. But people in the outer boroughs should be given the residence pass lead in the same residence pass lead in time that the inner borough was given , which is four years of given, which is four years of a free pass, not for people outside of the borough but people in the borough and that just a quickie, just a quickie. Just a quickie, just a quickie. If keir starmer then gets rid of ulez. If keir starmer doesnt scrap this two child policy. Keir starmer has already got rid of his green policies. Keir starmer has already got rid of his green policies. Are you of his green policies. Are you still happy to be a labour mp . Still happy to be a labour mp . Well, Keir Starmers not getting rid of ulez its a sadiq khan policy so know what khan policy so i dont know what thats got to do with the price of eggs. Clearly we need make of eggs. Clearly we need to make sure that still happy to sure that the you still happy to be labour mp if ditches his be a labour mp if he ditches his green the child green and doesnt do the child policy benefit policy. Well ive policy benefit policy. Well ive been , ive been ive been a been, ive been ive been a labour member under tony blair and gordon brown under ed miliband, Harriet Harman when she was deputy leader and youre staying put. She was deputy leader and youre staying put. Im not going anywhere. Thank you. Thank you very thank you. Thank you very much indeed forjoining us. Now, a spate of recent events has led to questions as to whether britain is still a christian society. Christian society. Last week, a Pro Life Group were prevented from attending york minster and the archbishop of york has described the opening of the lords prayer as problematic. A conservative council has also been suspended for calling pride a sin of the christian faith. Are christian beliefs still competing with modern society in britain . Well, joining us now to discuss is dieppe discuss this is tim dieppe spokesman Christian Concern spokesman for Christian Concern. So, tim, thanks for joining us. Do you worry that being a christian now incompatible christian is now incompatible all with British Society . Thank you. I think its become sadly socially acceptable. It seems to discriminate against christians in our society , and this extends in our society, and this extends even to the conservative party. Even to the conservative party. It appears from the example of councillor. While you mentioned he tweeted that pride is not a virtue but a sin which is standard christian teaching and was just immediately sort of within a matter of days. So suspended from conservative Party Council and from 7 or 8 different organisations including local, you know , including local, you know, initiatives like groundwork, northampton , a local school northampton, a local School Academy that was a governor of and, and then also had a threat of contract removal from his business which forced him to resign as a director of his business as well. Quite an business as well. Quite an extraordinary thing. All hes extraordinary thing. All hes doneis extraordinary thing. All hes done is tweeted standard christian teaching and he gets removed from his job and removed from lots of different organisations. And i think the fact that all these organisations thought its acceptable just immediately cancel him, dismiss him, force him to resign, no questions asked. You tweeted that pride is asked. You tweeted that pride is a sin, therefore you should be cancelled. Shows the extent of, you know, social acceptance of discrimination against christians who express their traditional well thought through historic christian beliefs. That historic christian beliefs. That pride is sinful, for example, and i think thats quite shocking. Tim the thing is, you know, more people describe themselves as christian in the census in one form or another than any other religion. 46 of people, 27. 5 million people. Its down from 2011, but theyre still big numbers. Weve got an established church of england. Weve got 26 church of england. Weve got 26 church of england bishops that sit by right in the house of lords. It doesnt sound to me as if christianity is struggling in the uk. Well ill let me give the uk. Well ill let me give you some more examples then. David mackereth lost his job for refusing to say he would call a woman or a man madam if insisted on doing so. Maureen martin lost her job for actually on election literature, saying she believed marriage had been in a one and a man and a woman and she lost her job for that. And she lost herjob for that. Um Bernard Randall preached in a in a School Chapel in a in a christian act of worship that people should be free to disagree with lgbt ideology. He disagree with lgbt ideology. He lost his job and the church of england actually branded him a safeguarding risk and have barred him. Therefore from preaching in any church across the country. Church of england teaching has been used against christians in court. Their own guidance for schools, which actually says that there should be such things as trans pupils and trans ideology should be taught as fact in certain instances. So there we are, becoming a society thats very intolerant of traditional christian this country. Tim, thank you very much indeed for joining tim, thank you very much indeed forjoining us this indeed for joining us this morning. We appreciate it. Maybe, maybe the church of england needs a bit more england needs to be a bit more pro christian. Absolutely they do, tim. Absolutely they do, tim. Absolutely they do. Absolutely they do. Anyway, coming lee anyway, coming up, lee anderson joins his take anderson joins us for his take on the by Election Results as the chairman of the the deputy chairman of the conservative as well as a conservative party as well as a news presenter and also i can say is we should be so lucky. Waterman shares his Pete Waterman shares his latest Musical Instrument , latest Musical Instrument, inspiration by kylie minaj. Manogue. See you soon. The temperatures rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. On. Gb news. 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Were worried that to going that its to going rain all weekend manchester stop weekend in manchester to stop england from winning aiden yes, well, of course, the lionesses in in australia as well, but well be getting all latest well be getting all the latest sports aiden sports and showbiz from aiden and. And of course, we and hayley. And of course, we want to hear from you about all of these things. So please email us gbviews gbnews. Uk. And we us gbviews gbnews. Uk. And we enjoy reading them out and well read as many as we can as we can through the show. But first of all, before all of that, its the latest News Headlines with the latest News Headlines with the ever wonderful tatiana de the ever so wonderful tatiana de. Fell. Thank you very much and good morning. This is the latest from the newsroom. Millions of rail passengers are facing disruption today as strikes by the rmt Union Continue on one of the busiest travel days of the year. Thousands of rmt members at 14 Train Companies are walking out over pay and conditions. Service hours are also disrupted because of a ban on overtime by the aslef union for train drivers. Meanwhile the port of dover says it could take passengers up to 2. 5 hours to pass through border checks during peak hours as schools have broken up for the holidays in harnessed post brexit passport checks by French Border officials have also increased processing times. Travel expert simon calder has been at the port of dover this morning. He cars expected to turn up at a rate of 3018 per minute. At a rate of 3018 per minute. And certainly the rate ive been seeing them here so far this morning that feels about right. This of course, is the ferry port that takes people to across to calais and also to dunkirk. And actually just looking around , its moving pretty slowly. They are saying that they could possibly be have have delays of 2. 5 hours, meaning while hundreds of thousands of people are expected to depart from heathrow and Gatwick Airports over the coming days. Adding to the travel difficulty , 80s, around 200,000 difficulty, 80s, around 200,000 people are expected at Manchester Airport, 71,000 from bristol, with passenger volumes returning to pre pandemic levels this summer and some ports exceeding those volumes. The border force expects to see more than 34 million air arrivals coming through uk passport control over the coming months. Control over the coming months. Families going on european beach holidays are being hit by higher pnces holidays are being hit by higher prices compared with last summer due to inflation. New figures from the post office show the cost of meals drinks and beach items have risen year on year. Pugua items have risen year on year. 