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I am flying all over the place. Stahl and tonight, you will hear about groundbreaking research that may help us understand how to live a longer, healthier and happier life. Fascinating findings about dementia, the benefits of weight gain as we age, the effects of vitamins, coffee and. What about alcohol . Oh, alcohol made a difference. Moderate alcohol is associated with living longer than individuals who did not consume alcohol. Stahl and after you pour another martini, you may want to check your gym membership. Im steve kroft. Im lesley stahl. Im morley safer. Im bob simon. Im scott pelley. Those stories tonight on 60 minutes. E financial noise financial noise financial noise financial noise explaining my moderate to severe so there i was again, chronic plaque psoriasis to another new stylist. It was a total embarrassment. And not the kind of attention i wanted. So i had a serious talk with my dermatologist about my treatment options. This time, she prescribed humiraadalimumab. Humira helps to clear the surface of my skin by actually working inside my body. In clinical trials, most adults with moderate to Severe Plaque Psoriasis saw 75 skin clearance. And the majority of people were clear or almost clear in just 4 months. Humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. Serious, sometimes fatal events, such as infections, lymphoma, or other types of cancer have happened. Blood, liver and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening Heart Failure have occurred. Before starting humira, your doctor should test you for tb. Ask your doctor if you live in or have been to a region where certain fungal infections are common. Tell your doctor if you have had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have symptoms such as fever, fatigue, cough, or sores. You should not start humira if you have any kind of infection. Make the most of every moment. Ask your dermatologist about humira, today. Clearer skin is possible. Let mom shine. Thirty percent off our best gifts for mom now through sunday. At zales. We wake up thinking about it. And bake it fresh instore, every day. Its a pretty good job. With some nice fringe benefits. But we know youve been thinking about it, too. cause its the very foundation of your sandwich. We dont take that lightly. So were always trying to make it even better. Thats why we added some ingredients and took others out. We think its our best bread yet. But come in and see for yourself. Bread is on the rise at subway. I got more advice than i knew what to do with. What i needed was information i could trust on how to take care of me and my baby. Luckily, unitedhealthcare has a Simple Program that helps moms stay on track with their doctors and get the right care and guidancebefore and after the baby is born. Simple is good right now. anncr vo innovations that work for you. Thats health in numbers. Unitedhealthcare. Pelley the biggest Accidental Oil spill the world has ever seen began with the explosion, in 2010, of the deepwater horizon in the gulf of mexico. Thousands of businesses suffered along an oily arc from texas to florida. And bp, the company at fault, started paying them compensation right away. Bp said it wanted to do the right thing, and paying victims early bought the company some good will at a time that it was facing criminal charges and billions in federal fines. But now, four years later, bp says its the victim of gulf coast swindlers who have the oil giant over a barrel. Bp says it is being forced to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to people who never saw oil anywhere but on tv. The explosion was a catastrophe. 11 crew members were killed. The gusher flowed 87 days. Bp put up billions to pay compensation, and hired attorney ken feinberg to sort out who was hurt by the spill and who was not. Ken feinberg one fellow down in alabama said to me, when i asked him for proof, he said, mr. Feinberg, we do things with a handshake down here. I said, thats fine, but a handshake wont get you compensation. Pelley why is it so important to hold everyone to that standard of proof . Feinberg because therell be another catastrophe, and a catastrophe after that. What happens the next time, in terms of a companys willingness to do something similar . Pelley feinberg has long experience. He ran the Compensation Program for victims of 9 11. In the bp disaster, he told us there were often two kinds of applicants, the deserving and the devious. What was the most outrageous claim you got . Feinberg i think there was a fellow in oslo, norway, if i remember correctly, who slipped on the ice while he was filing a claim and sought damages for a broken leg. Pelley people saw money and they tried to get it. Feinberg human nature goes with the territory. I think that if you had any type of Compensation Program anywhere, you get a fair number of people who try and game the system to try and recover compensation. Pelley feinberg says, out of more than a million claims, he found only a third were justified. His critics said too many claims were being denied. So, to avoid decades of Court Battles and uncertainty, bp agreed to a more lenient Compensation Program. But now, bp Vice President geoff morell says the oil giant is getting soaked by businesses with losses that are not linked to the spill. Geoff morell were talking about a Wireless Phone Company Store that burned to the ground and shut down before the spill, an rv park owner that was foreclosed upon before the spill. And i love this one a pontiac dealer who could no longer sell pontiacs because gm had discontinued the line before the spill. Pelley those are all real examples and they are people who actually got a check . Morell those are all real examples and are, frankly, not exceptions but rather emblematic