People who are in this country illegally. Ted cruz supported a 500 percent increase in the number of h1b visas, the guest workers that are allowed in to this country. And ted supports doubling the number of green cards. Ted it is not accurate, what he just said that i supported legalization. Indeed, i led the fight against his legalization and amnesty bill. Sabrina one other bit of news from the debate, Donald Trumps definitely running to be the republican candidate for president. The gop front runner has frequently teased the gops top brass with the possibility that he could mount an independent run if hes not treated fairly. But breaking news, he says he wont do it. Donald i am totally committed to the republican party. I feel very honored to be the front runner. Sabrina well, does he really mean it . Well have to wait and see, well break down more of the debate in depth with Political Science professor art sanders a little later in the show. But now to some political news breaking at the end of this week. The Democratic National committee suspended senator campaigns access to the dnc voter database. Thats after the Party Organization said the campaign was able to take advantage of a Software Error to access Hillary Clintons confidential voter information. It happened when a firewall went down on wednesday. Well the campaigns National Data director was fired over it, but the Sanders Campaign came out afterwards and said the dnc is doing this to undermine them. Well, its still a developing mess right now, but joining us is somebody who can help sort it all out. Pat rynard with iowa starting line blog, but you used to also work for Hillary Clintons campaign. Pat yeah and number of campaigns that used this software. Sabrina so first of all, whats your take away from this, how wrong was it that Bernie Sanders possibly had access and potentially looked at that information . Pat sure, well over all its unprecedented on a number of fronts. Number one, that there was a breech in the firewall between the campaigns. That the clinton people were able to see a sanders stuff and sanders people able to see clintons stuff. Sanders staffers and not just any sanders staffer, but their National Data director, actually used it to run a bunch of lists of the clinton data. And number 3, that the Sanders Campaign access to it has been cut off completely. Ive never seen that before. Especially this close to an election. Sabrina so first of all, i mean how detrimental is it to a campaign to no longer have access to this data . Pat sure, i mean you use it all the time. The National Voter file, the van they call it, it has everything. It has all your lists of voters, its where you put all your information in. Its usually where you keep mostly your volunteers. So, right now you know, they cant print off lists of call sheets, of walk lists for their volunteers to come in and use. I mean, from the very top to the very bottom, every single staffer uses this. Not just every day, but like every couple hours a day. I dont know what i would do right now if i was in a Sanders Campaign office. Sabrina well so do you think theyre response saying that this is the dnc trying to undermine clinton, or undermine bernie Sanders Campaign . Pat no, i think the dnc needed to do some thing in response to this, because it was definitely a improper usage from their data director. I hope that they get it back up pretty quickly, because, i mean, the bigger problem here is that theres so much mistrust between the dnc and the sanders and the omalley campaigns. That everyone sees debbie wassermanschultz, the dnc chair, as biased towards hillary clinton. So theyre immediately gonna assume the wrong, that theres suspect motives behind it. Sabrina well first of all, for Sanders Campaign. I mean, they say that they had seen this issue earlier on in the campaign. They brought it to the dncs attention. They said, they claimed they fixed the firewall problem. I mean, so, why is it still happening . Pat well and they have, the Sanders Campaign has reason to be frustrated too. Everyones a little bit at fault in this, although i think what the Sanders Campaign did really took it to a different level. These breaks in the firewall between the National President ial campaigns at this level. Especially if theyve seen it before. So you know, the voter file vendor should have cleared this up earlier. Sabrina ok, but so moving forward, you said that you hope that the Sanders Campaign have access to their data again. But how do we make sure that some thing like this might not happen again . Pat actually, at this point it should be pretty easy. Because you can track pretty well what everybody does in the voter file. Every user for every campaign, i dont think they would try this again. laughter sabrina i would probably assume that that is true. Now lets talk very quickly, we have about 30 seconds left. Do you think that Hillary Clintons campaign is being treated, being given the upper hand through out this whole campaign process . Pat yeah. Sabrina yeah, you do . Pat yeah, i think the dnc, in particular wassermanschultz. Especially with the debate schedules. You know, they scheduled so few of them, its only on, 2 of them here are on saturday nights, when not that many people are theyve kinda tilted the Playing Field in a way. And then wassermanschultz, when ever she does media interviews, theres always kind of the sense of distain for any of the nonclinton campaigns. That doesnt help things. Over