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Well bring you more as it happens. Now its back to esther and philip. Back to esther and philip. Well , come back to esther and philip. Well, come back to back to esther and philip. Well , come back to saturday well, come back to saturday morning live with esther and phil. Thanks, tatiana. The time now is 1107. As the fallout continues from this weeks by elections and with the only glimmer of hope for the conservative was at the uxbridge by election, where voters came out to vote against out in force to vote against ulez conservative ministers and mps are asking rishi to drop the partys net zero targets. Well, were joined now by gb news presenter and the deputy chairman of the conservative party , lee anderson. Great to party, lee anderson. Great to see you. Now well come to uxbndge see you. Now well come to uxbridge in a moment, but there was two other disasters that went on, wasnt there . Was selby and there was somerset and frome. So who is responding well for those losses . Do we say . And those losses . Do we say . And those massive defeats , or is it those massive defeats, or is it the candidates cc hq or the Prime Minister . Prime minister . Well, none of those , i would well, none of those, i would say its you. Its fill , its me say its you. Its fill, its me andifs say its you. Its fill, its me and its the parliamentary party. Its our fault that we lost those elections. Now thats lost those elections. Now thats always ends up where mps of the governing of the governing party in this country. We should all hold our hands up and take some responsibility rather than just picking individuals out. Look, we sit there every day. Ive been there nearly four years now. Youtubes been there a little longer. Know , little bit longer. You know, theres certain course that theres a certain course that that on. That were travelling on. Its been not good for the to the to by elections that you mentioned. But the one that we did win was sort of its given us a flicker of hope in that there was, you know , one that know, one thing that was actually campaigned on this this terrible tax , this tax on fresh terrible tax, this tax on fresh air, this this money grab air, this this this money grab from car. Now i think we have to learn lessons from this. Look, we know that by elections, we all know that by elections, especially when youre to we all know that by elections, esp� end ly when youre to we all know that by elections, esp� end of when youre to we all know that by elections, esp� end of a1en youre to we all know that by elections, esp� end of a parliament to we all know that by elections, esp� end of a parliament an to the end of a parliament or an end of the five years, shall we say, going very say, are going to be very difficult incumbent difficult for the incumbent government we were government to win. But we were punished. And the message i got punished. And the message i got on doorsteps in in frome on the doorsteps in in in frome and up in selby was that were a little bit fed up with you at the moment, but we want to vote for you. But please give us a reason to vote for its reason to vote for you now its up to us as a party to show our loyal conservative voters that stopped. Weve stopped at home last week. Weve got to give them a reason to come like come out and, you know, like i say, a little of hope in in say, a little bit of hope in in uxbridge, where we had the ulez campaign. I think look at that. Campaign. I think look at that. Lets learn from it. Lets not be arrogant and realise that our voters out there do want to vote for so its your fault. For us. So its your fault. Just just moving on to uxbndge just just moving on to uxbridge lee, obviously , uxbridge then. Lee, obviously, that was, you know, a huge relief for the Prime Minister and for the conservative party. It seen as basically labour it was seen as basically labour losing it because of ulez rather than a massive vote of confidence in the conservative party. I guess the question confidence in the conservative party. I guess the question is this was , you know, given that this was, you know, given that this was, you know, given that this was, you know, given that this was of motorists in this was sort of motorists in effect about being effect fighting back about being fleeced and taken for a ride by politicians, people could argue, well, hold on a minute, the governments no better. Theyve got these net zero policies which fleecing which are all about fleecing motorists, taking money out of peoples pockets. So is it time for the conservative government to scrap the target that this sort of mad rush to net zero rather than fall into the same trap that labour did in uxbridge . Well, 7 well, i . Well, i think phil, . Well, i think phil , that, you well, i think phil, that, you know, my views on on net zero, ive been quite vocal from day one. You know, nobody disagrees with the notion that weve got to our planet much cleaner to make our planet much cleaner and, and leave this, this planet in a better condition than when we arrived. The thing that we arrived. The one thing that concerns about net zero is concerns me about net zero is the that to be we the fact that we seem to be we seem doing it quicker , seem to be doing it quicker, faster and more than any faster and more costly than any other nation on this country. Other nation on this country. And, you know, i worry about the constituents in ashfield when theyre struggling to pay their gas and electric bills gas bills and electric bills and, you know, struggling to fill at the at the fill the car up at the at the petrol station. So i would say what we need to do is have a rethink because if we dont look at uxbridge and the reasons and the candidate , steve, it was the candidate, steve, it was quite clear, you know , he didnt quite clear, you know, he didnt take any credit for that win. And didnt any credit and he didnt give any credit really it was all really to the party. It was all down to the to the ulez campaign. Labour that. It was it was labour that actually and thank actually lost that. And thank goodness, because , like i say, goodness, because, like i say, its given little its given us given us a little bit of hope. I just hope bit of hope. And i just hope that of us arent too that some of us arent too arrogant to look at that result and just plough and think we can just plough ahead the moment ahead because at the moment i think hes being think khan, hes hes being arrogant. Plough arrogant. Hes going to plough ahead ulez flip ahead with with ulez old flip flop , starmer the slippery flop, starmer the, the slippery starmer. Flop, starmer the, the slippery starmer. Hes sort of flip flopping on this again and changing his mind. Changing his mind. Lee just just very quickly, a government johnny government minister, Johnny Mercer , compared the labour, the mercer, compared the labour, the new labour mp for selby to some someone out of inbetweeners. If is that is that is that the view of the is that a government view. Is that is that a view that you would support. Well you know im i dont think so phil, to be honest. I mean, its probably just a flippant comment is made it probably, you know, maybe a poor choice of words. I think he was choice of words. I think he was having a go young this having a go at our young this this this new mp looks look is democrat elected so hes got every right to be there in parliament same as yourself phil and i would say this just just to finish off, sir, youre looking absolutely beautiful again next time again today. And the next time youre looking husband , youre looking for a husband, esther, could you please raise the a little bit . Because the bar a little bit . Because look you with. Look what you start with. Oh, shell shell. Shell put you shell put you on the panel. Shell put you on selection panel. On the selection panel. Lee. Dont dont worry dont worry. Dont worry about that. Thank you very much that. Thank thank you very much indeed for. Forjoining us this indeed for. For joining us this morning. Well well end it there quickly. I think im actually my dress now. Ive gone all pink with that he a very that there. But he has a very good point. What can i say. Good point. What can i say. Yeah. Now look, were back here now look at top stories of now look at the top stories of the with former the week with former labour Party Adviser lazar Party Adviser Matthew Lazar and diary editor at spectator, diary editor at the spectator, james hill. Diary editor at the spectator, james hill. But you diary editor at the spectator, james hill. But you wanted james hill. But you wanted to come in on that ulez situation with the candidate there who stood the seat for labour . Absolutely. Danny beales, was the danny beales, who was the labour the uxbridge labour candidate in the uxbridge by election by by election and who lost by a few hundred votes , has this has few hundred votes, has this has been, you know, rather than having this morning, been, you know, rather than havi|gone this morning, been, you know, rather than havi|gone nottingham ng, been, you know, rather than havi|gone nottingham ngthis hes gone to nottingham to this gathering of the labour party called forum called the National Policy forum and hes about to speak and hes either about to speak or hes just finished speaking and is going to launch and he is going to launch a blistering attack on sadiq khan saying i believe, is saying and this, i believe, is the that the policy the quote that the ulez policy that ulez policy