Then the idea is not just to have a paid community trumps gangs so it's not enough to just say here's a job that does about 80 percent of what needs to be done you know there's still the other 20 percent which is repair because gang members come to us with this disorganized attachment soothe yourself if you've never been calmed down by that significant person Hatch moment and they learn some resilience and then they redefine who they are in the world and then the world will throw at them what it will but it won't topple them because they're that that there's a task that happens and needs to be addressed in a way and it was happening then you're I have named it now yeah and but but things like that for paid therapist but I have $41.00 volunteer therapist so so in years homeys would always say oh I'm not crazy and you know and there was a stigma you know and then they'd help you to talk about all the stuff you've been through in your life and then a homie once said to me Robert De Niro and then I started hearing that and that you talk about a tipping point so I don't sense any kind of stigma which is really healthy and wonderful because they have an. Edge on being org I'm Krista Tippett on Being continuous in a foundation for a living world Fetzer envisions a world that embraces love as a Garcelle others and the natural world learn more by visiting Fetzer dot org. I'm Krista Tippett and this is On Being today with his understanding of life of service and of God which have emerged through his ministry engine programs in the u.s. I'm going to ask one more question then why don't you I've read were diagnosed with leukemia would that have been a decade ago. And so you in a less adrenaline fueled way of and. Has that change the way you move through life or even this work with the most graced moment of my life for as comfortable as so intimate and so mutual and. That I really treasure I was reading recently about the change of clothing. And but because I've had to bury so many kids I 183 boy if death is the worst thing that can happen to you brace yourself trick is to to compile a list of all of the fates that are worse than numerous to list all the things that are more powerful than the end was it after your diagnosis say you discovered this story about the Desert Fathers that it couple days ago as I was getting ready for this has been so helpful for me and didn't know how they were going to put one foot in front of the next they had this much but the word was today and that that sort of the key period here h.-e. R. T. Period this period when I'm walking or before a kid comes into my office I always say Now hear this. So I'm thinking that you've already you I am moved by your work I am and then I go back to my privileged life. In Fairfield County Co congregants what is the message back. Don't stop writing the check Ok so why buy the indulgence and then what you. Can ship everybody so exhausted by kind of the tenor of the player to right now in our country I always think of diabetes with Lazarus Davies is in hell not because he's rich parable It's not about bank accounts and heaven it's and that's kind of where we need to ensure way closer that we imagine is if you will an otherness so that we would. Dedicate our lives so beautifully is ice a question that weighs on me I think some pretty hopeless about it I mean it's an open question and at the reason we are privileged right that even you know the idea that you should we should create a circle thing where we're not trained to do is I love real kiss and the idea about holding We don't have the answer immediately before us we leave in despair and maybe we become listeners together and we start to piece is wonderful thank you stories the interaction you have with the young man on the steps in life but how much of the interaction have you had with the justice system in the penal system and I'm way can we do can be done in society the congregation as I was always testify when asked and I'm asked a lot. Because I oppose the death penalty but but I've never encountered it and I've probably done. A defendant who in my estimation was not mentally ill plea disturbed mentally ill person. No one wants you to say that the process why because then you're forced to in the face of somebody who's mentally ill because you know what happens to responsibility and he knew what he was doing and prosecutors always are created equal. And a person's ability to choose is not created equal you know somehow infusing kids with hope when they can't imagine that they can't see their way clear to transform their pain so they continue to transmit if we did those things. It's a. Long time and usually successful work with former gang members in Los Angeles since from the audience. Which one comes out I I teach in a community college on the west coast of individuals and hear stories that would cripple most of us what people me could you define what that means to you what are other people taking away from that word versus what country I was on a radio show from Chicago or a caller came in and no thought went into this at all you know that you know I mean the movie producer all I don't know want to buy this old abandoned bakery cross the street. Will call calculating will this have but in the end I'm Ok with it because it's sort of like walking in a don't know misters Sanches you know he's my math teacher I said No I don't know is soaked with kinship and you know when and if Mother Teresa says the prop and homegirl to kind of say we're connected it's a way of saying we don't and that's why the whole community and home home girls as well. And particularly impressed with you here is you also talk about prophetic in the whole areas and I recoil