They are tenderfoot bluegrass and you're listening to k.c. M.j. LP all around us for a news. Welcome to the cannabis community radio at k.c. M.j. 93.9 f.m. Them in the heart of Colorado Springs home of America's mount in the cannabis revolution My name is Casey star in this is your cannabis community radio show tonight's guest is Mr John Patterson he is a global media source and a hip Globetrotter and he is the c.e.o. And founder of tiny him poems Welcome to the station John thank you Casey it's an honor to be here well actually the honor is all ours I've been following you online and it's kind of exciting I've seen some your videos and I've seen your live displays actually some of these Expos What are you all about John in your tummy and poems on my desk in front of me by the way listeners is a big piece of hemp concrete Well Casey were about. Building homes with more natural materials and one of the plants that we found most useful is industrial hemp and we mix that with a lime base binder to form a thermal wall system that essentially replaces the dry wall insulation exteriors boarding house rap siding caulk paint all in one wall system that is more energy efficient it's healthier because it's breathable it is pest and mildew resistant and it is noncombustible so it's hard to catch on fire and it doesn't catch other things on fire and this is him as fiber me. Yes we use the inner part of the industrial hemp stock known as the ship of or the herd and that's actually the stock they have not the the leave or the flour that's correct and it's not even the exteriors part of fiber the part that you make see shirts and socks with that's the stream part that's on the exteriors part of the stock and we use the inner part of the stock which is a little wood chip type thing and this is kind of amazing because we've had a guest on the day throughout the month talking about him as medicine help is food and as fuel as fiber and you're actually building homes that's correct. How did you get involved in Him Well back in the eighty's when Jack Hare came out with his publication The Emperor's New Clothes . I got interested in industrial hemp but it wasn't until I'd spent many years as a carpenter that I really realized that there was a real world application and they were doing this they were building hemp homes in Europe by the hundreds and so I reached out and I found a guy from Ireland named Steve Allen the author of building with hemp. And he was teaching a an event in Wisconsin and so I flew out and took that 3 day workshop and then about a year later I hired him to come out for our 1st tiny him power up and birth of Colorado and we hosted him in my home and he taught another 3 day event and after that that was 3 years ago September. Yeah and so after we'd after he had come out for that workshop then I took what I had learned from him as my mentor and started offering my own workshop showing people how to do this I realized that it was popular a lot of the young people they didn't want to build a traditional home but when they were talking to tiny Ham pounce they were interested and so through that educational platform I hope to further spread the word like my mentor did with me so were you a him farmer to begin with or did you are a carpenter and then you kind of mix the 2 of for material fiber and with your construction but yeah I was a carpenter by trade and I had always sought a better way to build houses and I was sitting in the city of Fort Collins green code building classicists 3 days of classes where they were teaching us how we should build our homes more green and what I realized in those 3 days is that to green up our homes we were using more and more chemical and oil based products in order to seal the air inside of our homes and that was the primary goal was to make them so that the air didn't Xscape but it didn't sound so green to me to use more petroleum an oil based product so I sought out a better way to do it and I found industrial hemp about that same time and that's that's how we kind of got started with that and where the motivation was coming from as I decided that there must be a better way and when I found it I thought I've got to share this with the world. Across the board in doing your demo there are lot of you haven't seen him live or gone to bed it's pretty amazing that you look feel and touch this we've talked so much about cannabis and medicine and recreational marijuana but how many have homes is kind of a new phenomenon here in the media source that we're seeing. Yeah we're starting to gain a little bit more momentum because I think people are interested in both tiny houses and palaces and we use the tiny platform as an educational platform because people can see themselves building a tiny house but the fact of the matter is k.c. We can build these buildings any size in Europe they're building buildings of the does size of a football stadium and large storage facilities for wine or beer or liquids like to be kept the same temperature kind of like humans do so they're saving a lot of money every year by keeping their wine and beer a more comfortable temperature and that's the primary thing that we look at is comfort for humans this thermal wall system is not like concrete it doesn't steal your energy like concrete it will give the warmth back into the room and you'll feel more comfortable inside these facilities how is that well because it is it's a special recipe the industrial hemp heard mixed with a lime base binder an industrial hemp plant itself is able to absorb some moisture and so when the system absorbs that moisture it carries heat with it and then if you have a microscopic view of that plant it also is able to release that heat back off into the room so you don't have mold and mildew developing on the walls because there's no one water sitting on that it gets absorbed into the system that's pretty amazing because I've worked in construction is my father was a carpenter and you know she was always kind of weird that chalky worked with you had insulation up in the attic that your as kids you were for through the dirty work you did feel good being around that material that insulation. Products look at the piece the concrete What is stopping this to go into an industrial scale in America. Nothing's really stopping right now we are in a building of the new industry it is new it's not in our building codes and things like that however we can apply for building permits in most municipalities with through the alternative building materials section and we can prove that we perform at least store a much better than