that sadiq khans ulez policy cut at the knees in the cut us off at the knees in the by election hes going to say this publicly and that ulez is a bad policy. It must be rethought. So the labour on ulez. So the row in labour on ulez is only just beginning. Really is he going to the really is he going to be the labour candidate uxbridge at labour candidate in uxbridge at the next election because he was already beforehand . So think think hes. So i think hes i think hes. But its quite interesting to carry on being interesting. Sadiq be sadiq khan doesnt seem to be listening, sadiq khan doesnt seem to be list he 1g, sadiq khan doesnt seem to be list he said something i he said Something Like, i wont i will wont be u turning, but i will listen, which really listen, which means really nothing. Think keir needs nothing. But i think keir needs to show what stands for to show what he stands for because been hes not had a because hes been hes not had a position on there was either. Theres also quite an interesting thing about about sadiq in that sadiq khans candidacy in that he nodded through he basically was nodded through as candidate. There wasnt as the candidate. There wasnt actually selection actually much of a selection procedure there. Certainly what you ended up with. Well well, you ended up with. Well well, you know, has his you know, sadiq has his strengths, his strengths, but he does have his weaknesses, clearly , he weaknesses, too. And clearly, he maybe that he wasnt maybe the fact that he wasnt put through and weve seen the tories you know, it tories this week, you know, it might be that susans actually had face grilling. And, you had to face a grilling. And, you know, shes had face quite know, shes had to face quite a tough challenging selection tough and challenging selection process. Maybe that means that shell horse. Who knows . Story knows . Story you want james, what story do you want to discuss . To discuss . Mean, one of the well, i mean, one of the stories that caught my eye, youre in youre talking earlier in the news prices, news about the petrol prices, but the about sort but it was the thing about sort of prices of shrinkflation and prices going. And one that going up. And one thing that caught about im caught my eye was about im a football fan like arsenal. Arsenal about the of arsenal about the cost oft shirt, t shirts for football clubs going up. And so clubs going up. And so nottingham has put their Nottingham Forest has put their pnces Nottingham Forest has put their prices the and prices up by the most and the premier league the premier league 26 which the highest single club it highest in every single club it seems from the story in the mirror are going to be putting their prices. Shrinking the theyre not shrinking the size as well size of the shirts as well though they . Hopefully though are they . Hopefully no, no, hopefully for no, no. Hopefully not for me else. On, to else. Ill never get one on, to be but its a be perfectly honest. But its a classic thing with the premier be perfectly honest. But its a classic clubswith the premier be perfectly honest. But its a classic clubs where e premier be perfectly honest. But its a classic clubs where they mier be perfectly honest. But its a classic clubs where they change league clubs where they change the now, the kit every year or two now, and order make some money and in to order make some money off and price is around and now the price is around £80 or so, which i think any £80 or so, which i think for any the quite the parents watching is quite hard the parents watching is quite harstephen and Ellie Stephen and ellie were discussing earlier discussing this earlier on the breakfast about this. Its Breakfast Show about this. Its one of the papers about tins one of the papers say about tins of that theres of baked beans that theres now fewer and sauce fewer beans in it and more sauce in obviously in it which is obviously outrageous. Massive fan outrageous. I was a massive fan of beans. Im of heinz baked beans. Im absolutely by it. Weve absolutely outraged by it. Weve obviously got it also with andrex. Yeah cutting the number of well, i was just amazed that they knew there was ten fewer beansin they knew there was ten fewer beans in a tin of baked beans. I mean, was counting, i mean, who was counting, though . Notice myself. Though . I did notice myself. There. I did notice there was sloppy. I did notice there more of tomatoes sauce. Have you noticed that andrex have papers in have got fewer papers in the toilet roll . About to explain but james is about to explain why he had. Theres a story in the the in the the well, the story in the times, havent been times, which i havent been counting own pieces of andrex. Say about. Theres ill say that about. Theres been customer reported been one customer whos reported that it. And that hes hes measured it. And apparently foot apparently theres five foot less in the new packs, apparently theres five foot lesspacks in the new packs, apparently theres five foot lesspacks that in the new packs, apparently theres five foot lesspacks that yome new packs, apparently theres five foot lesspacks that you canzw packs, apparently theres five foot lesspacks that you can get. Acks, apparently theres five foot lesspacks that you can get. And big packs that you can get. And so accounts i dont so that that accounts i dont know measured ten know how he measured this to ten fewer to the use in the fewer trips to the use in the toilets , which i thought was toilets, which i thought was quite telling. And i think it actually shows basically the costs inflation costs of shrink inflation affecting national affecting every bit of National Life including the people, the life, including the people, the people, the people in somerton and frome, selby and ainsty and in uxbridge and South Ruislip wont have worried about the lack of toilet paper, will they . Theyve had plenty coming through their letterboxes over the few weeks the over the last few weeks from all from parties. All political from all parties. Arent people well, i mean, arent people still that still using the supplies that are many a spare are still in many a Spare Bedroom panic buying of bedroom from the panic buying of loo roll before the pandemic , loo roll before the pandemic, which remains got through that got through matthew got through that . Matthew yeah. So i mean, this is quite a serious story, which is that if you ask anybody what the worst piece of legislation ever passed by parliament is, they always say the dangerous dogs act keir mather and young james wont remember , but there was a sort remember, but there was a sort of big issue with dangerous dogs in the 80s and early 90s. And this this legislation was rushed through. Seems that through. But it seems that dangerous back because dangerous dogs are back because theres breed called theres now a new breed called american bullies , bully xls, in american bullies, bully xls, in fact, are sort of a extra fact, which are sort of a extra large. Extra large, yeah, large. Extra large, yeah, absolutely. A breed of pitbulls, absolutely. A breed of pitbulls, which are causing carnage. A young girl was attacked in a park in liverpool just this week. So, you know, my question is really do we do if, you is really what do we do if, you know weve that know, because weve seen that legislation , how do legislation has failed, how do we problem . Because we solve this problem . Because theres the dog. It is the it isnt the dog. It is the owners. And we know some of the horrendous techniques that theyre doing with dogs to make them hang from trees, to strengthen their jaws so they can do fighting. There are various other horrific because theyre clearly better fighting, arent they . These this is the owners need to be taken owners here who need to be taken to court and sorted out. It to court and sorted out. It isnt really the dog. But if you i mean, im just isnt really the dog. Ito if you i mean, im just isnt really the dog. Ito playyu i mean, im just isnt really the dog. Ito play devilsan, im just isnt really the dog. Ito play devils advocate, ;t just to play devils advocate, if that is if youve got a dog that is literally entire breed which if youve got a dog that is litbredy entire breed which if youve got a dog that is litbred and entire breed which if youve got a dog that is litbred and specificallyi which if youve got a dog that is litbred and specifically for1ich if youve got a dog that is litbred and specifically for dog is bred and specifically for dog fighting , then it does that we fighting, then it does that we have a problem. Have a problem. But who bred them to do that . It wasnt the dogs who decided, oh, lets all get really super nasty. Did nasty. It was humans who did that. Need be to that. They need to be taken to court, challenged, put behind bars it is. Court, challenged, put behind barwhat it is. Court, challenged, put behind barwhat you it is. Court, challenged, put behind barwhat you think, jamie . What do you think, jamie . I think the key thing is also is that this new breed as that this is a new breed as well. I think some the well. And i think some of the guidance the guidance on this