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Teaching on hundreds of difficult topics in detail and in depth and so yeah I saw I really recommend that you get a hold of those resources and everything's free Nothing costs anything just go to the narrow path dot com you'll see how to get those apps or you'll just be have listen right from the the computer and you won't have to miss a thing all right well we've got our lines for right now though I don't think I've given the number out yet but I'm going to give you the number don't call now because you'll get a busy signal because the lines are full but but in a few minutes we'll have that opening up and you can call me at this number 844-484-5737 our 1st caller today is Kevin from Burbank California Kevin welcome to the narrow path thanks for calling a number of quick I want to toss away regarding season yes for any offices that could get him seen children's lives off from being killed in Jerusalem Yes I know nothing you mean that prevented him from doing so no. Actually he was counted as being killed in Jerusalem though if course he was outside the walls but he was not in some other city he was just outside the walls of Jerusalem so are you saying is there anything that prevented him from being crucified inside the walls of Jerusalem. Well I'm saying if if jerusalem is if the earth is or them and very important in terms of the sacrifices Yeah considering that he ultimate sacrifice wouldn't make sense that he would be killed in in Jerusalem and not outside Israel . Well I suppose if they wanted to if God wanted to make it exact He could have been killed right on the altar in the Temple in Jerusalem but obviously that they weren't crucified people inside the city but we do have an interesting statement in Hebrews Chapter 13 that mentions that Jesus suffered outside the gate and he points out. Sacrificial system there were certain parts of the animal that were considered to be unclean some of the some of the trails and the contents of the in trails and things like that they were not sacrificed on the altar they were carried outside the camp and deposited in an unclean place and in the writer of Hebrews makes a point about that he says in Hebrews $1311.00 for the bodies of those beasts whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the High Priest for sin are burned outside the camp Therefore Jesus also that he might sanctify the people with his own blood suffered outside the gate and so obviously Jesus suffering outside the gates of Jerusalem rather than inside is seen by the writer of Hebrews as a parallel to certain parts of the sacrificial act animal were burned outside the camp these were the parts that were considered to be unclean and therefore to say that Jesus was treated like an unclean thing if he had been sacrificed in Jerusalem for example in the temple as Zechariah the sort of joy to was. He was killed inside the temple but if Jesus had died inside the temple it might suggest that he was being viewed by those who kill him as a clean thing a clean animal being sacrificed but since he was taken outside the gate it indicates that he was treated like the unclean thing which he was not but that's how he was that's that's the reputation he he had and their priest says in verse 13 Therefore let us go forth to him outside the camp bearing his reproach so Jesus being crucified outside the city gates of Jerusalem is said to have been a matter of reproach he was treated like an unclean thing and since he did that we should be willing to be ostracised Also bear in his reproach if we are cast out from the circles we'd rather be in none of the quaking but the Word says that he often self through the tunnel spirit. Somewhere on the cross that was also true of eternal spirit what is that. Well it's it's not entirely clear what it means he offered himself through the eternal spirit except that a number of times and in the Gospels and in Acts we are told that whatever Jesus did he did through the Spirit he said he cast out demons by the Holy Spirit He said that it says in Acts Chapter one that he taught his disciples gave them commitments through the Holy Spirit and you know the Bible indicates that Jesus operated his entire ministry through the Spirit so it may simply mean that the that even the act of offering himself in his final act of sacrifice he did through the Holy Spirit as the Holy Spirit enabling him to do it now there's something more that could be implied and it could be saying that his eternal spirit when he died went into heaven and offered as it were his his the merits of his sacrifice on the holy of holies in heaven through the Spirit but if it means that that's not made clear so it could go you could go either way it seems to me thank you camera Ok Kevin I appreciate your call thanks for calling me let's talk next to Paul from Tyrone Georgia Paul welcome to the narrow path thanks for calling. You Thanks for having me on that bridge and. Some time recently listening to a lot of your. On You Tube and I really appreciate most of what you've had to say and not all of it I'll get operates and all of it and some of it I haven't fully agreed with but. Open to being persuaded. My question today about the of them saying that you're open to the idea or not opposed 'd to it necessarily but it doesn't seem to be something that you really adhere to although your some of your comments sound like an open be at the talking and I want to ask you. What it is 'd that you have found in Scripture about. If in fact you are not an open p.s. What has. You find. To be evidence that would suggest that God knows the truth. God knows the future of. Settled matters and that there are no right ability Yeah well you're right I do talk sometimes like I'm very open to open theism but I'm not an open theist. I believe that I believe that open theism gives 1. 