any other system that they're proving so at this beginning stage of the industrial hemp industry in general. We're gathering momentum we're coming up with proof of concepts and that's what we do with these houses as we're proving the concept of getting more people educated and interested and that will match well with the industrial hemp growing in Colorado specifically but also all throughout the nation and also the processing So right now we're working on coming up with the right investors to see those infrastructures both for the farmers and the processor so that we get the material in the fashion that we need to use it for all sorts of different building materials but also other other products that you might see just about everything in the room you can use industrial hemp to make our plastics and all kinds of stuff we can do with the plant you know by research. Have cannabis cannabis you know who. Can disclose about everything we wear can be replaced with with him except the metals the lotions the clothes the like he said the plastics yes even our homes. B.m.w. Just a couple years ago they actually as you know him 5 are in their bodies of the vehicles why would the. Why would they use them in the body of the vehicle Yes Well one of the big reasons is weight savings but also strength and funny you mention that your previous guest Jason La love I was out in North Carolina a couple years ago and he picked me up in the hemp b.m.w. Car and we went on to be part of a meeting there that eventually led to the. Legislation for industrial hemp in North Carolina and they just can't planted the other day that's historic Yes they are right that is historic That's were you know it's a law I'm Troche to get a bill passed and to change those more raise those fears we have in America and turn to him poems is a beautiful way to do it people can relate to it you can look at it you can touch it it's not about smoking it's not complicated by medical analysis or opinions it is a fiber being used to help humanity. With your tiny have homes are you seeing traction are you waiting for legislation because it's not quite across the board except that's true on an overall standpoint however what we do building homes I rarely get any objection now you can't smoke your house in fact you can hardly burn it if you try what is it about him that makes it hard to burn. Him as a natural fire resistant see but it will still catch on fire before we mix it up with our lime base buying or so we're using different materials that coat that industrial hemp that make it harder to burn so it's the combination of the things that we put together that helps you know I was reading the say for chemicals and healthy healthy families movement to try to have a nationwide effort to pass federal policy to protect us from toxic chemicals you mention the fact that you're at this green room talking about bigger homes greener and you're here in the use of more petrol products which are necessarily helpful yes very very good point in fact there is a documentary called Toxic hot seat and it explains how the firefighters of San Francisco had determined that it was the fire retardant chemicals that were put in the furniture that when they burn were giving their firefighters cancer at alarming rates well that's tragic because they run in there the save someone's life and potentially put most of the risk in more ways than one and they also found out that these chemicals didn't do anything to stop a fire or retired fire want to buy their furniture into those big labels on there with all those you know don't burn Don't do this all those warning labels you as the other side of the furniture that you cut off. Is that what you're talking about . All the while in California specifically it was mandated that these chemicals be used in furniture cushions and things and the firefighters were able to mount a campaign where they were able to enact legislation where it's no longer mandatory . But many furniture manufacturers still put those chemical San Well help is having a you know we're seeing him farm just mention North Carolina you know people planting seeds all across this country is there a place to process all that coming to him to my knowledge there's not a lot of court of a case in factories that's correct but there will be and right now just like Canada what's driving the industrial hemp market in the beginning is the medicinal hemp or the c.b.d. Products can about I all and the hemp seed for nutrition I have him parts on my breakfast cereal the omega 3 s. In the proteins and the little c. It is amazing and there's already some processing in place for that now what we use it for it's going to take a little bit more infrastructure but not that much to build the building industry up with Hamp and so as more and more states get going on this and more and more. Of the resources that we need both from a personnel stand for point but also a financial standpoint they're starting to come together because they're starting to realize that these are real industries that we are developing and these are American industries this is pretty profound to see seldom do you get to be alive within a few years before you know we are able to see the Internet or the birth of the automobile the birth of cannabis now as it's kind of coming back but if we look at American history cared of us was part of our heritage we've kind of forgotten it in some sense. Yes In fact I like to point to my one friend Les Stark who wrote the book hemp stone heritage he's out of a relationship but he's a brilliant man of a Pennsylvania the HIPPA story and that's right and I got to be out there and conduct an event with less and he taught me that from his book is all about the 1720s through the $840.00 s. In one county in Lancaster and Pennsylvania Lancaster County every farmer was a farmer and if you look through the book he couldn't find any newspaper articles everything had been squelched except the information that was in their will and so if you go through his book you can read some of what the will said and they would say like I leave my beloved wife Margaret 10 pounds of hackled hemp what's hackled him have called him is a one stage of the processing so it would have had the shiver removed and it was ready ready for the next step of fiber processing and then it would go to a bigger facility too but then make it into sales or ropes or clothing or whatever that next stage wanted to do with it yes if you look back at American history I watched less online involvement for years he is a historian and reefer madness is kind of wiped our mind clear