from the government bulls. Government is about pit bulls. It 19705. Government is about pit bulls. It 1970s. So it relates to the 1970s. So obviously, youve had it relates to the 1970s. So ob\years, youve had it relates to the 1970s. So ob\years of youve had it relates to the 1970s. So ob\years of different youve had it relates to the 1970s. So ob\years of different typese had 50 years of different types of breeding. Xl breeding. This new strain of xl coming from america as well, i think 70 attacks in think where 70 of attacks in america pit bulls, america are due to pit bulls, american bulls. Think american pit bulls. So i think its that be its something that needs to be looked addressed through legislation. Underground fighting legislation. Un they ound fighting legislation. Untheyound to fighting legislation. Untheyound to be ghting legislation. Untheyound to be raided. Again, they need to be raided. They sorted. They they need to be sorted. They need be know whats going on need to be know whats going on because criminality because its criminality in every dogs, every way, sort of a legal dogs, illegal every way, sort of a legal dogs, illegiwhole , the whole thing. Also think its yeah. But also i think its also just undercover and also not just undercover and underground. Basically underground. Its basically coming maybe coming out and people maybe a bit of the is bit ignorant of what the law is on and the guidance, on this and the guidance, etcetera, dangerous etcetera, and how dangerous these be. So its also these dogs can be. So its also about information, id about sort of information, id say, know say, making sure people know that , what of that the dogs, what the kind of risks are of them. James, were interested in james, you were interested in dame her future at dame allison and her future at natwest bank. I mean, this is yes. Well, i mean, this is boriss latest column. I think the interesting hes the most interesting one hes written taking written so far, taking aim at the of natwest after the the head of natwest after the dreadful row about farage and nigel farage and these Bank Accounts and coots. I mean, look, is a woman whos paid look, this is a woman whos paid 5 million last year in salary. She bonus, i think of she had a bonus, i think of 640,000. And this whole row over coots has right to the top coots has gone right to the top and obviously coots is owned by natwest. Whether she was natwest. And so whether she was alleged have potentially alleged to have been potentially briefing journalist on briefing this bbc journalist on misinformation, basically saying that farages was that Nigel Farages account was closed he didnt meet closed because he didnt meet the financial threshold and actually a case. It now actually it was a case. It now seems looked and seems that the bank looked and they political views they thought his political views were cancel and were a reason to cancel him. And i story thats i think this is a story thats going on and this is going to rumble on and this is going to rumble on and this is going be Gerald Ratner going to be like Gerald Ratner on now on steroids. People are now going to coming out going to look as coming out in the papers today. Just individuals. Its not just individuals. Its businesses being closed that they dont agree with their views in one way or another. This is going to rumble through the sector. This is going to rumble through the we sector. This is going to rumble through the we did sector. This is going to rumble through the we did � twitter poll that we did a twitter poll that said whether dame alison said asking whether dame alison rowe should be sacked and 88 said yes. Whats your view . Well, i think shes hanging by a thread as we speak. I mean, its be taught in its going to be taught in business example its going to be taught in bu how;s example its going to be taught in bu how not example its going to be taught in bu how not to example its going to be taught in buhow not to handle example its going to be taught in buhow not to handle crisis. Le of how not to handle a crisis. Isnt of how not to handle a crisis. Isnis Gerald Ratner going is Gerald Ratner going to be breathing a sigh of relief that hes no going be . Breathing a sigh of relief that hei no going be . Breathing a sigh of relief that hei thinkio going be . Breathing a sigh of relief that hei thinkio think going be . Breathing a sigh of relief that hei thinkio think goingalisons i think i think dame alisons name, whether she stays or goes, will be carved on that will be will be carved on that hall not to hall of infamy of how not to handle crisis. And i think handle a crisis. And i think that a very serious handle a crisis. And i think that here, a very serious handle a crisis. And i think that here, whichy serious handle a crisis. And i think that here, which is erious handle a crisis. And i think that here, which is eriouthose point here, which is that those on left dont mean the on the left and i dont mean the labour sort of labour party, i mean the sort of liberal tweeting liberal left tweeting away who have been glee at nigels have been taking glee at nigels woes. I have been taking glee at nigels woes. I dont you have been taking glee at nigels woes. I dont you know, the woes. I dont you know, the blacklist generally and historically have affected the left a lot more than the right. And, you know, we remember people hollywood in the people from hollywood in the 50s, know, through 50s, you know, through to Building Sites in 70s, you Building Sites in the 70s, you know , you cannot have people know, you cannot have people being because of their being cancelled because of their politics, professionally politics, either professionally or with banking services. So we need. Need the left. I had something that happened to way. Was to me the other way. I was minister for minister of state for employment. Was the mp for on employment. I was the mp for on merseyside. I lost my seat. So i merseyside. I lost my seat. So i thought, well, ill go set thought, well, ill go and set up business ill up my own business and ill start a new banking account. I went to set up a new bank account, having been minister for employment needed get for employment needed to get a job, i was not given one because they classed me as politically exposed and i could not take it through. And i remember taking it to the house at the time and they did have a select committee on all things are on it. But all things are disgraced, its disgraced, so im glad its being looked at. Disgraced, so im glad its beiiand looked at. Disgraced, so im glad its beiiand think looked at. Disgraced, so im glad its beiiand think ministers. And i think ministers actually, fairness to them, actually, in fairness to them, have in have done really well in responding and responding to this. And theyve introduced new guidelines and advice you advice to banks saying that you need notice if need at least 90 days notice if youre to close someones youre going to close someones accounts. And i suspect itll be an thats considered an issue thats considered before select committees in the coming matthew as ever, thank james. Matthew as ever, thank you very much indeed joining you very much indeed for joining us up in a us this morning. Coming up in a few muslim few moments after a young muslim woman a drunken brawl woman got into a drunken brawl but let being given but was let off being given a sobriety tag because it would interfere faith. Were interfere with her faith. Were asking , shouldnt everyone be asking, shouldnt everyone be equal under the law . You wont want to that debate. Want to miss that debate. A brighter outlook with boxt solar. Proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. On. Gb news. Hello, my name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest news. Weather forecast brought to you by the met office. So its been quite a gloomy start to the day for many with plenty of rain around. And this is all of rain around. 