You , it can get quite stormy in you, it can get quite stormy in here. Because, of course, im joined by one of the few tories yet to be caught in a sixteen scandal. Albie amankona still time the night is young. The time the night is young. The wokeist non gender aligned person in britain, Benjamin Butterworth. He wishes he could butterworth. He wishes he could get caught in a sixteen scandal because hed like the publicity. And leo, has no time for and ben leo, who has no time for sixteen because hes too busy presenting eight gb news shows a day also the brilliant day. We also have the brilliant showbiz journalist Stephanie Takyi to keep things in order. Now weve got five lively debates lined up for the first houn debates lined up for the first hour. We want your thoughts on all of them. Of course, as usual. And dont forget, you can ask us whatever you like in ask the five. Get in touch by emailing gb views gb news. Com but before the bad blood and petty squabbling begins, its your saturday night news with tatiana sanchez. Tatiana sanchez. Darren. Thank you. The top stories this hour. Storm kathleen has brought strong winds and a provisional highest temperature of the year so far. After recording of 20. 9 c in suffolk, dozens of flights have been cancelled , though, due to been cancelled, though, due to storm kathleen, with gusts of up to 70mph in Northern Ireland and the west of britain , over 140 the west of britain, over 140 flights have been called off so far. A yellow weather warning far. A yellow weather warning for wind is in effect until 10 00 tonight and covers cornwall, much of wales, parts of lancashire and cumbria and up into central scotland. Into central scotland. Meanwhile, two planes on the runway at Heathrow Airport have collided , causing damage to collided, causing damage to their wings. Footage shows the Virgin Atlantic planes wing touching a British Airways aircraft surrounded by emergency services. The virgin boeing 787 nine plane had completed a flight and was being towed to a different part of the airfield. Its understood, though, that there were no passengers on board at the time of the incident. Rail passengers have been facing fresh travel disruption today as train drivers continue their walkouts in a pay dispute. Drivers continue their walkouts in a pay dispute. Members of in a pay dispute. Members of aslef at Six Companies have been walking out, leaving some areas with no services all day. Chiltern Transpennine Express and northern have not been running any trains and therell be a reduced service on great western, lner and Heathrow ExpressEngineering Work means there have been no trains between london paddington and reading. The torso, found at reading. The torso, found at a nature reserve in salford, belonged to a man aged older than 40. A Murder Investigation was launched by Greater Manchester police after the body part was found wrapped in plastic at kersal wetlands. The victims believed to have been dead for a matter of days. Dna tests are ongoing to identify the man. Climate activist greta the man. Climate activist Greta Thunberg has been detained by dutch police during a demonstration in the hague. Demonstration in the hague. Thunberg was put in a large bus by officers along with other protesters, who tried to block a major highway into the administrative capital of the netherlands. The 21 year old activist was protesting against the dutch governments fossil fuel subsidies. The dutch governments fossil fuel subsidies. A conservative fuel subsidies. A conservative mp. Says he was the first mp. Says he was the first whistleblower to alert police to the parliamentary honey trap sixteen scandal. Bosworth mp, doctor luke evans says he was the victim of a cyber flashing as the metropolitan police launched investigation launched an investigation into unsolicited messages with Leicestershire Police on thursday. Tory mp William Wragg told the times hed sent intimate pictures of himself to someone on a gay dating app, and was then manipulated into providing colleagues phone numbers. So far , around a dozen numbers. So far, around a dozen mps, staff and journalists are known to have been targeted. The first set of messages i got was on a day i was with my wife, and i got a one time open photo on whatsapp of an explicit image of a naked lady. As soon as i got these the next day, i reported it to the police, the authorities and the chief whip. Ten days later, i got another set of messages, this time , set of messages, this time, however, i was sat with my team in the constituency office, so we were able to record the conversation and catch photos and videos of the messages coming through , including coming through, including another explicit female image. I put my name up to say, well, i hope others come forward. Im just pleased i blew the whistle, reported it to the authorities, andifs reported it to the authorities, and its now being looked into. And its now being looked into. Nearly £17 million worth of drugs has been seized by the royal navy after it intercepted smuggling speedboats in the canbbean smuggling speedboats in the Caribbean Sea across two operations. Hms trent seized 200kg of cocaine following a port visit to the island of martinique. Defence secretary grant shapps says it shows the navys commitment to disrupt and dismantle drug traffickers. And dismantle drug traffickers. And today marks the 50th anniversary of abbas famous win at the eurovision song contest, which elevated the Swedish Pop Group to international fame. Waterloo couldnt escape if i wanted to. Couldnt escape if i wanted to. Their fans gathered today at londons Waterloo Station to pay tribute by singing the song that won them the contest. Abba won the european music competition with their smash hit waterloo in 1974. For the latest stories , 1974. For the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. Kaja kallas. On your screen or go to gb news. Kaja kallas. Now