of a lot of the potential in a lot of our American heritage I was in Topeka Kansas in the state capital and you look up and a lot of the state capitals actually have the hip stalk paid on their feelings it's part of our American heritage that been whitewashed over by fear. Yes and I find as an educator an advocate if I can point to that incest or all history people really get interested and that's who becomes advocates when you can explain to them that they have been lied to for generations about a plant that is more useful than anything else that we know of on planet Earth they start to get a little bit pissed off and they get excited and they get inspired to maybe help and that's what we're looking for Casey this is our responsibility we have got to leave a cleaner planet to our children and our grandchildren and so that's why I'm so inspired to get out there and do what I do I've got 2 young boys and I want them to experience a cleaner earth and talk about the cleaner earth for a moment we've read and seen people pushing for him to be used to detox of soil how was that possible. Well the industrial hemp plant is a good fight oh remediate are and again your previous guest knows all about fiery mediation he was involved in the 1st industrial hemp legislation in Colorado it was before Amendment 64 that we enacted a bill that would study industrial hemp growth at the Rocky Mountain Arsenal and also Rocky Flats to see if the industrial hemp would do as we thought it would do and that would be to pull toxins from the soil through its roots and up into the plant we knew from researching the journo will disaster that we are pretty sure that they had been growing industrial hemp there but we weren't privy to any of the other salts so we had to tackle that one for ourselves and what did you find out. Well they have proven that it does remove those heavy metals from the soil and there are some system sticks through that through that project and I think there's probably more research going on throughout the nation to study that more extensively that's pretty profound this is the natural remedy to detoxify our soils and you know without the oil plant we are nothing water and food plant is food is medicine and now you're looking at a plant also be a fuel and a building material. With a lot of advantages What are the barriers you're seeing of acceptance for him as a building material. Well the building industry like any other industry gets into its habits so the contractors have a certain way of building things the carpenters have a certain way of doing things the electricians have a certain way of doing things the suppliers have a certain way of doing things and so from an educational standpoint the more we can normalize building a different system because this is a different system it's not the old dry wall insulation siding it's a new system so some people don't have jobs and others do have the jobs but it's about changing people's habits and it's the same throughout the industrial hemp industry really different wearing different clothing that's a different habit you've got to buy differently and that stuff has to be available Same with the nutritional aspects of it you've got to make a switch and you've got to change one of your habits building industry it's got to change its habits it's got to realize that there's better ways to do it like we have and then take it on as a mission a and a passion lot of that is lead from the home owner themselves they desire things that are more comfortable and healthier to live in so if someone does want to build a tiny him home what is the process. Well many things are very similar a lot of the planning stages and things like that are the same we build the same framework with some basic architectural detail changes and throughout the planning process there are some small changes a little bit more engineering goes along with it and then the sourcing in the material is all stuff that through our educational process form we help to educate you on and walk you through the stages of planning ahead house and then eventually building it well in your case you know we are celebrating him we can have month with different events we'd love to have you down here for a tidy him home and possibly bring in some of those home builders in the contractor or the electricians to try to maybe even Jays that Norm education is kind of the key most definitely k.c. And that is the case for the industrial hemp and cannabis and history is in general is really normalizing in people's mind what this amazingly useful plant can do for each and every one of us look at those Him brick is that kind of made the same way you would make border. Yes we do it similarly And this is an example of the thermal all system so we build a framework very similar to the way you would any any other house stick frame or post and beam and then we install the electric and the plumbing and then after that we we mix up the hemp lime mixture and then we cast it into the wall system so that means that it surrounds all of the framing which eliminates thermal bridging which is an effect from a house where more heat will excuse where the framing is then the insulation so you have a piece of fiberglass insulation that you mentioned earlier you don't really like the stuff and it's got an r. 19 resistance factor our value a 2 by 4 has about an r $2.00 resistance factor so that means that more energy Xscape studios' studs and that's called thermal bridging but since we surround our framing with this material it essentially eliminates that effect I'm going to take a picture of that posted to our Facebook page for the nerves because it is actually the ducted And so you pour it in this is your in wall this is your interior wall yes yes and we might finish it with a more polished lime plaster something like what you might see in the Sistine Chapel where they did most of the famous artwork and on the exteriors you could put some regular siding on it or you can finish with lime based stucco or plaster wall is amazing I've seen you use the different fibers for different days are you working with local farmers to source that product or you grow yourself. Yes We actually work around the globe we have suppliers out of Europe that we can get the industrial hemp from and pretty much any quantity that we desire and we are also working with farmers and building that infrastructure here in the United States so that we when we have enough hemp grown we match that up with suitable processing and hopefully that matches up well with how well we've built the market for building homes and stuff to