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A brighter outlook with boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Tv, radio and online gb news. Britains news channel. Will britains news channel. Will welcome back to saturday morning live with esther and phil. Its 1126 now. 20 year old muslim woman has been let off wearing her electronic tag for religious reasons. The order was imposed after hasina hossain hit a manager in a drunken brawl at a bowling alley. Her lawyer claims the young womans faith has grown stronger since the incident and so wasnt given a tag as it would have interfered with faith. Interfered with her faith. So joining to discuss this joining us now to discuss this is political commentator bushra sheikh. So this sounds awful in a way. Heres this lady drunken ball girl. You know what . She screamed at the police , what she screamed at the police, what she did. And yet she said as well, i dont cant wear a tag because of my religious faith. I dont want to go for evening prayer with a tag on. But everybody should be the same before the law. Absolutely and this isnt something you know, i firstly want to just say that any type of violence is not is acceptable at all. But in is not acceptable at all. But in this instance, you know, we are going to have religious and cultural judge cultural reasons for a judge will take into consideration, you know, thats just not one component of it. It was also the fact that she didnt have any previous incidences or anything like happened her life like this happened in her life before. Was out of before. So it was out of character. You know, as far as im concerned, what judge im concerned, what the judge did at is she better . Did is to look at is she better . Is saying the faith is is she saying that the faith is going because she also is she saying that the faith is goirleft because she also is she saying that the faith is goirleft alcoholecause she also is she saying that the faith is goirleft alcohol. Cause she also is she saying that the faith is goirleft alcohol. Shee she also is she saying that the faith is goirleft alcohol. She said; also is she saying that the faith is goirleft alcohol. She said that is she saying that the faith is goirfaithalcohol. She said that is she saying that the faith is goirfaith encourageda said that is she saying that the faith is goirfaith encourageda saito that her faith encouraged her to leave alcohol and it would be important should she have important should she ever have had the first place had alcohol in the first place if following her faith. If she was following her faith. Well, yes , but were not well, i mean, yes, but were not perfect, people dont perfect, are we . So people dont do things 100 of time. But do things 100 of the time. But what judge did think is he what the judge did think is he thought, well, actually, if this goes to hinder goes if this is going to hinder her, her rehabilitation, perhaps this is something that i should look over instead. But the thing is, i guess lots of people say, well, hold on a minute. The allow these should the law allow these kind people to kind of loopholes for people to say, know that if say, say, well, i know that if i say, oh, now, know, devoutly oh, im now, you know, devoutly muslim had a bit of a muslim again, i had a bit of a wobble, but im now back on track. And is to going track. And this is to going interfere with my faith. I know im going getting a tag im going to avoid getting a tag and solicitor can tell and a solicitor can tell somebody that builds up a somebody that that builds up a resentment amongst the rest of the population that probably otherwise exist, should otherwise wouldnt exist, should the law allow those anomalies . The law allow those anomalies . Yes, i think so. I think theres always a link to committing a crime or doing something wrong and then having this kind of spiritual awakening. I think people do have that because realise they did because they realise they did something its something wrong. I think its really to also really important to also establish understand is are establish and understand is are these if these re offenders because if they were to say, use it the first and then subsequently first time and then subsequently use again, then you use it again and again, then you could was a pattern. But could see it was a pattern. But in this instance, with i in this instance, with her, i think believe name is think i believe her name is hasina it was something hasina hussain, it was something that shed never done before. She was struggling she said that she was struggling with we that with alcohol and we know that alcohol problem in this alcohol is a big problem in this country, i think we should country, but i think we should also innit . Also be compassion, innit . And look wider lens look at people from a wider lens rather than kind of rather than to kind of categorise them and say just because its from a religious angle we shouldnt allow angle that we shouldnt allow those allowances. But i guess people might say, well, look, hold on. Ethnic minorities quite rightly have been over the years been campaigning over the years that, know, we should we that, you know, we should be we should have equality in this country. Should country. Everyone should be treated shouldnt country. Everyone should be tre discriminated shouldnt country. Everyone should be tre discriminated shoiaiid t be discriminated against. And then kind of case then we get this kind of case and people well, hold on and people say, well, hold on a minute. Here that what minute. It seems here that what people like this young lady want is equality. When it suits. But when it doesnt suit them to have equality, they want they want favourable treatment and is that not is there not something wrong with that . Oh, no, i dont think so. I think whether, you know, whatever faith you come from , if whatever faith you come from, if having a tag, one of those tags on your leg is going to hinder your protest of being better, i think a judge will take that into account. What we into account. You know, what we also understand that also have to understand is that we fairjudicial we have a very fair judicial system country. If system in this country. So if a judge really didnt think that that for her not to that was a reason for her not to wear wouldnt have let wear it, he wouldnt have let her. So i think its important that if youre christian that even if youre a christian or youre or any or if youre or jewish or any faith, this an issue and faith, if this is an issue and its to hinder then its going to hinder that, then i should taken i think that should be taken into even its right into account, even if its right or wrong. Accept w do you accept it builds up a resentment amongst rest of resentment amongst the rest of the which then the population in which then does wider problems in the does cause wider problems in the long run . I think people are always to going have an opinion. I think theyre to people theyre going to be people who will okay will say, actually, this is okay for that if for her. We understand that if she no, she she of re offender no, she isnt. Theres going be isnt. And theres going to be some are going to be against. And i think bushra brought up a before, know. A good point before, you know. Yes reported way yes it was reported that way that weight was that maybe greater weight was given i given to the fact she said i couldnt tag to , you couldnt wear a tag to, you know, sort of know, my religious sort of services , maybe it was more services, but maybe it was more about the fact that shed never done before , hadnt then done this before, hadnt then done this before, hadnt then done afterwards. So i think, done it afterwards. So i think, yes, would if it were on, she yes, it would if it were on, she shouldnt have a tag just because of her faith. It would build up greater resentment. Absolutely. If it were absolutely. But if it were on other things , then that would , i other things, then that would, i think. And also fairer. You know, just to add, because other people would have that taken into consideration. That taken into consideration. Of course, theres many of course, theres so many different when it comes different elements when it comes to deciding, dont to a judge deciding, dont forget believe, forget that she also, i believe, had a 15 day rehabilitation course that she had to do. She paid £500 fine and, you know, paid a £500 fine and, you know, things like that. She also served a sentence which wasnt obviously in prison, had a obviously in prison, but had a sentence she had this sentence as well. She had this on criminal record. Its on her criminal record. So its lots never lots of things. And shes never been before. Been an offender before. Thank you very much bushra, thank you very much indeed interesting indeed for that interesting debate. Think. Debate. Tell us what you think. Do was perfectly do you think it was perfectly reasonable for the judge make reasonable for the judge to make that of decision and use that kind of decision and use his , or does it make his discretion, or does it make your blood boil to think that people treated people are being treated differently . Hear differently . Wed love to hear what views gbnews. Com. Still to come in a few moments, we should be so lucky as Pete Waterman tells us about his new musical full of Kylie Minogue and stock. Aitken and waterman 80s hits you wont want to miss that. But first, heres the News Headlines with tatiana i esther thank you very much and good morning. This is the latest from the newsroom. Millions of rail passengers are facing disruption today as strikes by the rmt Union Continue on one of the busiest travel days of the year. Thousands of its members at 14 Train Companies are walking out over pay and conditions. Survey is also disrupted because of a ban on overtime by aslef train drivers. 