Jeremy corbyn is plotting to run for mayor london. And ill be for mayor of london. And ill be heanng for mayor of london. And ill be hearing from the liberal democrats whip wendy democrats chief whip Wendy Chamberlain from their conference in bournemouth and the outspoken tory backbencher Daniel Kawczynski joins me in the studio to dissect another busy week in politics. What does he the plans to cut he make of the plans to cut inheritance tax now before we get through all that, lets go through front pages. Lets through the front pages. Lets start. One story thats start. Theres one story thats dominating papers dominating the papers this morning. Imagine, hs2 morning. As you can imagine, hs2 sunday telegraph goes with axe looms over hs2, over 8 billion cost shock. The bill has gone up by another 8 billion. Can you believe it . The sunday times goes with sunak revives plan to slash inheritance tax. This has slash inheritance tax. This has been waiting in the wings, hasnt it . Been waiting in the wings, hasnt it . And it seems to be a kind of pseudo confirmation that thats the direction of travel for the Prime Minister. Clearly with a key eye on the next general election, when the observer with sunak pushes observer goes with sunak pushes to hs2 ahead of tory to axe hs2 link ahead of tory conference. Im going to be discussing just minute discussing that in just a minute because theyre the link because theyre axing the link to manchester and the conference is manchester where the mail is in manchester where the mail on goes with rishi will on sunday goes with rishi will not triple lock pensions on sunday goes with rishi will not theresle lock pensions on sunday goes with rishi will not theresle iinteresting sions and theres an interesting commentary suggesting commentary inside suggesting that axe it, it would that if he did axe it, it would be political suicide. The sunday express takes fight to express pm takes fight to starmer and then the sun on sunday goes with strictly haunted, a story about potentially the strictly studio that my colleague Angela Rippon is currently dancing in being haunted by ghosts. Would you believe . And then the sunday mirrors got an interview with bofis mirrors got an interview with Boris Johnson and Carrie Johnsons former nanny saying, carrie sacked me for boozing with boris. Quite an interesting story about how she was sacked after she had a glass of rose with the former Prime Minister now lets bring in david mannix maddox, the expresss online political editor, former colleague , admin at express colleague, admin at express towers. David lovely to see you this morning. Lets go with your sunday express front page because it kind of sums it all up. Idea that felt that up. This idea that i felt that when sunak performed this when rishi sunak performed this climate last week, climate climbdown last week, he was sound ding. The gun on the next general election is that your where are your feeling . Where are we going . You think . Going . Do you think . I that that was that i think that that was that was everything that it was about actually , im not sure it was actually, im not sure it was a climbdown on his part. I think he was always a bit more sceptical than people gave him credit for. It was very much a bofis credit for. It was very much a Boris Johnson policy. Credit for. It was very much a Boris Johnson policy. See, yes, Boris Johnson policy. See, yes, he was climbing down influence maybe by his wife and their friend lord goldsmith, when he did that, some of the did that, i saw some of the conservative whatsapp groups. The was may election. Were the chat was may election. Were in this time, i think the sun on sunday something. Well, i thought it was going to be autumn. What is the argument in favour of a may election then . David so by doing the net zero thing he did, hes picking the fight for the election. You maximise that in the next six months, essentially. But the six months, essentially. But the problem he has with waiting to the autumn is that you have a small boats will start coming overin small boats will start coming over in large numbers again. He over in large numbers again. He will lose a lot of accredit. Hes had on the net zero side. The of course weve now got the inheritance tax. Yeah. Do you think theyll do this then. So the sunday times saying that theyve revived this idea doesnt actually affect that many people and labour could as policy to could attacked it as a policy to make rich more money. Make the rich more money. About the this is about getting the conservative base back. You look at breakdowns of opinion at the breakdowns of opinion polls, its conservative supporters whove left the party who are not voting, who are sitting on their hands. This is a red meat for them to say, come back to us, come and vote for us again. And then, of course, theres also been talk about this situation with regard to hsz. Hs2. Lets move on to that now. I mean, all of the signs are pointing to at least part of this project not going ahead in the north, which is problem from a political perspective, because they talk about levelling up. Hes going to manchester for the Tory Party Conference next weekend. This show will be weekend. So this show will be there. By were going there. By the way, were going to reporting live from to be reporting live from manchester. And yet at the same time, northern will be time, northern voters will be wondering earth they want wondering why on earth they want to that seems to to support a party that seems to have them, them adrift have left them, cast them adrift from a rail perspective. Well, i mean, the real scandal, i think, came a couple of years back when they cancelled Northern Powerhouse rail which much more rail, which was much more necessary. I mean, whats the necessary. I mean, whats the point hs2 . No, its not going point of hs2 . No, its not going to euston. Its not going to manchester. Remember manchester. I remember the days when were about it when we