of a far larger problem. There are more than 1,000 claims just like them that had glaring red flags associated with them that should have been picked out by the claims administrator, and instead were ultimately awarded more than 500 million. Pelley thats how bp adds it up, but the new claims administrator, pat juneau, says bp is getting what it asked for. Juneaus Deepwater Horizon Claims Center replaced ken feinberg same job, new rules. Bp makes it sound like youre throwing millions of dollars away to people who have no stake in the oil spill whatsoever. Pat juneau i have an obligation as a courtappointed official by the federal court to implement what these two parties wrote. Pelley the parties are bp and, on the other side, lawyers representing victims. They negotiated a settlement with a fairly simple formula. Bp agreed to pay businesses whose income dropped after the spill and then rebounded one year later. Trouble was, some attorneys soliciting clients took that to mean any business with a loss of any kind. Your losses dont have to be directly traceable to the oil spill. Do i have to prove the oil spill directly harmed my business . The answer is no. A business does not have to prove that their loss was directly caused by that event. Morell there was a proliferation of these kinds of ads. And there was almost a pied piperlike recruitment of claimants, and compounding that problem was the fact that the claims administrator, the facility, began to pay these claims. Pelley one attorneys flyer reads, the craziest thing about the settlement is that you can be compensated for losses that are unrelated to the spill. Bps attorney ted olson has a word for that. Ted olson i think thats fraud. We want to compensate legitimate claimants, but this heres an incentive to encourage people to commit fraud, and that. That is wrong. Pelley so bp launched its own ad campaign, which pointed to 60,000 that went to colorectal surgeons 300 miles from the coast, and 173,000 paid to an Escort Service in florida. Bp also claims 8 million was approved for companies that clean up after hurricanes. Their income was down after the spill because there were no hurricanes that made landfall that year. Pat juneau, the claims administrator, told us that he questioned the eligibility formula at the start, because it didnt require proof of a link to the spill. He asked bp about that. And bp replied in the court record that if the numbers fit the formula, all losses are presumed to be attributable to the oil spill, even if the decline was wholly unrelated to the oil spill. With that, juneau decided that if a business lost money, he was not allowed to ask why. Jim roy its a black and white formula, a deal is a deal. Pelley jim roy is a lawyer for the victims. He helped negotiate the eligibility formula with bp. Roy well, i think bp has buyers remorse. Bp told the court that it believed that this was going to be a 7. 8 billion settlement. But i think its going to be considerably more than the amount of money that bp said it was going to cost. Pelley we called more than a dozen of the applicants that bp says took unfair advantage of the deal, but all of them declined to be interviewed. Do you think that might be because theyre feeling sort of sheepish about receiving that check . Roy no, i think there are two things going on. I think, one, most of these businesses understand that they want their lives to stay private. And number two, the last thing they want is to go on 60 minutes with scott pelley to broadcast anything about them personally. Pelley but there could be another reason on the claim form that applicants sign under penalty of perjury, it says that they assert Economic Loss due to the spill. Bp lawyer ted olson says it shouldnt matter that the formula to calculate the loss doesnt consider the cause. Olson you had to have been hurt by the oil spill. Pelley bps accounting expert, holly sharp, testified in 2012 that once a business meets the formula, all losses are presumed to be caused by the spill with no analysis required to determine whether the declines might have been due, at least in part, to other causes. I mean, it just seems that thats what bp agreed to. You made your bed, and now youre lying in it. Olson the part that you just quoted for me started off with, once you meet the formula. The formula is that, first of all, you have to establish that you were injured as a result of this. Otherwise, anyone can walk in and say, i had a bad year. Pay me money. Pelley and thats exactly whats happening. Olson thats exactly whats happening. Pelley the front page of the Settlement Claim form says, the claim is for those that assert Economic Loss due to the spill. What does due to the spill mean to you . Roy caused. But if they qualify, whatever that calculation is, they should be paid. You may, in hindsight, judge that just doesnt seem right. I may judge in hindsight, although i dont, that that just doesnt seem right. But thats the deal bp asked for; thats the deal bp got. And the deal bp got was for the entire states of mississippi, louisiana and alabama. Pelley claims administrator pat juneau is rejecting about 40 of claims when companies cant prove an Economic Loss of some kind. But he has approved more than 3 billion in claims so far, so, in a nutshell, if theyve got the right numbers, they get a check . Juneau im obliged to pay. Honor and pay those claims. Pelley bp essentially is saying that youre facilitating fraud. Juneau i have never in my life. Im 76 years old, ive been to a lot of rodeos in my life. I dont facilitate fraud. Fraud offends me. Pelley but doesnt this do violence to common sense when youre paying claims to people who have no loss associated with the spill . How could that possibly be the intent of the agreement . Juneau you do understand that i wasnt there when these parties