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Gb news radio. Welcome back to saturday morning live with esther and phil , whether youre watching us phil, whether youre watching us on the telly or youre listening to on radio, kylie to us on the radio, Kylie Minogue is to step back in time for a musical featuring the for a new musical featuring the songs of songwriters. Mike songs of hit songwriters. Mike stock , matt aitken and pete stock, matt aitken and Pete Waterman , and the songs that waterman, and the songs that shot them to the top of the charts in the 1980s. What delighted that Pete Waterman joins us now to tell us more. Pete, thanks ever so much more. Pete, thanks ever so much for your time. Great idea this musical, how did it come about it . Well , we it . Well, we did a channel five documentary about stock aitken waterman. The response was fantastic. And although weve been asked many to a musical, and although weve been asked many to a musical , this many times to do a musical, this seemed the right to do it. Seemed the right time to do it. Very exciting. And its very exciting. And its very exciting. It absolutely is. Now, look, you you should or i should or anybody should be so lucky. I love that story of how the song came about. Its an absolute cracker. Youre going to have to tell us. Well, kylie turned up. Well, kylie turned up. Well, kylie turned up. You know, wed agreed to make a record with her, but i was in manchester doing a hit man and her, and suddenly mike rang me and said, theres a small amphibian in the reception expecting to be produced by us. And i said to mike, well, you know, youll have to tell her to come back in a couple of weeks. He cant. Shes he said she cant. Shes on her way australia. So we way back to australia. So we literally i should be so literally wrote, i should be so lucky and i guess the rest is history. We certainly didnt know how she was to going be. Well, i want to know, they said at the time when what i heard is when she called up and said she was waiting for a song , something well, you said Something Like, well, shell. Shell be so lucky. And went, yeah, and somebody went, yeah, thats and you and somebody went, yeah, thatsand and you and somebody went, yeah, thatsand startedind you and somebody went, yeah, thatsand started writingyou and somebody went, yeah, thatsand started writing it. | went and started writing it. Yeah. Well we had a we had a guy that worked for us called pitstop, who was our disco promotion guy. And his favourite saying was , should so lucky. , oh, they should be so lucky. And thats where it from, and thats where it came from, you just said, oh well, you know, i just said, oh well, she should be so lucky. They she should be so lucky. And they went, you lets on went, there you go, lets get on with why were stock aitken pete why were stock aitken and waterman so successful in the the that sort of period the in the that sort of period from the mid 1980s onwards . How was it that you managed to churn out so many hit records in such a short space of time . Well you know, we got lucky. Know, we got lucky. But you know, they always say if its hard, work brings good luck. And it did. I mean, we worked so hard. I mean, we were working five days a week, you know, ten hours a day. And it just kept rolling. And we didnt read papers. That the read the papers. That was the thing. Anybody who read the papers. That was the thin giving anybody who read the papers. That was the thin giving grief. Ybody who read the papers. That was the thin giving grief. Itody who read the papers. That was the thin giving grief. It you who was giving us any grief. It you know, as long as people bought the record, we just carried on. Pete, did you make these people stars at the end of the day, like you said, nobody knew kylie. Really . Yes, they might have known her as a neighbour. And i guess shes famous. But in the musical world, you made her a star. And we put out a tweet here to say that you were joining us on the show today. Who favourite artist . Who was your favourite artist . So Kylie Minogue so there was Kylie Minogue there. Bananarama mel and kim, rick astley. And could you give rick astley. And could you give an order which you think theyd theyd be popular with the public . Well at the moment youd have to pick rick astley, wouldnt you . I mean, he, you know, he stormed it at you know, recently at glastonbury and kylie did that last year. Kylie is going on to vegas. Kylie is in this musical. Yeah. I mean , you know, musical. Yeah. I mean, you know, go back 30 years. Esther. Nobody believed this could happen. I mean, they all thought we were. This was a five minute and this was a five minute thing and it all over. This was a five minute thing and it all over. But here it would all be over. But here we 30 years later, and were we are 30 years later, and were still talking about them. We are 30 years later, and were stilwell, ng about them. We are 30 years later, and were stilwell, putibout them. We are 30 years later, and were stilwell, put it ut them. We are 30 years later, and were stilwell, put it thishem. We are 30 years later, and were stilwell, put it this way. The well, put it this way. The top was Kylie Minogue with top one was Kylie Minogue with 41. Right behind her, though , 41. Right behind her, though, was rick astley with 36. Then came bananarama, 18. Mel and kim came bananarama,18. Mel and kim with five. But youre a banana. Im a banana. Im a fan. I cant believe theyve polled so badly in that, to be honest with what what was your favourite star aitken and waterman song or artist . What was your particular favourite . I love in the first favourite . I love in the first degree by bananarama, because i was like you. I was a bananarama fan and to me i couldnt believe we were working with them. They gave us our first number one in america with venus. They were brilliant to work with because us, they really challenged us because theyd already been successful. Theyd already been successful. And, you know, i was listening to radio 1 1 day and my hero, berry gordy, was on the show and they were on about motown. And he said, listen, you got your own motown here, you know, stock. Just produced. Aitken waterman just produced the record that id the best motown record that id never that was never made, and that was bananaramas love in the first degree. Bananaramas love in the first degthere go. You see, ive there you go. You see, ive got got expert got obviously got an expert i and an expert opinion. Thank you for that, pete. Ive got a lot of kudos there. So when does this musical start where is this musical start and where is it be . When people this musical start and where is it to be . When people this musical start and where is it to see . When people this musical start and where is it to see itwhen people this musical start and where is it to see it . Hen people expect to see it . It starts in november in manchester and it goes all the way around the for 27 way around the country for 27 weeks. Its a lot of fun. Weeks. So its a lot of fun. Its hard work because obviously, you know, were record producers and writer. We wrote for an now wrote them for an artist. Now youve cast and its got youve got a cast and its got obviously its theatre, so its live with band. Its very live with a band. Its very different, very challenging for us because our songs we know and people know them so well. So people know them so well. So its getting that balance right between a Live Performance and the that people all know. The songs that people all know. But kylie will be at every one. Shes going to be digitally enhanced. Not that she needs any enhancing, but shes going to be there at every performance. There at every performance. Yeah , well, you know, we yeah, well, you know, we couldnt quite go to the abba one where i think they spent 150 million. I think we spent £150. I think we spent £150. I think we spent £150. Peter, we will be there in manchester singing all those songs. And obviously my i loved rick astley. Never going to give you up. Loved it. So thank you very much indeed forjoining us today. Very much indeed forjoining us today. Now, after the hugely today. Now, after the hugely impressive win in somerton and frome , its is it the start of a frome, its is it the start of a lib dem revival . Well, joining us now is sir vince cable, former leader of the lib dems. Vince thank you for joining us. No doubt you forjoining us. No doubt you will be a hoop. Forjoining us. No doubt you will be a hoop. I forjoining us. No doubt you will be a hoop. I guess that will be a hoop. I guess that people might say , well, look, people might say, well, look, you know, weve seen all of this before. Now lib dems massive before. Now the lib dems massive swings in by elections, christchurch. I think was 35 back in the day, and yet it went back in the day, and yet it went back to the conservatives at the subsequent general election. Is there reason you think that there any reason you think that it might be different this time round . Round . Well, its part of a process of rebuilding since 2015. I mean, i was leader for a couple of years, as you remember , and i think its a combination of, you know, good by Election Results, local government advance. Yes. I think we dont advance. Yes. I think we dont expect a spectacular breakthrough. But the fact is weve had , you know, very solid weve had, you know, very solid Guerrilla Army base who survived the bad years and who were helping us to rebuild good leadership , organised focus. Leadership, organised focus. What will happen after this by election i think, is that were considerably strengthened in the west country. We in in