The Health Secretary, victoria atkins. Ill also be speaking to margaret thatchers former economics adviser, sir john redwood, be telling me redwood, wholl be telling me why we cant afford net zero and whats going wrong at the bank of england . The former culture secretary and johnson secretary and Boris Johnson loyalist Nadine Dorries will be here she wont here in the studio and she wont be holding back, giving us her two pennies worth on the ongoing troubles in westminster and as the rayner, the heat rises on Angela Rayner, will to stand will starmer continue to stand by his shadow deputy pm . Ill be asking former secretary of state for Northern IrelandShaun Woodward take on the woodward for his take on the affair, and the author, angus hanton, will be sharing his new book vassal state, which explores how influenced our explores just how influenced our lives are in britain. By america. Were going to be covering a lot over the next 90 minutes, so do not think of going anywhere. Well, lets kick off as ever with the sunday morning papers. Im delighted to be joined by the editor of the jewish chronicle. Jake wallis simons. Chronicle. Jake wallis simons. Jake, thanks for coming in, because i know youve had very because i know youve had a very busy covering for your own busy night covering for your own newspaper. Whats been happening in it in israel . I found it interesting. Obviously that most of the newspapers changed up. What interesting was the of the newspapers changed up. Wha on interesting was the of the newspapers changed up. Wha on sundayeresting was the of the newspapers changed up. Whaon sunday changedas the of the newspapers changed up. Whaon sunday changed upthe of the newspapers changed up. Whaon sunday changed up its� sun on sunday changed up its front page cover this missile front page to cover this missile blitz as it describes it. So this is a story that sort of transcends the broadsheets. It transcends the broadsheets. It transcends foreign pages. Transcends the foreign pages. Youve written really youve written a really interesting youve written a really intethe ing youve written a really intethe sunday where us, the sunday telegraph, where youre accusing biden youre basically accusing biden of appeasement on iran. And of appeasement on iran. And i mean, youre i dont think youre being alarmist, but you are sort of raising spectre are sort of raising the spectre of in something of this escalating in something very, difficult very, very difficult for the western right. I mean, the very, very difficult for the westthat right. I mean, the very, very difficult for the westthat led1t. I mean, the very, very difficult for the westthat led usi mean, the very, very difficult for the westthat led us herein, the very, very difficult for the westthat led us here really was path that led us here really was one of american appeasement. Ever joe biden took over ever since joe biden took over in the white house, he spent his time with regard to iran, trying to get them back into a nuclear deal to get them back into a nuclear deal, was what donald deal, which was what donald trump of in trump pulled america out of in 2018. I think it was because it really wasnt working very well. And during that time of appeasement that he basically ignored his own sanctions to iran, releasing 16 billion of frozen sanctions money into the iranian coffers, partly as part of this ridiculous hostage deal where he got five americans for a sum of 6 billion, which is 1. 2 billion per head. I mean, its quite a lot of money incentivising further hostage taking. But this appeasement led taking. But this appeasement led to the iranians making more Nuclear Progress than they had before. All the key landmarks in terms of enriching uranium to 20, 60. And so forth were achieved during time. And achieved during that time. And the the iranians the message that the iranians received we push the message that the iranians receenvelope we push the message that the iranians receenvelope further e push the message that the iranians receenvelope further and push the message that the iranians receenvelope further and further the envelope further and further and further. And the iranian approach is like approach really is like grandmothers. Footsteps that you grandmothers. Footsteps that you sort of when the back is turned, you take a few steps and you stop when the when the person turns back. But the americans have brought have never really brought themselves to turn around. Fiercly and stop them to bring that deterrence to that sort of that deterrence to play. Therefore, the play. And so therefore, the iranians thought iranians clearly have thought that they can launch this unprecedented, massive attack on israel and not experience a devastating looks devastating response that looks like kind of where the where the americans are pressuring israel to go. Now how worrying are Irans Nuclear capabilities as it stands today . Well, look, they are according to intelligence assessments, there are about a week away from enough fissile material for one bomb. Thats a week of progress. So they trigger that at so they could trigger that at any point. Once youve got any point. Then once youve got that you still need to that material, you still need to get it to work on a warhead, and that will take a matter of a few months. Thats the best assessment. Now is that right . Is dont is it accurate . We dont entirely could entirely know. They could have reached threshold reached that threshold already. Frankly were not certain. The eyes of the world have been firmly fixed on the gaza conflict, obviously. And one wonders whether the iranians have been so quiet because theyve forward theyve been pushing forward that background. That progress in the background. You think that changes how do you think that changes things the of things in terms of the kind of perception of netanyahu, the proportionality perception of netanyahu, the pr you we agree that you know, we all agree with that. But they could have worked constructively to constructively with israel to destroy hamas while protecting civilians possible. Civilians as much as possible. And the reason why they should be embarrassed now is that clearly the stakes have been have been greatly increased by this iranian attack. Now theyre pulling behind israel. Now their pulling behind israel. Now their their previous lack of support for israel are being shown to be ridiculously hollow because theyre you sending theyre now, you know, sending fighter into the skies to fighter jets into the skies to protect the jewish state as they should doing. Theyre protect the jewish state as they should theiring. Theyre protect the jewish state as they should their previous theyre protect the jewish state as they should their previous position protect the jewish state as they shou utterlyr previous position protect the jewish state as they shou utterly absurd. 