lets on your screen or go to gb news. Kaja kallas. Now lets get back kaja kallas. Now lets get back to the saturday five. Its saturday night and youre with the saturday five. Im Darren Grimes and i want you all to settle down, forget the cares of the world, and enjoy two hours of topical discussion. Were going to crack on with tonights first debate. Whos going to kick us off . Me, please i darren, i will commence proceedings. Right. Since you asked nicely. Asked nicely. Thank you. Darren, its the biggest news story of the week, wasnt it . Its quite a quiet news week, but the biggest one was willie wragg, the tory mp who got caught out sending explicit messages and pictures to a number. So not only to a random number. So not only did this mp compromise himself, we all know what happened. He handed over the numbers of other parliamentary staffers and mps. I an absolute i think its an absolute disgrace. But the likes of jeremy hunt, the chancellor, said William Wragg said that William Wragg was courageous for forward in courageous for coming forward in explaining massive gaffe and explaining his massive gaffe and that hed been scared he was that hed been scared and he was a victim. So my question is to a victim. So my question is to everybody here, if dont mps deserve to feel the consequences of their actions anymore . Not of their actions anymore . Not only should he have been sacked or resigned sending a random or resigned for sending a random phone number, naughty pictures, but also additionally he compromised everyone else in the process. But i think, ben, what what what people might say is that he is standing down at the next general election. Well, hes already pre announced that. Now what might normally happen in this circumstance is an mp might say, well, i wont stand for election at the next election rather than just resign straight away because if youre thinking about it just a purely selfish way, it just in a purely selfish way, if he resigns straight away, then he loses his income, doesnt well so he should. Doesnt he . Well so he should. Hes an mp, as i said, hes hes an mp, as i said, two, two isolated incidents here by so not only did he by the way. So not only did he compromise himself that as far as concerned, on an as im concerned, on an individual basis is worthy of a sacking or a resignation combined with the fact he stitched up all his colleagues as and may i add, the as well . And may i add, put the safety and security of the nafion safety and security of the nation risk. He lose nation at risk. He could lose the whip. I think he could lose the whip. You know, he is stepping down so we know it was already its going to be a wrap for him. But i am thinking about his Mental Health here ben. Like look hes already laughing in already the laughing stock in the been the world of politics. Hes been splattered pages of splattered on the front pages of the isnt that the newspapers. Isnt that enough for him . Isnt that enough . Shame isnt that enough disgrace have disgrace for him here . You have to man has been forced to think the man has been forced to think the man has been forced to what hes been doing to expose what hes been doing in his personal life. Hes probably a lesson now. So probably learnt a lesson now. So lets turn the other cheek. Just, its his its not just, oh, its his personal life. Leave peoples private be. This guy private lives be. This guy is a leader country. Hes leader of the country. Hes voted his constituents and he voted by his constituents and he has ive been learnt has a duty. And ive been learnt this week that mps go through training kind of thing. Training for this kind of thing. Blackmail well, the blackmail honey. Well, the honeypot. Honeypot traps. Honeypot. Yeah. Honeypot traps. They so they go through training. So theyre and for theyre briefed on this. And for me, sending i mean i dont, i dont know about anyone else, but i dont send kind but i dont send those kind of pictures to anyone. Are married, so. Well, you are married, so. Well, you are married, so. Even, even its yeah, even, even its different youre single. Different when youre single. But i think im very vanilla, but i think we know that. Will wragg had several months off from being an mp not long ago because had a breakdown. Ago because he had a breakdown. We know that hes had very so we know that hes had very poor health and he poor Mental Health and he had been i strongly been open about that. I strongly suspect why the suspect that explains why the Prime Minister and the chancellor have basically decided to lay off, as have the other parties, because they know that person is particularly that this person is particularly fragile. Normal fragile. And while in normal circumstances, think you circumstances, i would think you should lose the whip, it should be seriously dealt this is be seriously dealt with. This is someone clearly someone who is clearly in a in a poor state already. And so what would actually achieve . I would you actually achieve . I think a level of compassion goes a way given hes leaving parliament. Anyway. I think actually im going to nasty little cow going to be the nasty little cow on i think he had this on shock. I think he he had this sort of stance of moral indignation at Boris Johnsons government. He was giving it all the, oh, Boris Johnson needs to 90, the, oh, Boris Johnson needs to go, hes a disgrace, blah, blah, blah. But thats politics. Pot blah. But thats politics. Pot kettle, black. But thats politics though. But thats politics though. Exactly. Exactly. Its politics. He was blaming bofis its politics. He was blaming boris about politics. This is about his personal life. No no no no no. [10 [10 110. No no no. This was about defending chris pincher, who pincher by name, pincher by nature. And by the way, is there an argument or a debate to be had about hiding behind Mental Health . Saying hes health . Im not saying hes lying about his