agreed to this agreement. And thats what they agreed to. Morell but no company would ever agree to a settlement that compensates people who were not harmed by their actions, and we most certainly did not agree to such a settlement. Roy bp doesnt like the deal it cut now. Im sorry about that. I cant help that. But i was in the room when this section of the deal was negotiated. Others on our team were there, too. Thats what we saw and heard, no doubt about it. Pelley the battle, of course, is in the federal courts. Bp has won a few on the size of some of the checks. But its lost every attempt to reinterpret the formula that decides who is eligible. Here in new orleans, one federal judge said that bp was essentially trying to rewrite the deal. A federal appeals judge said that there was nothing fundamentally unreasonable about the deal that bp agreed to but now wishes it had not. Bp is now asking the Appeals Court for one more hearing. Is this a matter of bps attorneys just having been hoodwinked . You accepted a deal without fully realizing what it meant, and now youre stuck with it . Olson no one could have anticipated that the system would go completely off the tracks, but thats why you have appellate courts. And thats why we have the supreme court. Bp will take this as far as it is necessary to go to make sure that this Settlement Agreement is construed properly. Pelley did you guys take bp to the cleaners on this . Roy no, sir. Bp got a good settlement. And bp was represented by very, very good lawyers who were worthy adversaries, who fought tooth and nail for their client. And it was a hardfought settlement. Their own lawyer said it was a very generous settlement. Pelley thats not what theyre saying now. Therere saying its a little too generous. Roy it is what it is. Pelley now, bp complains it feels like its the visiting Team Fighting a Home Field Advantage along a gulf coast that remembers vividly scenes like this. Juneau if the inference is that were giving preferential treatment and putting the screws to somebody here myself or this court thats grossly untrue. Its offensive, certainly offensive to me. And it shouldnt be said and it has no place in this litigation. Pelley the trouble with the litigation now is that all compensation checks to businesses, whether deserving or otherwise, have been stopped while bp continues its appeals. Lley heard from an Oil Rig Worker who survived the blast. Go 60minutesovertime. Com sponsored by lyrica. Like thousands of needles s. It was progressively getting worse, and at that point i knew i had to do something. Once i started taking the lyrica the pain started subsiding. [ male announcer ] its known that diabetes damages nerves. Lyrica is fda approved to treat diabetic nerve pain. Lyrica is not for everyone. It may cause serious allergic reactions or suicidal thoughts or actions. Tell your doctor right away if you have these, new or worsening depression, or unusual changes in mood or behavior. Or swelling, trouble breathing, rash, hives, blisters, changes in eyesight including blurry vision, muscle pain with fever, tired feeling, or skin sores from diabetes. Common side effects are dizziness, sleepiness, weight gain and swelling of hands, legs and feet. Dont drink alcohol while taking lyrica. Dont drive or use machinery until you know how lyrica affects you. Those who have had a drug or alcohol problem may be more likely to misuse lyrica. Ask your doctor about lyrica today. Its specific treatment for diabetic nerve pain. You stand behind what you say. Theres a saying around here, around here you dont make excuses. You make commitments. And when you cant live up to them, you own up, and make it right. Some people think the kind of accountability that thrives on so many streets in this country has gone missing in the places where its needed most. But i know youll still find it when you know where to look. announcer tidy cats lightweight. With a clumping litter this light and just as strong at neutralizing odor, youll want to say. woman hey toss me that litter announcer tidy cats lightweight. All the strength, half the weight. vo average. Its out there, convincing you that one donut hole couldnt possibly lead to another. vo average sets the treadmill on mosey. Or stroll. Or loiter. vo average. Has memory issues. man i forgot to work out. I forgot to work out. vo . And memory issues. man my workout. vo but average is average. You can beat it. And it starts at gnc. Still fits. [ mother ] no. Wait until the kids see this. Your fathers taking art classes. Is this mrs. Adler from next door . It is. You can ring my bell [ male announcer ] sometimes you just need to spice things up. Ring my bell. Ring my bell. [ male announcer ] new oscar mayer deli fresh bold. Made with 100 turkey breast, no artificial preservatives and real cajun spices. Its spice it up food. Its oscar mayer. Its spice it up food. Stahl its always been a dream of mankind to live forever. Since the start of the 20th century, we have increased Life Expectancy in this country by a remarkable 30 years from just 49 in 1900 to almost 79 today. And more and more of us are making it into that group we all hope, and kind of dread, joining, the over90 crowd, affectionately dubbed the oldest old. Men and women above the age of 90 are now the fastestgrowing segment of the u. S. Population. Yet very little is known about the oldest old, since, until recently, there were so few of them. So what determines which of us will make it past age 90 . What kind of shape well be in if we do . And what can we do to up our odds . Finding out is the goal of a groundbreaking Research Study known as 90plus. Jane whistler i was born on april 21, 1914. Ted rosenbaum my birthday is february 7, 1918. Lou tirado i was born on august 25, 1920, and im 93 plus. Ruthy stahl june 15, 1918, and it was, im