were talking about it going edinburgh in glasgow, going to edinburgh in glasgow, you know. Yes, this is its apparently, the apparently, according to the mail, slower now to mail, going to be slower now to manchester. Fascinating graphic in this fascinating graphic in the talking about how the mail talking about how because its not coming into because now its not coming into euston, but ending at old euston, but its ending at Old Oak Common, which is near acton in west london, because have in west london, because you have to acton to get on the to get to acton to get on the high speed rail. Its actually just quicker to go on a slower line from london to birmingham. So really understood so i never really understood what was the priority of london to birmingham. There were already there. What already good links there. What about manchester to leeds . What about manchester to leeds . What about to newcastle . I about manchester to newcastle . I mean, it doesnt make any sense i none of it makes any sense. It never did make any sense. And you know, sadness about this is that lives have been ruined. So that lives have been ruined. So people have been kicked out of their houses, you know, ancient woodlands have been destroyed. If they enough part it now or if they enough part of it now or acts mean, can they axe it acts i mean, can they axe it completely when the tunnels have already been drilled . Mean, to me that i mean, it seems to me that theyre not going to win either way because if they axe it, they look weak and everyones going to asking, youve spent 100 to be asking, youve spent 100 billion of taxpayers cash on this youre now axing it. This and youre now axing it. And if they keep on with and if they keep on going with it, still a White Elephant it, its still a White Elephant because working because people are working remotely. Its slower than conventional lines and it doesnt cover the north. Its a a black hole its a its a black hole where money was always going to disappear down. And maybe theyre to pull the theyre right now to pull the plug theyre right now to pull the plug it. I mean, i think the plug on it. I mean, i think the strikes franco have a part to play strikes franco have a part to play in this the fact that the strikes have stopped people going back to rail after the pandemic and, you know, whats the point of investing . Why wouldnt labour be in a better position if they supported axing hs2 . I mean, i appreciate they cant do that because of their union paymasters who are representing people who are going to work on these projects for years to come. There isnt the clear come. But there isnt the clear blue rishi sunak blue water that rishi sunak wants this issue. I notice wants on this issue. I notice that starmer hasnt said that starmer hasnt really said anything net zero. Im anything about the net zero. Im getting the impression the government to fight it. It government wants to fight it. It wants to the fight to wants to take the fight to laboun wants to take the fight to labour. Are saying oh, labour. People are saying oh, theyre well theyre indistinguishable. Well we the difference we dont know the difference between so between starmer and sunak, so hes saying all of these quite right wing things throwing the red yet is not taking red meat, but yet is not taking the bait on any of this, is he . Well, starmer is being advised by lord mandelson. Right. And tony blair, the right. And via tony blair, the former master of the dark, partly. And the whole strategy is to say as little as possible to stay under the radar as possible. Because every time he does actually come out with a policy , as he did with the policy, as he did with the migration the other week, it falls apart at the first touch and we kind of see labour unmasked. So its the silent assassin approach continues. Dave yellow fever. Weve got the liberal democrats their conferences in bournemouth. Conferences in bournemouth. Weve got ed davey in the observer saying, ill take the fight to the tories. Will he . Fight to the tories. Will he . Do you know , i think the do you know, i think the polls are underestimating the impact of the lib dem vote. We keep on seeing them around 8 to 10. We say , oh, the lib dems are 10. We say, oh, the lib dems are finished. Theyre nothing. Like, you know, when nick clegg got being deputy Prime Minister. And thats true to a certain extent, but were a swathes of conservative seats because of the way lib dem votes split around the country. Its not even its very strong in certain areas. So the south west hampshire , surrey, the so called hampshire, surrey, the so called blue wall, basically, which davey is saying hell smash through. Although im going to ask Wendy Chamberlain later. Wendy chamberlain this later. Shes liberal democrat chief shes the liberal democrat chief whip. This confusion over where they are on the eu got layla moran, their own Foreign Affairs spokeswoman, saying will spokeswoman, saying we will rejoin and is saying, no, no, no, we wont. You know, where do you you look at the you stand if you look at the wording of policy, it is wording of their policy, it is rejoin without admitting rejoin join without admitting that would rejoin because that they would rejoin because i think there are some conservatives obviously conservatives who are obviously back be back brexit that might be disaffected with sunak, disaffected with rishi sunak, but not going to be but theyre not going to be wanting support a party that wanting to support a party that wants to take us back into brussels. Right . In general, it seems that voters are completely disillusioned with politics and politicians. Interesting polling politicians. Interesting polling in telegraph where in the telegraph where effectively a third of voters say that politicians are the worst ever and also that they would like to see a new party or political figure to seize on the disillusion. Basically were saying that theyre trumping for a donald like figure. Well, they