the west country. We in combination with council results in somerset , devon, cornwall, an in somerset, devon, cornwall, an area where weve weve done badly since 2015. Were now recovering and were poised to take Parliament Three seats as well as those in the home counties. So yeah, i mean, its, you know, were not going to win 300 seats at the next general election, but there will be a significant advance from where we are. We are. Just the thing that struck me about these by elections was that the lib dems lost their deposits, i think in selby and in uxbridge labour, i think lost their deposit in somerton and frome. If even if there isnt a formal sort of agreement going on between labour and the lib dems, is there anything informal going on which is sort of designed to help each other out in these elections against the conservatives . Conservatives . Well, theres no sort of grand conspiracy to gang up on the conservatives , but you know, the conservatives, but you know, the conservatives, but you know, the simple fact is that government is pretty unpopular and the electorate are smart enough to work out whos most likely to win in a particular seat. Likely to win in a particular seat. And i mean, the way the seat. And i mean, the way the party signal this is by concentrating their resources where they know they can win. Where they know they can win. And it was obviously the labour party were never going to make any headway somerton and any headway in somerton and frome. And we did so tactical frome. So and we did so tactical voting is, is a is a fact of life. You know, some people dont like the principle of it, but until we change the voting system, thats the way that people are going to best use their vote. So theres no concerted ganging up. Theres no planning of this at a leadership level. Itsjust planning of this at a leadership level. Its just happening through the grass roots. Through the grass roots. And i guess one of the things that might scupper a lib dem revival in the in the south west come a general election could be the lib dem stance on the eu issue, given that the south west sort of voted overwhelmingly for brexit. What is the lib dems current policy on the eu is . Is current policy on the eu is . Is it to rejoin . Is it to rejoin it to rejoin . Is it to rejoin some elements of it, it to rejoin . Is it to rejoin some elements of it , to bring some elements of it, to bring back Free Movement of people or the Single Market or whatever . The Single Market or whatever . Do they have policy along do they have a policy along those lines . And if so, might that be a disadvantage in the south west when a general election comes . Election comes . It doesnt seem so. Weve it doesnt seem so. Weve made strong recovery grounds over the last couple of years, and i think people are well aware of that. We are the if you like, the pro europe party. We campaigned to stay in the European Union. Nobody will forget that. But in practise terms, i mean, no, theres no prospect of rejoining the European Union in the near future. I think the party has put out a very thoughtful paper which suggests how we could get back to, for example, joining a version of the Single Market over a quite a long period of time and in stages. So yeah, we do want to rebuild our connections with europe. The brexit has done a lot of damage and there are practical, immediate things. You know, the horizon project that were now losing out on the Customs Union tariff imposition, which is acting as a block to the development of electric vehicles, you know, good , good vehicles, you know, good, good decision last week to have a new battery plant. But we need to battery plant. But we need to that. Can i ask you this question quickly . It was just that we did quickly . It was just that we did a poll and it said would the conservatives win the next general election if they scrap their net zero target and actually 61 has said yes , they actually 61 has said yes, they would, 39 said no, they wouldnt. If the lib would, 39 said no, they wouldnt. If the lib dems thought they could win the next election , would they scrap the. Election, would they scrap the. Net zero target . Net zero target . No, absolutely not. I mean , no, absolutely not. I mean, its, you know, Climate Policy net zero is absolutely central to the partys commitments. But weve got to find a way of doing it that relates to the interests of ordinary people. I mean, a classic example is, you know, getting rid of these ridiculous restrictions on onshore wind. Onshore wind is a very cheap source of power. It will help push down the cost of electricity. And its been blocked by relatively small minorities. So you know, we would want to open that up. As would want to open that up. As you remember , i was secretary of you remember, i was secretary of state for business. I was very keen on the industrial strategy. So you link in green policies with industry , you know, getting with industry, you know, getting britain back into building. Thank you very much indeed for joining us this morning. And forjoining us this morning. And congratulations on that by election result. Now joining us now for the latest news from the worlds of sport and showbiz are the wonderful aidan magee and the even more wonderful Hayley Palmer. Thank you joining palmer. Thank you for joining us. Ive been upgraded. I was not so wonderful. No, i know, i know. Know. No, i know, i know. I know. But it was being but i felt. I felt it was being harsh. Lets start harsh. Yeah. So lets start with the cricket. England going the cricket. Are england going to the rain going to win or is the rain going to winlisten, ive got very listen, ive got very reliable weather app. Theyre telling me theres a 90 chance of rain in manchester. Thats been weve not been borne out so far. Weve not had play. We were due to had any play. We were due to start some start at 11 00. Theres some possibility of some play by 4 pm. Other than that, its p. M. Other than that, its probably going to be decided by the Duckworth Lewis method. Thats to do with thats nothing to do with pigeons, way. Thats pigeons, by the way. Thats to do to with batting do with to do with the batting average. On the average. And its based on the average. And its based on the average think a team might average they think a team might get they average it out get and then they average it out over of match. Over the course of the match. And then and that decides the test. Then we need they dont they dont decide that way. Decide test matches that way. Think its the weather i think its the weather intervened. Thought it was intervened. I thought it was just draw. No. Intervened. I thought it was justwellaw. No. Intervened. I thought it was justwell well no. Intervened. I thought it was justwell well actually a draw is well well actually a draw is a all australia a draw is all. All australia need anyway, that prove need anyway, that will prove decisive get decisive because if they get a draw trafford, be draw from old trafford, itll be a because england draw from old trafford, itll be a amassed because england draw from old trafford, itll be a amassed because e592. � |d have amassed a total of 592. Weve some brilliant knocks weve seen some brilliant knocks by harry brooks, by by harry brooks, 61 by ben stokes, 51 brilliant series hes had and jonny bairstow, who were here two were talking about here two weeks away from his weeks ago, walking away from his stump, he dropped loads of catches field well. He catches in the field as well. He comes back and he hits 99 and produced backstop produced a brilliant backstop catch the other day. So produced a brilliant backstop cathhes the other day. So produced a brilliant backstop cathhes hesthe other day. So produced a brilliant backstop cathhes hes been her day. So produced a brilliant backstop cathhes hes been aer day. So produced a brilliant backstop cathhes hes been a story. So produced a brilliant backstop cathhes hes been a story ofo hes hes hes been a story of redemption for him. But sadly i do think the rain going do i do think the rain is going to a big influence to have a big a big influence over today tomorrow. Over over today and tomorrow. So shocking, shocking manchester, for it to manchester, isnt it, for it to be raised. I there one time. Many i was there one time. Many years. It was exactly like that. Hayley to hayley were going to turn to showbiz. Showbiz now. Mick yes he is yes. Mick jagger. Yes he is having a birthday party. Dont know where my invite is yet. I havent got it. But yeah, hes going to know who yeah. All who you are first. Yeah. All right. Quite good you, aiden. Anyway, back to me. Hes having it at chelsea. There are two meanies there laughing away. I bet youll find laughing away. I bet youll find laughing in the post when you get home. Its actually at the top of my road. Its at chelsea psychic garden. You just just garden. You just go. I just knock on the youre not the door. Anyway, youre not going away. You away. You away. You away. You just my hair again. You just cut my hair again. Gatecrashing exactly. So, yeah, hes hiring out the chelsea psychic and i just want to know what the guest list is to know what the guest