1 possible scenario that has that can be supported from some evidence of scripture but it doesn't to my mind fit all the evidence necessarily there are other scenarios there's the real question is how does God know the future are or when I say how does God predict the future. Now that the Calvinist would say that God knows the future because he's ordained everything from beginning to end before the world began so he knows what's on the it's in the script you know he's got it all scripted and choreographed he knows every step is going to be I don't believe that are many and I believe that God has some kind of access to knowledge of the future that is not available to us or to anyone except him and that his ability to tell the future he even calls upon that as a proof that he is God In contrast to the false gods of the pagans and in the book of Isaiah he mentions this he says to the false gods to tell us what the future holds so that we can know that you are God's implying that a god would know you know any true God would know what the future holds and God shows that he knows by predicting the future now the open theist says God knows many things about the future but not mislead everything about the future because there are many things that he causes to happen and he knows in advance that he'll do that but what he doesn't know is what choices people or free moral agents will make. Because they say if he knew those choices in advance they would be determined and therefore they would see the Arminian view which was the middle view as mean almost like the Calvinist view that if if God actually does know what I'm going to do tomorrow then in my not destined to do it. How could I do anything tomorrow that's different than what God knows I'm going to do therefore even though I don't know what I'm going to do if God does I'm it's determined that we're going to do it and therefore they'd say well it's not the same as Calvinism we're Calvinism says that God knows the future because he determines the future. The Armenian would say well God doesn't determine everything I'm going to choose but he has some access to the knowledge of what I'm going to do how does he have this knowledge without determining it this I don't know there are a lot of suggestions probably one of the most popular ones is the one that c.s. Lewis gave that you know God lives outside of time in some Realm of Eternity where he can see the past present and future all at once in a glimpse and he's you know he's not passing through time like we are Another view is that God simply sees the trajectory of everything and knows everything about the present so intimately that he knows exactly what will happen in the future. Based on the present tendencies and present you know character of people and things like that. And there may be another answer that we don't know we don't and God never tells us how he knows the future but he does predict the future now some things he predicts of course he does cause like you know he can predict any number of things including the sun standing still or going back 10 degrees in the make it happen but as far as determining what people will choose I don't think God determines that in most cases now there are cases where he intervenes even to that he hardened Pharaoh's heart to make sure that he would not choose to let the people go. And things like that times are the case there are special cases where God as a judgment against someone who's very wicked will harden them or leave them as cog and make are said to be led by God in 30 and 39 lead with a hook in their nose by God to come down into the land of them all villages where they'll be wiped out by God. Many times God predicts that he will draw people to do a certain thing or that he's going to make something happen but the truth is that he doesn't determine the decisions we're going to make generally speaking or else it would be he who would have to take responsibility for them not we if we just pop it sort of are just machines or we're just creatures that are living out a script inevitably that we have no control over changing Well then we can't really be held responsible for anything good or bad that we do now you said what scriptures are there that seem to support the idea of God knowing the future I would say every time in Scripture that God predicts the. Choices that people are going to make would be an example of him knowing the future he knew for example that Cyrus would let the people go and he predicted it 200 years before it happened in Isaiah Chapter 44. You know he he knew that Judas would betray Him He knew that Peter would deny him 3 times before the cock with Crow and he predicted that would happen and you know these are things that Jesus knew people would do before they did them and in the Book of Revelation talks about people you know suffering great consequences and yet not repenting this predicting things that didn't happen yet at the time it was written and yet God predicted that these people would not repent now one Scott has said these things we might say well God is primarily guessing you know he's you know he's making a very good educated guess well the trouble is it has to be better than that because if God prophesies something and it doesn't come true that makes his agents a false prophet and you know even even a cult leaders can prophesy things once in a while they come true but they miss a lot if that's misled then they are false prophets and therefore if God is truly inspiring a prophet then what he says is going to come true unless of course there's conditions attached and those conditions occur but the point is that God does predict what people do in many times and that gives the impression he certainly knows what they will do right do you find that the evidence is compelling enough to make you say that. All matters of the future are therefore settled because of. Predicted or had a prophet problem certain things to be fixed do you consider READY that all their fault fixed or that there are. Is it possible that there are things in the future that are still possible and God knows I think that Gough and Lee as they really are and that they're possible rather than. Definite. Well I I'm not sure I could answer