sure, a lovely day. Stahl do you feel 95 . What do you. What age do you feel . Ruthy stahl i feel about 52. laughs not really. Stahl what they have in common, other than having lived a combined total of almost 400 years, is that, decades ago, they all lived in a Retirement Community called Leisure World 45 miles south of los angeles. Hi, there, and welcome to Leisure World, a new way of life designed for alert and active people 52 years and older who want to get the most out of life. Stahl today, its still a Retirement Community, and theyre still getting the most out of life, though its no longer called Leisure World. Its now its own city, laguna woods. Claudia kawas they didnt like the words Severe Plaque Psoriasis<\/a> saw 75 skin clearance. And the majority of people were clear or almost clear in just 4 months. Humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. Serious, sometimes fatal events, such as infections, lymphoma, or other types of cancer have happened. Blood, liver and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening Heart Failure<\/a> have occurred. Before starting humira, your doctor should test you for tb. Ask your doctor if you live in or have been to a region where certain fungal infections are common. Tell your doctor if you have had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have symptoms such as fever, fatigue, cough, or sores. You should not start humira if you have any kind of infection. Make the most of every moment. Ask your dermatologist about humira, today. Clearer skin is possible. Let mom shine. Thirty percent off our best gifts for mom now through sunday. At zales. We wake up thinking about it. And bake it fresh instore, every day. Its a pretty good job. With some nice fringe benefits. But we know youve been thinking about it, too. cause its the very foundation of your sandwich. We dont take that lightly. So were always trying to make it even better. Thats why we added some ingredients and took others out. We think its our best bread yet. But come in and see for yourself. Bread is on the rise at subway. I got more advice than i knew what to do with. What i needed was information i could trust on how to take care of me and my baby. Luckily, unitedhealthcare has a Simple Program<\/a> that helps moms stay on track with their doctors and get the right care and guidancebefore and after the baby is born. Simple is good right now. anncr vo innovations that work for you. Thats health in numbers. Unitedhealthcare. Pelley the biggest Accidental Oil<\/a> spill the world has ever seen began with the explosion, in 2010, of the deepwater horizon in the gulf of mexico. Thousands of businesses suffered along an oily arc from texas to florida. And bp, the company at fault, started paying them compensation right away. Bp said it wanted to do the right thing, and paying victims early bought the company some good will at a time that it was facing criminal charges and billions in federal fines. But now, four years later, bp says its the victim of gulf coast swindlers who have the oil giant over a barrel. Bp says it is being forced to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to people who never saw oil anywhere but on tv. The explosion was a catastrophe. 11 crew members were killed. The gusher flowed 87 days. Bp put up billions to pay compensation, and hired attorney ken feinberg to sort out who was hurt by the spill and who was not. Ken feinberg one fellow down in alabama said to me, when i asked him for proof, he said, mr. Feinberg, we do things with a handshake down here. I said, thats fine, but a handshake wont get you compensation. Pelley why is it so important to hold everyone to that standard of proof . Feinberg because therell be another catastrophe, and a catastrophe after that. What happens the next time, in terms of a companys willingness to do something similar . Pelley feinberg has long experience. He ran the Compensation Program<\/a> for victims of 9 11. In the bp disaster, he told us there were often two kinds of applicants, the deserving and the devious. What was the most outrageous claim you got . Feinberg i think there was a fellow in oslo, norway, if i remember correctly, who slipped on the ice while he was filing a claim and sought damages for a broken leg. Pelley people saw money and they tried to get it. Feinberg human nature goes with the territory. I think that if you had any type of Compensation Program<\/a> anywhere, you get a fair number of people who try and game the system to try and recover compensation. Pelley feinberg says, out of more than a million claims, he found only a third were justified. His critics said too many claims were being denied. So, to avoid decades of Court Battles<\/a> and uncertainty, bp agreed to a more lenient Compensation Program<\/a>. But now, bp Vice President<\/a> geoff morell says the oil giant is getting soaked by businesses with losses that are not linked to the spill. Geoff morell were talking about a Wireless Phone<\/a> Company Store<\/a> that burned to the ground and shut down before the spill, an rv park owner that was foreclosed upon before the spill. And i love this one a pontiac dealer who could no longer sell pontiacs because gm had discontinued the line before the spill. Pelley those are all real examples and they are people who actually got a check . Morell those are all real examples and are, frankly, not exceptions but rather emblematic of a far larger problem. There are more than 1,000 claims just like them that had glaring red flags associated with them that should have been picked out by the claims administrator, and instead were ultimately awarded more than 500 million. Pelley thats how bp adds it up, but the new claims administrator, pat juneau, says bp is getting what it asked for. Juneaus Deepwater Horizon Claims Center<\/a> replaced ken