and you seem to have this sense of humor I often find that peace makes very little time for laughter I would like to know how the how it comes that you displayed a little bit how you got that. It's like I have dies in the process. That my joy may be in you and your joy may be complete site see those kinds of moments that teach you something about it real quickly one of my favorite actresses Annie Hall and Godfather movies and she's there with a regular guy who's there once a week Been there done that tattooed fellow parolee. She does rattles off the 3 blood deals that she really likes and dying says well have that 2nd one she goes wait a minute I I feel like I know you like like maybe we've no I suppose I have one of those faces you know that people think they've seen before and. I story absolutely took my breath away what I heard it and I don't believe we've had any further chip it's about Oscar winning actress attitudinal waitress. That God has created this other unearths so that you might bump into each other. At the beginning and I pushed back and said how hard that is that the job is to be who God is the star in your book about how when you touch on this and I go you 1st arrived in the neighborhood and eating people when they were in hospital or visiting people when they're in prison that they then acknowledge after 25 that you know God saying you visited me when I stick you have these so I think it's wonderful how you show that that is doable and we are too humble to want to take that and. I think a kind of trying to imitate the kind of god to believe in and it's natural for us to push back on that false move God And so we're not really accustomed to loving us to be disappointed in us. And that is I think the hardest thing to do is thing you can say about God. I wondered if in closing as and why you put that in your book and the fact that it's from the 14th century yeah I don't know why I put it in my book. Through my interview with Krista Tippett. You know the language at mit something everyone you see you say to them love hops. Still though think about this this great pull in us to come nigh that is always saying with that sweet moon language whatever Thank you for a while. To director of Homeboy Industries in Los Angeles His books include tattoos the power of radical kinship. 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This but with about him is up and down the oceans waves and tides. By the. Cells in the SEALs are eating all of that fish and so they call these animals not realize a symbiotic relationship imbalance. Humans are called Aus and whales dolphins and seals are killed by fishing vessel a year and yet still more they play a vital irreplaceable role in the oceanic wash cycle. So killed every day for the shock industry which equates to roughly 73000000 threatened or near threatened by extinction according to the oceanic Preservation Society species that have been around for 400000000 years their extinction would without doubt be extinct thanks to humans but it's not only the old in the mug shot with the selfe I catch poor around the globe by accident off the most so-called sustainable fishing methods of fishing pull together. Another endangered species with dwindling spawning numbers however miss a beat 1001 hope of the 40 percent losses that continues to fish these threatened species regardless. Of the planet it refused to take such action as the scarcity for bluefin tuna as journalists cost the $2.00 trillion fish taken from the sea every year for the if the meat dairy eggs in fact Sorry much fish is grating oceanic credits it was the sewage that these land animals produce have created 5000 square miles of areas completely devoid of life so any meaningful discussion agriculture which is the exact opposite of what but usually every conservation group but anyway fishing which alone makes consumers comfortably unaware about the true exploitation and cost that sustainable fishing is much Lee impossible when keeping in mind the overwhelming debt we already are to the ocean stating on marine animal populations the stripping currently shrimp make up about 2 paces every one kilogram of shrimp cool up to 20 kilograms of other animals to make many vessels a sea of talking so-called trash fish which are made up from juvenile fish from environ wild caught fish can be used to produce just Hoff a ton of shrimp which ends up in the SUV Marc. It's and rushes to replenish and sure to multiply the knock on effect of this devastation is almost avoided but all those fishermen are working several times harder than in the pause they are catching few of 50 years ago. This is led to a loss of profits increase in illegal flawed rates of slave labor as young men and women a kid up to land drug be an unconscious and take owners this is shocking to see as around 33 percent of fish coming from the us I happen to be in regions of the planet where endangered species reside or migrate to. Both control and has been linked to mass deforestation as marine research of Brian breast into Watts Water of land most days of the year you would wipe out the New Forest see better around Britain even watch the birds keep going over the same key areas. Before being slaughtered fish sometimes stunned one of the following method carbon dioxide gassing is where the fish and a war that has been saturated with carbon dogs immobile from exhaustion and lack of oxygen there is no evidence that the fish and of the ties that used to slaughter fish whether from farms or caught in the wild these include you can take some fish such as trial 10 minutes to die from this method tearing of the Go arches in the fish from the water with a hook and then forcing a spike through their brain.