all, its just bad for democrats. Because both sides are just really angry with each other. Every supporters are you know, accusing the other ones of hoax. So, hopefully, it just goes away. laughter sabrina lets hope that we can have some smooth sailing from here. Pat right. Sabrina pat, thank you very much. music sabrina alright up next, debate in depth. A local political scientist to discuss if the republican candidates did themselves any favors in the last debate of music sabrina welcome back everyone. Lets check in on the latest polls here in iowa. For the dems, a solid lead for hillary clinton, 51 percent support. Bernie sanders at 40 percent, Martin Omalley at 6 percent, this according to the latest numbers from Quinnipiac University which polled likely iowa caucus goers. Now on the republican side, its getting tighter at the top according to quinnipiac. Trump still the front runner, 28 to 27 percent support. Followed by marco rubio, ben carson, jeb bush rounding out the top 5. Well some more news from that same quinnipiac poll, what issues matter most to voters . Terrorism is now the top issue of mt concern to iowas republican voters. 30 percent say so, higher now even than the economy, Foreign Policy, immigration or the federal deficit. Since it was the first gop show down since the terror attacks in paris and san bernadino, we kinda got a bit of a preview of how a republican president would reshape u. S. National security policy. So joining us now is Political Science professor at drake university, art sanders. Art, thank you so much for being here. Art youre welcome. Sabrina now, with Foreign Policy the focus in this debate and voters paying most attention to this issue, as we just mentioned. How did you see the candidates distinguishing themselves and do you think that anybody really gained any ground after this . Art well, it helps a couple of candidates simply because most, particularly, its been good for ted cruz, not because hes a Foreign Policy expert. Btu because it allows him to distinguish himself from donald trump with out attacking donald trump. Its not a great issue for donald trump. Its also a good issue for marco rubio, because rubios weakest issue as a republican. An issue which in fact might be stronger for him in the general election, is immigration. And to the extent that he can talk about Foreign Policy, hes preventing a conversation about immigration. You showed that little bit earlier where ted cruz tried to attack him on immigration. Rubio wants to talk about Foreign Policy. Sabrina which hearing marco rubio talk about Foreign Policy is rather impressive, youre right. Now, what do you make of this, well call them attack pair ups. So, jeb bush and donald trump, other. And then of course, as you mentioned, ted cruz and marco rubio attacking each other. Why do those candidates feel that they need to be tough on each other . I mean, why dont ted cruz and donald trump battle it out more . Art ok, jeb bush is in big trouble. He knows it, Everybody Knows it. He spent an enormous amount of time and money here in iowa and hes at 6 percent. The only way that hes going to start to gain some traction is if he can bring down donald trump. He has attempted to attack trump in the past with out any success at all. He was probably a little more successful this time. Well see whether or not its enough and trump always attacks back. Cruz, his strategy is to be there when trump doesnt make it because trump has a ceiling. Everybody knows that, nobody but there are a lot of people who think that donald trump will not end up with the nomination. Cruz wants to be there to pick up those voters and so he doesnt want to alienate them. So, he goes about, he lets other people attack trump. He attacks the other people who might challenge him and he hopes that all those other voters move in to his camp. Sabrina ok, very quickly. Do you think trump has the potential to get the nomination . Art i think its highly unlikely, but yes, he has the potential because there are, as long as there are soany candidates and the antitrump forces cant move down to a Single Person . He has a chance. Sabrina its so interesting and i wish we had more time, because there are so many more things we want to talk about. I want to talk about ben carson, but you know, we have no time. Art sanders, thank you so much for being here. music sabrina well take a quick break. I really like your tie, by the way. Art thanks. Sabrina coming up next, we from the Federal Reserve. A hike in Interest Rates, so what does that mean to you and music sabrina welcome back everyone. Well in a major move thatll send ripple effects through out the u. S. And world economies, the Federal Reserve this week raised its key Interest Rate by a quarter point. It had been at zero since 2008. The move was widely expected, but its a vote of confidence for the u. S. Economy which is recovering slowly since the great recession. So joining us now is tom root, professor of economics at drake university. Tom thank you very much for being here. Tom thank you. Sabrina now we wanted to first talk about this in laymans terms. What does it mean that the, that the Interest Rate has been raised by a quarter of a percent . Tom mmhmm, it really is showing confidence for the economy. What the fed has done is increase the really small rate that the banks charge each other when they lend overnight. Really Short Term Loans and what it means for the consumer is that it could potentially have increasing Interest