feinberg same job, new rules. Bp makes it sound like youre throwing millions of dollars away to people who have no stake in the oil spill whatsoever. Pat juneau i have an obligation as a courtappointed official by the federal court to implement what these two parties wrote. Pelley the parties are bp and, on the other side, lawyers representing victims. They negotiated a settlement with a fairly simple formula. Bp agreed to pay businesses whose income dropped after the spill and then rebounded one year later. Trouble was, some attorneys soliciting clients took that to mean any business with a loss of any kind. Your losses dont have to be directly traceable to the oil spill. Do i have to prove the oil spill directly harmed my business . The answer is no. A business does not have to prove that their loss was directly caused by that event. Morell there was a proliferation of these kinds of ads. And there was almost a pied piperlike recruitment of claimants, and compounding that problem was the fact that the claims administrator, the facility, began to pay these claims. Pelley one attorneys flyer reads, the craziest thing about the settlement is that you can be compensated for losses that are unrelated to the spill. Bps attorney ted olson has a word for that. Ted olson i think thats fraud. We want to compensate legitimate claimants, but this heres an incentive to encourage people to commit fraud, and that. That is wrong. Pelley so bp launched its own ad campaign, which pointed to 60,000 that went to colorectal surgeons 300 miles from the coast, and 173,000 paid to an Escort Service<\/a> in florida. Bp also claims 8 million was approved for companies that clean up after hurricanes. Their income was down after the spill because there were no hurricanes that made landfall that year. Pat juneau, the claims administrator, told us that he questioned the eligibility formula at the start, because it didnt require proof of a link to the spill. He asked bp about that. And bp replied in the court record that if the numbers fit the formula, all losses are presumed to be attributable to the oil spill, even if the decline was wholly unrelated to the oil spill. With that, juneau decided that if a business lost money, he was not allowed to ask why. Jim roy its a black and white formula, a deal is a deal. Pelley jim roy is a lawyer for the victims. He helped negotiate the eligibility formula with bp. Roy well, i think bp has buyers remorse. Bp told the court that it believed that this was going to be a 7. 8 billion settlement. But i think its going to be considerably more than the amount of money that bp said it was going to cost. Pelley we called more than a dozen of the applicants that bp says took unfair advantage of the deal, but all of them declined to be interviewed. Do you think that might be because theyre feeling sort of sheepish about receiving that check . Roy no, i think there are two things going on. I think, one, most of these businesses understand that they want their lives to stay private. And number two, the last thing they want is to go on 60 minutes with scott pelley to broadcast anything about them personally. Pelley but there could be another reason on the claim form that applicants sign under penalty of perjury, it says that they assert Economic Loss<\/a> due to the spill. Bp lawyer ted olson says it shouldnt matter that the formula to calculate the loss doesnt consider the cause. Olson you had to have been hurt by the oil spill. Pelley bps accounting expert, holly sharp, testified in 2012 that once a business meets the formula, all losses are presumed to be caused by the spill with no analysis required to determine whether the declines might have been due, at least in part, to other causes. I mean, it just seems that thats what bp agreed to. You made your bed, and now youre lying in it. Olson the part that you just quoted for me started off with, once you meet the formula. The formula is that, first of all, you have to establish that you were injured as a result of this. Otherwise, anyone can walk in and say, i had a bad year. Pay me money. Pelley and thats exactly whats happening. Olson thats exactly whats happening. Pelley the front page of the Settlement Claim<\/a> form says, the claim is for those that assert Economic Loss<\/a> due to the spill. What does due to the spill mean to you . Roy caused. But if they qualify, whatever that calculation is, they should be paid. You may, in hindsight, judge that just doesnt seem right. I may judge in hindsight, although i dont, that that just doesnt seem right. But thats the deal bp asked for; thats the deal bp got. And the deal bp got was for the entire states of mississippi, louisiana and alabama. Pelley claims administrator pat juneau is rejecting about 40 of claims when companies cant prove an Economic Loss<\/a> of some kind. But he has approved more than 3 billion in claims so far, so, in a nutshell, if theyve got the right numbers, they get a check . Juneau im obliged to pay. Honor and pay those claims. Pelley bp essentially is saying that youre facilitating fraud. Juneau i have never in my life. Im 76 years old, ive been to a lot of rodeos in my life. I dont facilitate fraud. Fraud offends me. Pelley but doesnt this do violence to common sense when youre paying claims to people who have no loss associated with the spill . How could that possibly be the intent of the agreement . Juneau you do understand that i wasnt there when these parties agreed to this agreement. And thats what they agreed to. Morell but no company would ever agree to a settlement that compensates people who were not harmed by their actions, and we most certainly did not agree to such a settlement. Roy bp doesnt like the deal it cut now. Im sorry about that. I cant help that. But i was in the room when this section of the deal was negotiated. Others