Treme the dog show really clarify the difference between activism and organizing Scott when was living in Seattle and working for the tenants union when the w t o came to town his experience in 1909 led to his participation and co-founding the coalition of anti-racist whites organizing to me at the center is about building relationships to build organizations to build a movement that's a whole different thing than protesting what's wrong and when you have a strange requires folks to get up and fly somewhere for a week and then when the success of that means you got arrested that right there just require so much privilege to stay engaged and not work to have time off to have cash to fly there and to be the you know that in 10 years it's not going to matter you have a record protesting and community organizing aren't necessarily mutually exclusive Stephanie Gill you believes there is a place for large mobilizations within a community organizing context it's not necessarily protests convergence versus community organizing to me it would be protest politics that we need to transform from sort of an act now an act only more of a community organizing basis that leads to approach convergence if necessary if that's the strategy that's needed at the moment during the 1999 w t o protests how their day was working for the committee in solidarity with the people of El Salvador accompanying a Salvadoran labor activist through the week's events but she was also involved with the civil disobedience organization Direct Action Network conduct Action Network I often felt kind of frustrated that there was really an exploitation something that everybody was an anarchist and I just that's not my personal background there at the caisson I decided I wanted to help create a space that where there wasn't any assumption about where people are coming from politically and that there was an acceptance that different philosophies about organizing could be complimentary to one another a year and many lengthy conversations later. Community Alliance for global justice formed in Seattle the overarching campaign of Community Alliance for global justice is strengthening local economies everywhere we have worked on trying to defeat extensions of NAFTA of the North American Free Trade Agreement our 1st campaign was to mark to stop the f.d.a. The Free Trade Area of the Americas we still have the free trade agreement negotiated with Panama and one with Colombia and one with South Korea that have yet been voted on largely because we have been successful Tammy bang Lou looks to community organizing efforts as concrete examples of lessons learned on the left during and after the w t o protests in Seattle in some ways you know actions helped open a conversation. And in terms of what we want the movement to look like and be like how do we actually begin to start working together and I think that we've learnt it even in these mass mobilization learned from what we didn't do well and the deputy Stephanie Gil you of project South argues the global justice movement still has a long way to go with the lessons that came out of Seattle in 1990 truthfully I think we haven't learned enough of the lessons from that moment that we were able to put globalisation as a word on to the coffee table was a huge success but that's not all we have to do like we have to build the communities and the understanding and the motion so that we can that we're continually confronting and not just highlighting what it is and what it does that this is now in some ways a part of history it deserves some attention in terms of what do we learn and how are we building on it and then also how we assess the weaknesses in a way that isn't divisive or competitive but is actually part of a learning curve while everyone I spoke with has chosen to center their work on community organizing rather than organizing protests they all agreed there is always an appropriate time and a place for mobilizations each emphasized the protests. An organizing tactic have an important and strategic place in community building. Yes this is Jill freed Burke that story originally aired in 2009 many thanks for contributing that to k. B.C.'s Thanks for tuning in to $9013.00 k. B.C.'s and the special edition of The Tom Hartman program. This is the. Program to all go back to on our air with you is it the end of the world as we know it. A lot of talk you know there in the previous hour just to just to recap if you're just tuning in. I was laid out this thing called democratic peace theory which Emanuel Kahn came up with in 795 that was indorsed by by Adam Smith the author of Wealth of Nations was indorsed by Thomas Paine. Was embraced by the early French Revolution the idea that if every country in the world became a democracy there would be no more war it would end the war for all time Woodrow Wilson embrace this theory it's what I call World War One The War To End All Wars and I argued for the League of Nations and the theory is that democracies will never go to war because it is long and you define a democracy as a free press. For political parties including opposition parties and most importantly that the will of the people actually gets accomplished now by that definition you could say America is no longer a democracy. Because since by and large the Reagan revolution particularly with Republican administrations what we get are laws that are not supported by the vast majority of the people and policies that are not supported by the vast majority of people so you could argue at least during Republican administrations that we are not democratic small d democratic and even during. The majority the people did not want NAFTA but Bill Clinton got it to a majority the people didn't want you know the ownership rules of television and radio to be changed but you know we have a Communications Act in 96 there was already people didn't want you know the bankruptcy laws to be changed so those student loans couldn't be discharged in bankruptcy Well actually that was during the George w. Bush administration but my point is that when the majority the people can decide what the country does they would people will never vote to send their own children off to a war that's that's not defensiveness not the response that is not a response to an attack and yet a pro harbor you get a 911 yeah there's going to be a response and it may be a war. And I think I would pull harbor that's pretty hard to dispute with 911 it's a whole different thing because it wasn't a state that attacked us unless it was Saudi Arabia by proxy it was it was a religious group that grew out of Saudi