had that with Boris Johnson and it all went wrong. Yes they did. But there are other people out there are other out there. There are other opfions out there. There are other options there youre options out there youre thinking well somebody thinking about. Well somebody that close this that might be close to this shadow may be a mr. Farage. And i know, but we keep on grilling nige on this. And hes like, oh, well, i dont know if im going to step back into the fray. The issue the issue there is i dont think reform uk is the right. Um, if there was right platform. Um, if there was a conservative party on the a new conservative party on the right and it would need to be a new conservative party, i new conservative party, then i think that. Led by whom, though . Well somebody like nigel, maybe somebody like priti patel, somebody like priti patel, somebody on the right of the conservatives. Then there would conservatives. Then there would be a chance. I mean, sunak clearly recognise uses this because he has this week this comes back down to a reason for the may election is a more right wing than makes out. I say that than he makes out. I say that because weve had lord ashcrofts biography in the week come out basically saying hes a thatcherite at heart. Hes just been by Boris Johnsons been stymied by Boris Johnsons excessive public spending and some of these green levies that he never supported. He is, quote, not a hairshirt green. He said, yeah , well, im actually said, yeah, well, im actually quoted in that book. Are you principled . Yeah on the brexit issue, because he was always said that hes not a real brexiteer. And the first time i met him was on the day he told David Cameron to get stuffed because was to going support because he was to going support leave. And i knew rishi quite well when he was a backbencher and hes he always struck me as being a factor. Right. And the brexit year and maybe he keeps it well disguised at times, doesnt i think its been doesnt he . I think its been disappointing to a certain degree. Were maybe were going to see a bit more after the net zero climbdown of him unleashing his innen inner. Maggie, just a final word on with jenny on this interview with Jenny Harries in the telegraph, which incensed us both slightly in the green room will behave more like sweden when the next pandemic hits, says Jenny Harries, who was basically sir chris whitty. Was basically sir chris whitty. Sort of number two. Yes, sorry , sort of number two. Yes, sorry, hang on a minute. Sort of number two. Yes, sorry, hang on a minute. Werent hang on a minute. Werent newspapers like yours and mine and commentators like you and me saying throughout the entire escapade that we should be more like sweden and getting shot down by people for apparently wanting a oaps to be killed in their droves. Now she says this. I trawled through that article looking for an apology. Article looking for an apology. I didnt see one. I think they managed to drag out the admission that they would follow the more liberal approach that sweden took. I mean, i remember being in the zoom meetings with you know, little zoom meetings with Carl Hannigan and Robert Dingwall and people saying , with Carl Hannigan and Robert Dingwall and people saying, hang on, has anyone considered the effect on Childrens Mental Health of closing down schools . We reported this stuff. We got trashed on got absolutely trashed on twitter. Turns out we might have been folks. Have been right, folks. Whod have thought it . Anyway, david, thank thought it . Anyway, david, thank you very much for joining me this lovely, lovely this morning. Lovely, lovely to see as i think you see you. Now as i think you know, because she was on breakfast, Catherine Forster is in dover with the Peoples Panel. Shes a line up panel. Shes got a great line up of panellists to get stuck into our guests this morning. Catherine, what do your panellists want to ask the people appearing on the show today . Today . Good morning, camilla yes, good morning, camilla from oh, excuse me. Ive got a frog in my throat from dover. Were at the tea cafe. Its a lovely sunny day. Im in the shade , obviously. Lets meet our shade, obviously. Lets meet our panel now. So lets talk, first panel now. So lets talk, first of all, to the owner. Good of all, to the owner. Good morning, kelly. Thank you very much for hosting us today on the Peoples Panel. Its absolute rammed in here. Hows business and whats your secret . And whats your secret . Business is brilliant. Weve business is brilliant. Weve not had no experience , bad not had no experience, bad experience with business. Weve kept it all through the lockdown. Its doing really well. Our prices are low and business is booming. Thats really great to hear. Lots of people enjoying full engush lots of people enjoying full english breakfast. I might be tempted a little bit later. Right, lets go and talk to our panel now. Thank you all very panel now. Thank you all very much for coming out this morning. And lorraine, im going to talk to you first. You are. You talk to you first. You are. You worked as a magistrate. You worked as a magistrate. You worked as a magistrate. You worked for the border force for 27 years. Obviously illegal immigration, people coming across the channel a huge issue around the country. But youre really bearing the brunt of it in dover. And tell us what you think about the governments policy. Rishi sunak said hes policy. Rishi sunak said hes going to stop the boats. Is he . And whats the effect locally . And whats the effect locally . I dont believe a word that comes from the government. We lent our votes to the conservatives because thought conservatives because we thought brexit to going brexit was actually to going happen. Weve never given happen. Weve never been given the wanted. There the brexit that we wanted. There are immigrants coming up are Illegal Immigrants coming up on the local beaches that are disappearing wider disappearing into the wider countr