on our team were there, too. Thats what we saw and heard, no doubt about it. Pelley the battle, of course, is in the federal courts. Bp has won a few on the size of some of the checks. But its lost every attempt to reinterpret the formula that decides who is eligible. Here in new orleans, one federal judge said that bp was essentially trying to rewrite the deal. A federal appeals judge said that there was nothing fundamentally unreasonable about the deal that bp agreed to but now wishes it had not. Bp is now asking the Appeals Court<\/a> for one more hearing. Is this a matter of bps attorneys just having been hoodwinked . You accepted a deal without fully realizing what it meant, and now youre stuck with it . Olson no one could have anticipated that the system would go completely off the tracks, but thats why you have appellate courts. And thats why we have the supreme court. Bp will take this as far as it is necessary to go to make sure that this Settlement Agreement<\/a> is construed properly. Pelley did you guys take bp to the cleaners on this . Roy no, sir. Bp got a good settlement. And bp was represented by very, very good lawyers who were worthy adversaries, who fought tooth and nail for their client. And it was a hardfought settlement. Their own lawyer said it was a very generous settlement. Pelley thats not what theyre saying now. Therere saying its a little too generous. Roy it is what it is. Pelley now, bp complains it feels like its the visiting Team Fighting<\/a> a Home Field Advantage<\/a> along a gulf coast that remembers vividly scenes like this. Juneau if the inference is that were giving preferential treatment and putting the screws to somebody here myself or this court thats grossly untrue. Its offensive, certainly offensive to me. And it shouldnt be said and it has no place in this litigation. Pelley the trouble with the litigation now is that all compensation checks to businesses, whether deserving or otherwise, have been stopped while bp continues its appeals. Lley heard from an Oil Rig Worker<\/a> who survived the blast. Go 60minutesovertime. Com sponsored by lyrica. Like thousands of needles s. It was progressively getting worse, and at that point i knew i had to do something. Once i started taking the lyrica the pain started subsiding. [ male announcer ] its known that diabetes damages nerves. Lyrica is fda approved to treat diabetic nerve pain. Lyrica is not for everyone. It may cause serious allergic reactions or suicidal thoughts or actions. Tell your doctor right away if you have these, new or worsening depression, or unusual changes in mood or behavior. Or swelling, trouble breathing, rash, hives, blisters, changes in eyesight including blurry vision, muscle pain with fever, tired feeling, or skin sores from diabetes. Common side effects are dizziness, sleepiness, weight gain and swelling of hands, legs and feet. Dont drink alcohol while taking lyrica. Dont drive or use machinery until you know how lyrica affects you. Those who have had a drug or alcohol problem may be more likely to misuse lyrica. Ask your doctor about lyrica today. Its specific treatment for diabetic nerve pain. You stand behind what you say. Theres a saying around here, around here you dont make excuses. You make commitments. And when you cant live up to them, you own up, and make it right. Some people think the kind of accountability that thrives on so many streets in this country has gone missing in the places where its needed most. But i know youll still find it when you know where to look. announcer tidy cats lightweight. With a clumping litter this light and just as strong at neutralizing odor, youll want to say. woman hey toss me that litter announcer tidy cats lightweight. All the strength, half the weight. vo average. Its out there, convincing you that one donut hole couldnt possibly lead to another. vo average sets the treadmill on mosey. Or stroll. Or loiter. vo average. Has memory issues. man i forgot to work out. I forgot to work out. vo . And memory issues. man my workout. vo but average is average. You can beat it. And it starts at gnc. Still fits. [ mother ] no. Wait until the kids see this. Your fathers taking art classes. Is this mrs. Adler from next door . It is. You can ring my bell [ male announcer ] sometimes you just need to spice things up. Ring my bell. Ring my bell. [ male announcer ] new oscar mayer deli fresh bold. Made with 100 turkey breast, no artificial preservatives and real cajun spices. Its spice it up food. Its oscar mayer. Its spice it up food. Stahl its always been a dream of mankind to live forever. Since the start of the 20th century, we have increased Life Expectancy<\/a> in this country by a remarkable 30 years from just 49 in 1900 to almost 79 today. And more and more of us are making it into that group we all hope, and kind of dread, joining, the over90 crowd, affectionately dubbed the oldest old. Men and women above the age of 90 are now the fastestgrowing segment of the u. S. Population. Yet very little is known about the oldest old, since, until recently, there were so few of them. So what determines which of us will make it past age 90 . What kind of shape well be in if we do . And what can we do to up our odds . Finding out is the goal of a groundbreaking Research Study<\/a> known as 90plus. Jane whistler i was born on april 21, 1914. Ted rosenbaum my birthday is february 7, 1918. Lou tirado i was born on august 25, 1920, and im 93 plus. Ruthy stahl june 15, 1918, and it was, im sure, a lovely day. Stahl do you feel 95 . What do you. What age do you feel . Ruthy stahl i feel about 52. laughs not really. Stahl what they have in common, other than having lived a combined total of almost 400 years, is that, decades ago, they all lived in a Retirement Community<\/a> called Leisure World<\/a> 45 miles south of los angeles. Hi, there, and