Wahhabism But in any case I think that's that's a debatable tangent The point is that. When you have healthy democracies you don't have war and what Trump is doing is embracing countries that are not democracies or are only you know titular democracies like Russia or China which actually calls themselves communist . And doesn't have the opposition parties doesn't have a free press and doesn't have you know popular elections so it's clearly not a democracy but Trump is embrace and Saudi Arabia a brutal dictatorship is a brace in these countries and he's embracing leaders of what were democratic countries but the leaders have renounced democracy Modi in India. In the Philippines air to won in Turkey l.c.c. And Egypt I mean you know the list goes on and that by doing this he's he is damaging democracy all around the world in the us a radically increase in the probability of war and my point was that the 2020 Alexion coming up in November of this year. If next year other if if this you know a year from now 13 months from now if this neoconservative neo 'd liberal ideology that has been embraced by the Republican Party since 1980 was embraced by the Supreme Court in 1976 and inflicted on America and we saw another example of that today with the Supreme Court said oh you know the Republicans gerrymandered Michigan that's just fine and the return of the reason for this of course the reason that the Republicans got away with it is because before that the Supreme Court's billionaire's what on politics as politicians I was just fine that was 76 that let is and that was Reagan So what we're watching is the destruction of democracy all around the world and at the same time along with that we're seeing the risk of war going up and I have a real real concern that World War 3 is not going to be pretty every every time we have a major war the weapons that were just introduced in the previous war are used. Whether it's aircraft or where there's new kinds of bombing or whether it's you know napalm whatever it may be now it's nukes and a World War 3 I'm quite sure would be a nuclear war and it could be a civilization killer literally the end of human civilization which as I said last hour I mean you could I you know there are people who would argue that's a good thing for the planet I'm not so sure but there is a group who actually thinks that would be a wonderful thing to have to have a civilization ending war a planet ending war and that group calls themselves evangelical evangelicals or you know evangelical Christians the last day doom called that has that has consumed Christianity and melded itself at the hip to the Republican Party this is you know how else can you say it other than to say you know clearly not a healthy thing. Now interesting Lee the Pew Research Center just came out with this report. Day before yesterday actually and it's over at their Web site Pew Forum dot org And the headline in the United States the decline of Christianity continues at a rapid pace they know the 43 percent of American adults identify with progress Protestant. Are you know can call themselves Protestant Christians down from 51 percent in 2009 all subsets of religiously unaffiliated people have seen their numbers increase 17 percent of Americans now describe their religion as quote Nothing in particular from 12 percent in 2009 and this is if you aggregate all of it among Christians. In 2978 percent of Americans identify themselves as Christians today it's 65 percent. As religiously affiliated Christians and the percentage of people who identify themselves as religiously unaffiliated Christians from 2009 today has gone from 16 percent to 26 percent and both Protestants and Catholics are shrinking as a percentage of our population is looking at Christianity but it raises a really interesting question why. You know I have. Said on this program going to send this for 16 years that I consider myself a Christian in that you know a I was raised in Christianity and so you know it's kind of baked into me. And I love the words of Jesus I think you know he was a great philosopher because this whole this whole idea of you know Original Sin and the need for salvation and Jesus died for yourself you know. I have a problem with all that. But I don't think that makes me not a Christian but I can tell you that there's a lot of Christian churches that would say you know you're not welcome here. With that perspective so I'm one of those on affiliated Christians who believes in the teachings in the end and they eat those of the religion but not in all the doctrine and not in some of the more far out stuff like oh you know we've got to have this war to end all wars you know we're where you know the 2nd Temple gets a wreck that you know where the or the Al Aqsa Mosque gets taken over by Christians or Jews and then. You know Jesus will go on then there's a giant war in Israel and only 144000 Jews are left and they all convert to Christianity to avoid being destroyed and then Jesus returns to the earth so why is Christianity in decline in the United States. I mean it's I think this is a really important and meaningful question. I think that a lot of it has to do with the fact the big money has corrupted Christianity the same way it's corrupted the Republican Party and to has some extent to a large extent the Democratic Party as well you've got evangelical mega church pastors and televangelists who are becoming they've become the new Borgia's you know the Italian family that had 3 pope's kind of took over the Catholic Church for a while and lived in bizarre excess and this is the evangelical met up mega church pastors in the televangelists they're living lives of luxury they're building massive personal fortunes they've got private jets they've got is states. And they're telling their followers that God loves this particular corrupt politician and that particular corrupt politician. You know I'd say the Catholic Church never exercised their own internal rot and corruption which goes back to abortions. And they're paying a price for it right now and Protestant Christianity is at a crossroads is Protestant Christianity going to return to their core they're generally a political middle class values the Methodist church that I was raised in where politics was literally never mentioned. Or will the most visible leaders among the Protestant religions continue to embrace the Republican Party and its billionaire mega donors and thus continue to destroy Christianity. Is you know if I'll be and then you look at the numbers. 