that with certainty and that's and if that was made very clear in Scripture then I think we wouldn't have these different camps trying to explain you know how God can predict the future if everything is fixed then of course that would make it possible for God to explain the future that would remove all mystery about this but fixed by whom if there fixed by God is the Calvinist say then once again nobody is responsible for anything because they're doing they're doing only what God ordained that they would inevitably must do they cannot break free from God's for ordination and therefore God is the the author of everything including the evil in the world and it would be a very strange thing for God to hold somebody else responsible when he's the one responsible for him to punish sinners when he's the one who are doing that they would sin and determine that they could not be saved which is what of course is the case with some people if Calvinism is true now the Arminian you might say well the Armenian view holds to that things are determined because God knows that they're going to happen but I could say well maybe in some world they are determined but maybe not by God maybe by other factors which God knows about may be part of my own free will because I mean consider this if. If I'm. If I'm watching a sports event on television that happened yesterday. And I know the score at the end because it happened yesterday I know I know that the in the last you know a few minutes you know a touchdown was made or something and changed everything and I know who did it and I know who blocked too and I know who received and I all I know all that stuff and I'm watching it on television but I I know it's going to happen because it is in fact determined but it wasn't me that determined it it was the actions of other people doing it in a time frame that I'm not in when I'm when I'm watching it on t.v. I'm in sort of another time frame when I'm watching on t.v. Then the time frame it actually happened in but you know the fact that I know what's going to happen doesn't mean that I determined that it was determined by choices and actions of other people if I have somehow access to that information that doesn't make me in any sense the cause or or the determiner or the or danger of those things only an observer but I'm just giving you some parallels in you know in real life that we know about we don't have any exact parallel to God and his for knowledge. We all we know is that he does seem to know everything and that's that's good enough for me now where are you coming from are you coming from the openness position or care Calvinist position or are somewhere in between well I have Calvinist idea for a long 'd time without knowing what Calvinism was and a few years 'd ago I studied it at some length but I found out that there was even a debate about it and I'm persuaded that the future is partly composed of things that are possible and not know the status possible and so. I don't buy myself with open b.s. At this point Ok. In listening to you that you have. Good scriptural reason for believing what you believe and so I had after I had been persuaded that. The few partly open and that seemed to bring coherence to. My own experience and. Made more help me make more sense of what I did find in scripture. I was yeah wondering if it was saying. That you had found that maybe because you seem to so much in line with what I already believed about these things except that. It's saying to me I would listen to you that you were an open and out of every respect except. And so. That what it was that was keeping you well being Yeah. I can be convinced that yeah I can hear it being all fixed and yeah I can appear to be something I'm not simply by the fact that I will fairly give the arguments for a position what are Believe or not because I think that when people are considering the options they ought to be supplied with a fair. Group of arguments such as are used by those who hold the position So for example I don't consider openness theology to be a danger as some people too I used to back in 1981 I was involved in a very hot debate with a an open theist and I I was you know is actually a public debate and I really thought that you know he was a heretic. And I was pretty harsh on him but in the years since then I've come to understand more of what the openness people believe it's not so much that I believe something different than I did then it's that I understand better what they believe and I don't find it so alarming I was thinking and many people do when they hear about the openness view they think that what this is saying is that God doesn't have on missions that God doesn't know everything but the Open his view is God doesn't know everything. But the future isn't a thing it's not it has not happened it doesn't exist in any realm it's it'll happen tomorrow or the next day or that whatever the future is going to happen in the future it's not it does not exist anywhere to be known it's not that there's things that God doesn't know it's simply that God knows all things in the future is not a thing yet and he'll know it when it happens that's what open to suggest so that they're not in any sense denying the omniscience of God what they're doing is they're they're adopting a different paradigm about time because many times Armenians and Calvinist believe that time is a created realm and that God lives outside of time and that God can therefore view any portion of time he wants to past present future from his vantage point outside of time the Open is people would have good reason to question whether there is a realm outside of time the bible doesn't say there is. And weather even time is up it talks as if time is a place that you can be inside or outside of or isn't time just the passage of moments the passage of events and if so then you know if God doesn't know the future that's no more strange than the fact that he doesn't know about any people walking on the earth who are 40 feet tall he doesn't know it because they don'