15 position protect the jewish state as they shou utte bring surd. 15 position protect the jewish state as they shou utte bring this. 15 position protect the jewish state as they shou utte bring this. 15 pcto ion lets bring this back to britain, ive kind of put a compendium of stories together, which are in the telegraph, and given headline given them the headline useful idiots question i we idiots question mark. I mean, we read bbc arabic presenter read that a bbc arabic presenter tells a show guest he should apologise for his israeli sympathy. Weve got anti hamas protesters defeating police bans. Obviously, we know that there are more marches that have taken place in the capital yesterday. Weve got a pro palestinian activist making a throat cut gesture at israeli group. Gesture at israeli group. I think the i mean, the thing that draws all this together is that draws all this together is that people too many that people still too many people that people dont realise that israels is essential israels security is essential to our security, you know, because if i mean, you know, a scenario of world war that would drag us into conflict is very easy to consider. I mean, for example , if the iranian attack example, if the iranian attack were to continue and if israel were to continue and if israel were forced to respond in, the americans were forced to respond as well. That would be a moment as well. That would be a moment where china, example, would where china, for example, would seek attack taiwan, splitting seek to attack taiwan, splitting American Forces and causing us as well to send assets into the indo pacific. At that point, putin could seize the opportunity to estonia or opportunity to attack estonia or moldova and indeed launched missiles at london, because weve primary supporter weve been the primary supporter of ukraine. Thats easy to imagine. Suddenly we find imagine. And suddenly we find ourselves in a situation where missiles are raining down on london. Our armed forces are enough to what, fill half of wembley stadium, our trident missiles. At the last test plopped weve got plopped into the sea. Weve got an carrier with a rusty an Aircraft Carrier with a rusty propeller that couldnt even get out not out of harbour. Were not prepared for war. And also we would people marching on prepared for war. And also we w0lstreets people marching on prepared for war. And also we w0lstreets ineople marching on prepared for war. And also we wol streets in favournarching on prepared for war. And also we wol streets in favour of ching on prepared for war. And also we wol streets in favour of gaza. On the streets in favour of gaza. Every saturday may coming up every saturday may be coming up with new chants supporting iran, you know, iran, iran make us proud or Something Like that. The situation where youd have on the streets of have people on the streets of britain in favour britain chanting in favour of iran, least everything britain chanting in favour of iran happened everything britain chanting in favour of iran happened there everything britain chanting in favour of iran happened there ev well, actually, im not speaking in hypothetical hypotheticals last week, hypotheticals because last week, or weeks ago, there hypotheticals because last week, or the weeks ago, there hypotheticals because last week, or the annualweeks ago, there hypotheticals because last week, or the annual aleks ago, there hypotheticals because last week, or the annual al quds]0, there hypotheticals because last week, or the annual al quds day1ere hypotheticals because last week, or the annual al quds day march was the annual al quds day march taking london. That taking place in london. That is an that was an iranian march that was started by the tehran regime. Its been taking place year after year around the world, including in britain, by iranian sympathisers expressing support for iran. Thats already happening on our streets, attracting tens of thousands of people, including people expressing open for terror. What should happen that what should happen about that day, police , day, jake . I mean, the police, weve had successive home secretaries saying the police weve had successive home secre thees saying the police weve had successive home secre the powers; the police weve had successive home secre the powers to 1e police weve had successive home secre the powers to stop lice weve had successive home secre the powers to stop these have the powers to stop these marches and choose not to do so. Do that rhetoric, or do you buy that rhetoric, or do you the government you think the government needs to do say, banning such marches . Well, i mean, dont well, look, i mean, i dont think further think that we need further legislation. Problem is legislation. The problem is weve legislation that weve got the legislation that weve got the legislation that we ban, you know, hate we need to ban, you know, hate preachers inciting to violence up to ban up and down the country to ban expressions support for open, expressions of support for open, you know, for terrorist groups on so but on our streets and so forth. But the problem is its not being enforced. And if the police were to enforce the law, these marches would not be able to happen because of happen because some of the organisers close organisers themselves are close to have close to to hamas or have been close to hamas in past. So if that hamas