94 percent of Republicans overall oppose impeaching Donald Trump and remove him from office 94 percent but among evangelicals 99 percent oppose impeaching. The guy the. The guy who grabs women the guy who who assaults women the guy who the guy who you know has had. 2 divorces and is on his 3rd wife who got into the United States now by you know on an iron Stein visa and who brought her family her parents over a chain migration and all that but you know the Trump is campaigning against I mean you know Stephen Miller's it has to be exploding right. But has capitalism in the Republican Party destroyed religion I guess that's ultimately the question. Can religion just like in the 1st hour I was asking basically can peace recover from capitalism and the Republican Party. And the mockers the recover from you know the Supreme Court inflicting all this damage on it over the years. And the Republican Party. And now can religion recover from the. Doubtful. This is the Hartman program it would be fascinating to know what's happening with some of the more progressive of the process of. The denomination. 913. And 0 Welcome back. Mazie stuff is not just amazing. Johnny in Galveston Texas a Johnny what's on your mind. Peter Principle can hear me Ok yeah all right. Pocket The only go to class already put into your place or the people pocket it don't are players who love to lots of money behind prescreened Americans who are ideologically weak and you know wanting to get big better use would be pushed mostly in the Republican Party and to a lesser degree in the Democratic Party need to get every cabinet to make social Darwinist acquital view such that this idea about the democratic peace dearie in the Arab world doesn't exist they have when they think that it's time to do it periodic culling of the world population that's what they push war regardless of what you and I like to subscribe to and the only way we can overcome to emigrate if we can. Can you tell me yes I'm listening. To you saying that I just miss West Point it really competitive match no matter. Their Country and Western countries and coldly on the right wing enough is enough right this is this is what this is my concern Johnny is that this election is literally our last chance it is literally our last chance giant Thank you I spotted Gary and made in Pennsylvania Gary what's up. Good morning thank you Gary Hart. Greta's Martin ever and that's what actually you're talking about here I. Keep coming back to that everything is a matter that seems it always comes back to that President Tom Hartman So I the only thing I would like to add now lives of. Franklin Delano Roosevelt a nagual address 136 by the way the previous at the Are You were way that was the nomination to the speech in 1036 the previous quote but having said all that. Maybe your show should be called today I would call it hopeful but tempered by realities of reality. The reality of Will building be enough in 2020 so the jury's. I'm whole soul I am hopeful. But like you and I've been I guess I've said this for a number of years I was doubtful to be frank with you not to not to say anything more but I was all but hopeful So this is where we're at in America 2019. We're at the breaking point we all know and we all don't admit it but we all know it and in closing I say to close. Down the Roosevelt quote. In the not gracious speech of 1936 when he said that the test of progress is not whether we had more to the abundance of those who have much rather weaker by. Whether or not we provide to little for those who. Well. I get I get I get where you're going with you Gary and I'm over the quote I can't I can't quote appropriate me either but yes absolutely and better a government you know. That has excesses of generosity essentially I forget how you phrase that then is frozen in the ice of its own indifference as well the other piece that Gary thank you great to hear from you will be right back it's 22 minutes past the. Hour so he tore children from their parents and put them in cages and ordered the u.s. Government to pay $750.00 a day to for profit companies the support his candidacy and his campaign and his presidency. Number one I mean here's a list a partial list of some of the crimes of Donald Trump refused to release his tax returns made his fortune you know largely through financial fraud has been accused of being sexually assaulting multiple women became president as a result of the involvement of a foreign government in part became president in part because he paid off paid hush money to a story Daniels and Kiran McDougal he described Nazis and white supremacists as very fine people I mean this goes way beyond the tea and suit we've got the entire list the whole list of all of Donald Trump's crimes in a new video we post over time Arbonne dot com for supporters of our program so you can check it out there. He's. A nice to be a peach to. Go back to Marvin here with you so. You know what where oh where is this all heading it looks to me like what we're seen is you know around the world is the death of democracy and and parallel with that you could say it looks like we're seeing the death of that part of religion that is compassionate that is understanding that is nurturing that is deeply spiritual and those kinds of religions and most of those dimensions of religion are being replaced by the Middle East with the rise of ISIS and fundamentalist Islam that has metastasized out of the cancer in Saudi Arabia of Wahhabism you see in this in the United States in the cancer of televangelists and mega church pastors metastasizing out of. Out of a business model basically that was provided by television and radio back 3040 years ago of brokered time and has become basically a major big business I mean I remember in 1980 I went to the National Religious Broadcasters. Association and r.b.a. . In Washington d.c. To their annual convention and talked about this couple weeks ago on the air about Robert Schiller giving the keynote address and just horrifying people because he called him out he said you are sheep you are ravening wolves among the sheep I mean it was just like you know he it was just horrified people but but it you know there was oh it was a trade show there were brutes they were selling I you know it's a multi $1000000000.00 industry and it has its lords and ladies. And it's no longer Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker but now it's Jerry Falwell Jr and Franklin Graham Ammon and you know a whole bunch of mega church down or excuse me mega church pastors who are. You know whose names are not. Common. Among people who just do you know who are not fundamentalists but but the kind of Christianity that they're embracing is