list is to going be like. Its got to be totally a list, it . But totally a list, hasnt it . But i think hes 80 think its brilliant. Hes 80 years having a big years old. Hes having a big birthday bash, and think that birthday bash, and i think that is forward is this is awful. I when you said he was 80, i thought its already 80, isnt he now lying about his age . Well, he says how old i was years back. No, he isnt. Youre right. He was 79 now. Right. He was 79 years now. I covered story about his 60th shows. T n how old i am. How old i am. Oh, certainly. Theres quite a arent there . Oh, certainly. Theres quite a now, rent there . Oh, certainly. Theres quite a now, thats1ere . Oh, certainly. Theres quite a now, thats sort oh, certainly. Theres quite a now, thats sort of its my now, thats sort of its my dads earlier dads 80th birthday was earlier this my sisters 60th. This year and my sisters 60th. Theyre birthday year. Theyre having a birthday year. Yeah, thats good idea. Im yeah, thats a good idea. Im having month having a birthday month at the moment should do moment and i think you should do everything that you everything that just makes you happy birthday month. Happy in your birthday month. Think hed want some do you think hed want some tickets the lionesses . Tickets for the lionesses . Possibly , although theyre possibly, although theyre winning thats winning at the moment, so thats good. Winning at the moment, so thats good. Theyre playing against good. Theyre playing against haiti. Theyre leading by georgia 29 georgia stanway penalty after 29 minutes. I do worry about england term, though. Its england long term, though. Its a to australia. A huge trip to australia. Its difficult sporting difficult for any sporting Organiser Team to acclimatise organiser or team to acclimatise to a different time zone. Historically england have struggled that, you struggled with that, but if you compare side they put compare the side they they put out won won compare the side they they put out euros, won won compare the side they they put out euros, youve won won compare the side they they put out euros, youve got won won compare the side they they put out euros, youve got fran won compare the side they they put out euros, youve got fran kirbyon the euros, youve got fran kirby out a knee injury. Leah out with a knee injury. Leah williamson of chelsea out with a knee beth mead out with knee injury. Beth mead out with a injury. White a knee injury. Ellen white has retired. 2003 retired. It reminds me of 2003 world cup in some ways with the rugby. When were world cup in some ways with the rugwith when were world cup in some ways with the rugwith a when were world cup in some ways with the rugwith a retirements were world cup in some ways with the rugwith a retirements andere hit with a few retirements and injuries . The injuries . They werent quite the same little while same team for a little while after as champions after that. But as champions they down or theyve they will go down or theyve arrived complex. Do, inferiority complex. I do, though, that australia, though, think that australia, who ended englands 30 match unbeaten run and theyre the host think they could unbeaten run and theyre the host and think they could unbeaten run and theyre the host and do think they could go on and do it. Just in shock hayley im just in shock that hayley said. Things said. I want to do things i really like on my birthday month. Yet she sat on the month. And yet she sat on the sofa next to this is train. Its sofa next to this is train. Its my birthday next saturday. Yeah , yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Caroline age yeah. Caroline age yeah. Caroline age yeah. Bailey now talking of footballers but not female male ones. Peter crouch whats the madonna . Peter crouch story . I madonna . Peter crouch story . I love this because basically he was in a restaurant and madonnas security guards came up to him and they were like, can we have a photo . So peter crouch was doing all these photographs. And then he said, can have a photo said, well, can i have a photo with and were with madonna . And they were like, no, cant that. Like, oh, no, you cant do that. Well recently. Shes not been well recently. Shes not been well recently. Before that. Was a it was before that. It was a while okay. Thing is, while back. Okay. The thing is, if a restaurant, if you are in a restaurant, sometimes your sometimes you do just want your privacy. Madonna. Like privacy. And it is madonna. Like this like, you know, we can this is like, you know, we can make rules make different rules for madonna, we . Madonna, cant we . Other i had it the other day. I had it the other day. Maybe didnt have it maybe if you didnt have all your makeup on and you werent and shed werent feeling right and shed had weird had all of that weird stuff going her face, might going on in her face, she might just not the just said, this is not the photo. Instant i want. Exactly. And if its going with and if its going out with peter crouch, its going go peter crouch, its going to go everywhere, isnt it . You deal with so how do you deal with everyone autograph . Everyone wanting your autograph . All i did, yeah. Lots of one pen i did, yeah. Lots of one pen i was in. I was in burger king. Yeah. Yeah. And i told him was yeah. Yeah. And i told him i was famous. Whopper. Famous. That was a whopper. I got confused , actually. I got confused, actually. I got confused, actually. Thats what thats for him. Thats what thats for him. Thats. Thats. Hes be really funny today. Hes be really funny today. But quickly, the golf very you know golf open. You know golf open. Yeah, thats right. Yeah, thats right. So seconds to tell us about this. Yeah. Brian harwood harman is in front challenger. Front his closest challenger. This interesting. Tommy this is interesting. Tommy fleetwood. Southport fleetwood. Hes from southport just the road from hoylake. Just down the road from hoylake. My just down the road from hoylake. My in hoylake this my family were in hoylake this weekend the golf, weekend watching the golf, having a fantastic time up in liverpool maybe we liverpool and maybe maybe we might surprise. Tommy might see a surprise. Tommy fleetwood doing it tomorrow. But it doesnt end it goes out and it doesnt end until tomorrow evening, of course. F f thank you very much, aiden. I obviously the obviously used to live up the road west kirby. Road as well in west kirby. Thank hayley thats road as well in west kirby. Theweve hayley thats road as well in west kirby. Theweve got ayley thats road as well in west kirby. Theweve got time thats road as well in west kirby. Theweve got time for. Thats road as well in west kirby. Theweve got time for. We ats road as well in west kirby. Theweve got time for. We will all weve got time for. We will be back next week at the same time. Coming up next is the wonderful Martin Daubney that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. Proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Hello. My name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news Weather Forecast brought to you by the met office. So its been quite a gloomy start to the day for many with plenty of rain around and this is all due to this area of low pressure thats going to move eastwards through this weekend, bringing some stronger winds well some stronger winds as well across southern parts of the uk as isobars packed together. Now, looking at this afternoon across parts scotland and northern parts of scotland and Northern Ireland, fine afternoon with ireland, a fine afternoon with some sunny spells and the odd spot of rain. But elsewhere, gloomy and cloudy with plenty of rain around and some heavier bursts for Western Hills and the temperatures reflecting that with highs only into the teens , with highs only into the teens, maybe just scraping 20 degrees in the southeast right now as we go through this evening. That go through this evening. That rain is going to continue to move its eastwards. Move its way eastwards. So plenty of rain around across much of england and wales and into Northern Ireland and remaining drier across scotland with some clear spells. And in those north easterly winds feeling tonight there too. Feeling cool tonight there too. But elsewhere with stronger winds, especially for Southern Coasts and plenty of cloud around those temperatures remaining in the teens. Now, as we go to sunday, we have this band of rain thats going to sit across northern maybe across northern england, maybe pushing of pushing into northern parts of wales as well. So you are out wales as well. So if you are out and about in these areas throughout sunday, do bear this in there be some in mind as there could be some difficult conditions difficult driving conditions either side of this, though, some brighter spells, still some brighter spells, but still a scattered showers and a few scattered showers and feeling pleasant in the feeling more pleasant in the sunshine southern parts feeling more pleasant in the su england southern parts feeling more pleasant in the su england. Southern parts of england. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. Proud sponsors of weather on