welcome to Leisure World<\/a>, a new way of life designed for alert and active people 52 years and older who want to get the most out of life. Stahl today, its still a Retirement Community<\/a>, and theyre still getting the most out of life, though its no longer called Leisure World<\/a>. Its now its own city, laguna woods. Claudia kawas they didnt like the words Leisure World<\/a>. laughs they consider themselves active. Stahl active world. Kawas active world. Stahl dr. Claudia kawas spends a lot of time in laguna woods these days. Shes a neurologist and professor at nearby u. C. Irvine, who discovered the research equivalent of gold here information gathered from thousands of Leisure World<\/a> residents back in 1981, with page after page of data about their diet, exercise, vitamins, and activities. Kawas 14,000 people answered this questionnaire in 1981. Stahl 14,000. Kawas many of them, if they were still alive, would now be over the age of 90. Stahl she saw a rare opportunity to study what worked and what didnt. So you. Did you try to find them . Kawas we went after all 14,000. And if they were still alive, we wanted to find where they were. Stahl with 6 million of funding from the National Institutes<\/a> of health, kawas and her team set out to find out who had died, when they died, and to convince those who were still living and over 90 to sign up. Kawas and youre how old now . Whistler ill be 100 in three months. Kawas were going to have to have a party. Whistler good laughs i love a party. Stahl Jane Whistler<\/a> is one of the more than 1,600 men and women they found and enrolled as subjects in the 90plus study. They are checked from top to bottom every six months their facial muscles. Reflexes. Balance. How they walk. How fast they can stand up and sit down. And most importantly, how their minds are working. Im going to say and show you three words for you to remember. Shirt. Brown. Honesty. Whistler shirt. Brown. Honesty. Perfect. Now, please spell world. Stahl they are given an hourlong battery of cognitive and memory tests. Good. Now, spell world backwards. Whistler dlrow. Stahl . Asked to connect letters and numbers. Stahl . And to remember. All right. What three words did i ask you to remember earlier . Whistler brown. Shirt. You want a little hint . Whistler yeah. Okay. Was that word honesty, charity. Whistler honesty. Yes. Stahl when its time for your exams in the 90plus study, do you look forward to it or. Whistler sure. Stahl do you ever say, oh, theyre going to find something or, im not going to be able to do as well as i did last time . Whistler oh yeah, i think that. Sure. Stahl you do. Whistler but that doesnt stop me. I think its. I think its fun. Tirado shirt, brown, honesty. Stahl we were struck by what great shape many of the study participants are in, like lou tirado, a world war ii b17 gunner who was shot down near berlin and spent eight months as a german p. O. W. And sid shero, another world war ii veteran, who came to talk to us despite having suffered a stroke just a few weeks earlier that slurred his speech. Sid shero i am 92 years old and going strong. Stahl sid drives his car to his test sessions. You drive a convertible . Shero yes. Stahl you want the girls to look at you. Shero they call it a chick car. Stahl sid, a widower, works out at the fitness center, keeps up with the news, and the ladies. So, youre a bachelor. Shero yes. Stahl do you date . Shero yes. Stahl do you have a rich social life . Shero yes. Stahl is it fun . Shero yes. Very much so. And i hope to last a long time. Stahl but, of course, not everyone is so lucky. When participants like louise bigelow, age 97, are too frail to come in for testing, the testers go to them. An orange and a banana are alike because theyre both. Louise bigelow yellow. Stahl louise remembers events from long ago, like when her bridal veil caught fire a few minutes after this photo was taken. Bigelow it went right into the flames of the candles. So i always had a lot of excitement all the time. laughter and that was the beginning. Stahl youre not going to forget that ever. Bigelow no. Stahl but when it comes to recent memories and thinking skills, she struggles more and more. And in what way are laughing and crying alike . Bigelow i dont know. Ruthy stahl brown, honesty, and, uh. Shirt. Stahl the testers go to 95 yearold ruthy stahls home, too. They go not because she cant come to them, she just doesnt have time. Ruthy stahl im in my car more than im in the house, i think, because i. I do so many things. Stahl what do you do . Ruthy stahl i am flying all over the place. Stahl flying, as in speed walking three miles almost every day. Ruthy stahl on sunday, its only two miles. laughs stahl are you on the computer . Ruthy stahl yes, i am. But im having trouble with my computer. Whistler i had a computer for ten years and enjoyed it, but it died. Stahl jane outlived her computer. At almost 100, shes done a lot of outliving. Whistler we were all bridge players. Wed play bridge and have dinner, and we had a lot of fun. Stahl have some of them died . Whistler theyve all died. Stahl theyve all died. Whistler every one. Stahl oh, my goodness. Whistler im the only one left. Stahl so what was it that got these people into their 90s. Kawas so youve never had a stroke. Whistler no. Stahl . While their spouses, friends, and colleagues. Kawas never had hardly anything. Stahl . Dropped out along the way . Kawas whats your secret . Whistler i wish i knew. Stahl genes clearly contribute to longevity, says kawas, but they arent everything. Jane whistlers parents both died when she was young. Kawas well, whatever your secrets are, by being in the study, were going to try to find them out. Stahl so you can go back and look at their medical history . Kawas everybody in the study filled out that questionnaire in the early 1980s. Stahl and comparing that data to how its all turned out has yielded a slew of published findings about behaviors associated with living longer. So, whats the verdict . No surprise smokers died earlier than nonsmokers. And what about exercise . Kawas people who exercised definitely lived longer than people who didnt exercise. As little as 15 minutes a day, on average, made a difference. 