Rates on things like home loans and credit cards and things like that in the future. Sabrina car loans as well . Tom mmhmm, absolutely. Talking, i mean. 25 percent. It actually in a home loan translates to be quite a bit of money. Tom it does over like a 30 year home loan. Sabrina right. Tom in the end, you wont see that right away. One of the big things thats gonna happen is the difference between a short term Interest Rate that the banks charge and the longer term rates you see on home loans and things like that. The consumers, whether or not they see the impact right away, is probably gonna be questionable. You wont really feel it 6 months out, a year out. Absolutely, youll probably see those Interest Rates starting to go up. And i think if youre considering buying a home or considering that car . You start thinking about doing it sooner as opposed to later. Sabrina and are you thinking that maybe if you have a variable Interest Rate its different and will have different effects on you than if you have a fixed Interest Rate . Tom absolutely, if you have in that rate sooner. The variable rates gonna have the chance to go up and so youre gonna be worried now about increasing rate when for the long term. Sabrina mmhmm, ok great. So lets talk a little bit about your reaction to the increase in the Interest Rate. Were you surprised at all . Tom no, when youvr been watching this for the last few years, the fed has been wanting extended period of time. The increase in rates was really finally the chance for them to start moving towards a more normal economy. Theyre very accommodative in terms of having extra money available for lending. Theyve been that way ever since 2008. So, what theyre really trying to do is get back to a neutal stance. It is a sense that the economy is Strong Enough they think that they dont need to be as accommodative as they have in the past. Sabrina so, the fed has also indicated that they could potentially raise Interest Rates again in 2016. Tom mmhmm. Sabrina how do you see that might play out . Tom yeah, historically the fed will raise rates about every 6 weeks when they have their once they start to increase rates, thats gonna be different here. Sabrina ok. Tom theyre gonna be much slower in terms of doing that. Theyre very much saying they want to take a very slow and kind of thoughtful path with doing this. I would think it would probably be march maybe before they do the next rate and it again, will be Something Like a quarter of a point. Itll be a very small and very measured increase in terms of rates. Sabrina right. Tom but it will start going up for the next few years. It maxes out, at what percent . Tom mmhmm, hard to say. I think the fed would like to see the short term rate closer to 1 or 2 percent. Maybe 2, 2 and a half even. Which really makes home loans go up by the same amount, another 2 or 3 percent on home loans by the end of that. That could be as far as 2 to 3 years out though before they get there. Sabrina but it could make the dollar stronger . Tom absolutely, its gonna change where we are now. The dollar is very strong in international and its just been fabulous for everybody else. laughter tom no so great for us, unless you want to go travel. Thats wonderful, but our exports kind of expensive overseas. Sabrina ok, thank you so much for being here. music sabrina so interesting and obviously affects every Single Person in this country. Tom yeah, absolutely. Sabrina tom, thank you. Ok, well we go deeper up next in to Interest Rates. What will the impact be on des moines home market . A local real estate expert joins music sabrina welcome back everyone. Well, as we continue our discussion on the impact of rising Interest Rates from the fed this week. Ken clark is the president of the Iowa Association of realtors. Youve been in real estate for 40 years now. Youre just the right expert that we want to talk to about home buying. laughter sabrina what really our so, are you worried about this slow down with the Interest Rates and the hike . Are you worried that fewer people will be buying homes . Ken well actually, past experience shows us that when Interest Rates are rising, people have a tendency to buy faster. Sabrina why is that . Ken well, because they have a tendency to wait until they think the rates are as low as they can be before they begin to buy. So, when the rates begin to rise, they get out and start buying, so. Sabrina they think oh gosh, better get it now. Ken better buy it now. Sabrina so, you think maybe . Ken it may be a positive or itll be a positive for home sales. Of course, people are gonna ultimately wind up paying more for their homes, because the Interest Rates are gonna be higher. But that will also open up credit better, as Interest Rates rise. Lenders have a tendency to be a little bit more lenient with credit. So itll help some buyers, too. Sabrina how would you say the overall Housing Market in des moines has been and iowa has ken iowa and des moines have been very robust this last quarter. Our sales have been exceeding where our expectations would be and there ahead of last year, quite a bit. Sabrina so thats good for you guys. Ken its very good for the buyers. The prices are good and the Interest Rates have been good. Its been, weve had a great run. We havent seen 5 percent interest, which our chief economist of the National Association of realtors predicts that by the end of next year, we will have 4 and half to 5 percent Interest Rates. And we havent seen t