situation, but in example of huw edwards, in the example of huw edwards, for bbc, theyre for example, at the bbc, theyre still his 430 k a year salary. Thats a legal requirement thats out of licence fee payer cash. I know, but theres an argument there we license argument there that we license fee should have more fee payers should have more knowledge. Bbc and knowledge. Or the bbc and huw edwards should more edwards should be more transparent situation. Transparent about his situation. I its very i dont think its very difficult question. Mental health, just difficult question. So. 1tal health, just difficult question. So. 1talfirst. Th, just difficult question. So. 1talfirst of just difficult question. So. 1talfirst of all, just difficult question. So. 1talfirst of all, thinkst say so. So first of all, i think the reason that parties and the tories and the other parties have laid is because they have laid off is because they know particular is know this particular person is fragile. Most fragile. But one of the most serious things are two serious things there are two really things. I think really serious things. I think one the that after one is the fact that after voluntarily sending explicit photos, that as as that photos, that as soon as that person tried blackmail him, person tried to blackmail him, he caved in. That i he immediately caved in. That i find very worrying about his character and, you know, principles to be so easily overtaken. That suggests that, you know, is he somebody of character to be an mp in the first place . The other point id make is that he passed on numbers not just of other mps, which is a security risk, but of staffers who are obviously his juniors. I think in any juniors. And so i think in any other workplace, if a tv presenter had sent the producers number in that context, youd be sacked the spot, right . Sacked on the spot, right . Because such an abuse of because that is such an abuse of power pass on junior power to pass on a junior persons details and put them at risk, probably multiple Data Protection breaches and all sorts of stuff i can imagine. Then come back to that then we come back to that point mps, because of point about mps, because of course, elected by their course, mps are elected by their constituents. And really then its the constituents its up to the constituents to decide box whether decide at the ballot box whether or not they want mp. Or not they still want that mp. And is already standing down. All right. Lets move on then. Who have we got next . Weve got me darren. So i got myself bit of hot myself into a little bit of hot water on this with water earlier on this week with my favourite childhood author, jk | my favourite childhood author, jk i sent a tweet in jk rowling. I sent a tweet in response to misgendering response to her misgendering a transgender munroe transgender model, Munroe Bergdorf. Is what i bergdorf. And this is what i said in the tweet. Like most brits, im sympathetic to jk rowlings views on biological sex and the need for single sex provisions, but i suspect most brits like me would find calling a woman who looks like a trans woman who looks like Munroe Bergdorf him to be munroe Munroe Bergdorf him to be obtuse and mean spirited. Youre seeing some images of the tweet there. Jk fired back, saying, so if trans identified men are pretty enough as judged by you, a man, women ought to agree that theyre women. Femaleness has no relation whatsoever to how well an individual man or woman performs feminine femininity to male standards. This is the very definition of misogyny. So i went out earlier on today to see what the public think about this, because i seem to think that the public are on my side. But this is what they said earlier on. What do you think of people who deliberately misgender trans people, i think its quite ridiculous. We all its quite ridiculous. We all choose our identities and we should respect one another and go should respect one another and 90 by should respect one another and go by what everyone feels for themselves. So i will call her the way she wants me to, the way she wants to be called. So if shes transgender. Wants to be called. So if shes transgender. So it means that transgender. So it means that she wants to be she. So i would call her chi. Sorry. Let me start again. I got this wrong. Thats what i like. You. Yeah. Dont worry, because you are. Youre still confused. Confused. Yeah. Its not very nice, is it . Its their choice which it . Its their choice which pronoun they want to use. And i dont think thats very. Its not great. Basically she her. And if this person told you that they were transgender, would you still call them she her . Well, id ask them what theyd want to be called actually spot on. And then go from there rather than assume right now go and try that in hartlepool. But thats not the point. Ben. Leo, every single Central London and every Single Member of the public that i went up to said they would be quite happy to call Munroe Bergdorf. She her, which is what my prediction was to begin with. And i think i could do this vox pop in hartlepool or in oldham, which is where my mothers family are from, and i think we get similar results. It doesnt mean that everybody has to think that way, because jk rowling i its like psychological warfare here, because trans women, yes, they are trans women, but they are not biological women. And we shouldnt be forced into thinking, yes, they are biological women , but they biological women, but they deserve the respect if they want to be known as trans women, give them the respect j. K. Rowling shouldnt be terrorising anyone online. But. So okay, so they should be given the respect of being called by whatever pronouns they want. Yeah, but people shouldnt want. Yeah, but people shouldnt have of deciding how have the respect of deciding how to dictate their own language. But its the same how someone wants you to treat them. So if y