in the past. So if that was out, marches was taken out, the marches wouldnt happening. Was taken out, the marches wotlets happening. Was taken out, the marches wotlets imoveiing. Was taken out, the marches wotlets imove over to lets just move over to australia, obviously. The killing of six people at the Westfield Shopping Centre in bondi have Bondi Junction would have been more front more prominent on the front pages it not been for what pages had it not been for what happenedin pages had it not been for what happened in israel last night. Lets just focus in the sunday express on this Police Express has on this Police Officer, Police Officer, this female Police Officer. I its a very officer. I mean, its a very distressing actually. But distressing image actually. But in newspapers, youll know as an edhon in newspapers, youll know as an editor, sort of take editor, jake, you sort of take a decision. You that decision. Should you run that kind shot . I in this kind of shot . I think in this case because what its case you do, because what its really up is the bravery really summing up is the bravery of young officer. Of this young female officer. Shes the shes apparently been down the road completely road doing something completely different. Screams, different. She hears screams, she in, she risks life to she goes in, she risks life to save life. She goes and shoots this guy , i mean, it does beg this guy, i mean, it does beg the question. I think in the this was not a terror attack. This was a man clearly with Mental Health issues. However, the vulnerability of Shopping Centres per se is always something thats personally worried me. Ive got children , worried me. Ive got children, they want to go to Shopping Centres, you know, anyone can stroll of and stroll in and out of them. And its about shopping its the thing about Shopping Centres, particularly like westfield, can home westfield, is they can be home at point hundreds not at that point to hundreds if not thousands people who i think thousands of people who i think are quite vulnerable begs the question, perhaps, about whether we police we should be arming our police in obviously, in this country. Obviously, this copper so copper was able to respond so quickly effectively quickly and so effectively because she a weapon. Because she carried a weapon. I mean, look, you know, yeah, i mean, look, you know, she example of the best she was an example of the best of society and the of Australian Society and the best of the west, i think. And it reminded little bit of it reminded me a little bit of the, the siege in nairobi of the Shopping Centre there. Remember in an off duty sas in 2013 when an off duty sas officer, christian craighead, went in by himself rescued went in by himself and rescued countless so , yes, you countless lives so, yes, you know, extraordinary heroism, total absence of cowardice, which is something that cannot be said of political be said of our political classes. Modis name. Classes. And modis name. Lets just name this. Amy scott, amy scott, amy scott, who i think must be in line for some sort sort recognition sort of sort of recognition of her because just her bravery because its just extraordinary and shot this man stopped tried to stopped him, and then tried to help attention, help him with medical attention, which right thing to do. Help him with medical attention, whi it right thing to do. Help him with medical attention, whi it just right thing to do. Help him with medical attention, whi it just showsjht thing to do. Help him with medical attention, whi it just shows that1ing to do. Help him with medical attention, whi it just shows that compassion it just shows that compassion alongside cpr, courage on the guy that was was basically unleashed reign of abject unleashed this reign of abject terror on ordinary people going about business. Terror on ordinary people going about of business. Terror on ordinary people going about of coursezss. Terror on ordinary people going about of course ,is. Terror on ordinary people going about of course , our hearts go and of course, our hearts go out to the families of the victims this. Know , victims in all this. You know, young in hospital. Young mum, a baby in hospital. Its belief , its just beggars belief, really, lets move on to a final domestic story because it has again dominated the papers. Labour hoped this story would go away, jake, didnt they . And yet weve testimony weve got yet more testimony suggesting that Angela Rayner has lied about this to home situation has become, she once bragged, i think of being prescott in skirt, and weve prescott in a skirt, and weve gone to homes. Gone from two jags to two homes. Rayner is her position tenable as shadow deputy pm . Do you think after all this . Well, i think shes become a liability, hasnt she. I mean she you know labour has has positioned clean positioned itself as the clean party. You know tory sleaze, party. You know the tory sleaze, all stuff all the kind of partygate stuff pointing all the kind of partygate stuff poirwas one of the main finger she was one of the main finger pointers, i think, and that she was in a, in a, in a hotly contested field in that in calling for others to resign, you resign , publish you must resign, publish your tax calling tax return and calling the tories memorably. And now tories scum memorably. And now it the chickens have come it seems the chickens have come home has become home to roost and she has become a liability , although very a liability, although shes very useful because useful to keir starmer because she left of the she does keep the left of the party and therefore party quite happy and therefore its to be a void that its going to be a void that hell have to fill. And then you have to ask yourself whos he going to fill it he does her to it with . If he does ask her to step indeed, if she step down, or indeed, if she volunteers step down this volunteers to step down this week. Looking likely week. Its not looking likely at the but thats a the moment, but thats a difficulty politically, difficulty for him politically, isnt difficulty for him politically, isni angela is is difficu