45 was the best. Even three hours didnt beat 45 minutes a day. Stahl oh, wow. Thats interesting. Kawas and it didnt all have to be at once. It could be, for example, 15 minutes of walking, and then later in the day, gardening or something. And it also didnt have to be very intense exercise. Stahl and nonphysical activities book clubs, socializing with friends, board games all good. Kawas for every hour you spent doing activities in 1981, you increased your longevity, and the benefit of those things never leveled off. Stahl the subjects we spoke to had definitely been active, but they didnt strike us as having lived their lives worrying about their health. Whistler im not a big vitamin person. Stahl have you watched, over the years, what you ate . Tirado not. Not really. Stahl dessert . Whistler sure. I love dessert. Ruthy stahl i always had a glass of wine before dinner. And now, i still do, but i cant quite finish it. Stahl clean living, huh . Shero no. Stahl no . Not clean living. Shero i dont know what clean living is. Stahl what about alcohol . Whistler sure, i love wine. Stahl do you take vitamins . Shero yes. A lot of them. Stahl so, which vitamins helped . Antioxidants . Okay, vitamin e. We. Were sitting at the edge of our chairs. Does it. Did it make a difference, vitamin e . Kawas it wasmy favorite, but uhuh. Stahl no . Kawas people who took vitamin e didnt live any longer than people who didnt take vitamin e. Stahl they also looked at vitamin a, c, and calcium. Kawas the short answer is none of them made a difference. Stahl none of them made a difference to living a long life . Kawas . In terms of how long you live. Stahl what about alcohol . Kawas oh, alcohol made a difference. Stahl but it may not be what you think. Kawas moderate alcohol was associated with living longer than individuals who did not consume alcohol. Stahl wait a minute moderate alcohol, you live longer . Kawas yes. Stahl up to two drinks a day led to a 10 to 15 reduced risk of death compared to non drinkers. Whistler isnt that exciting . laughter stahl and any kind of alcohol seemed to do the trick. Kawas a lot of people like to say its only red wine. In our hands, it didnt seem to matter. Stahl martinis just as good. Kawas yeah. And theres good news for coffee drinkers. Caffeine intake equivalent to one to three cups of coffee a day was better than more or none. And if youre concerned about those bulging waistlines, listen to this. Kawas it turns out that the best thing to do as you age is to at least maintain or even gain weight. Stahl gain weight . Kawas uhhuh, really. Stahl so being a little overweight is. Is good . Kawas being obese is never good. Stahl and being overweight as a young person wasnt good, either. But late in life, they found people who were overweight or average weight both outlived people who were underweight. Kawas its not good to be skinny when youre old. Stahl but living a long time, even if we dont have to watch our waistlines, isnt the only thing most of us care about. We want to be all there to enjoy it. And its in the areas of alzheimers and dementia that the 90plus study is generating some of its most provocative and surprising findings. Well tell you about that, and one more thing romance after 90. Hows your sex life . laughter you brought it up . When we come back. Cbs money watch update sponsored by lincoln financial. Calling all chief life officers. Good evening. 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While thats good news for those of us who want to stick around, it also means more time, literally, to start to lose our minds. Dementia, including that most dreaded form, alzheimers disease, is a looming threat, and a primary focus of the 90 plus study. Participants are asked to donate their brains to the study after they die, so researchers can compare what they saw in life to the secrets buried deep within. And the picture isnt always matching up, bringing new discoveries and new questions about what may actually be causing dementia in the oldest old, and what we may be able to do about it. You know, i think that it was common belief that if you got to 90 and you didnt have dementia or alzheimers, that you werent going to get it. Kawas unfortunately, no. I really, really expected to find that. But in our study, thats not to happen. Stahl its not true. Kawas no. Stahl it turns out the risk of developing dementia doubles every five years, starting at the age of 65, and it keeps right on doubling. And given the growth in numbers of the oldest old by mid century. Kawas we are going to have more people with dementia over the age of 90 than we currently have at all ages put together. Stahl and were not even thinking about it. Kawas we should be. Stahl as charming and engaging as all the 90plusers we met were, one who we were particularly moved by was 96 yearold ted rosenbaum, a former American History<\/a> teacher whos been married for 63 years. Ted rosenbaum i was very lucky. So now, at this stage of the game, if its petering out, just reminiscing about our past is a source of incalculable joy. An orange and a banana are alike because theyre both. . Rosenbaum fruits. Stahl ted did well on parts of the 90plus exam, like repeating long strings of numbers backwards. Six, one, eight, four, three. Rosenbaum three, four, eight, one, six. Stahl but when it came time to remember the three words she had told him just 40 seconds earlier. Rosenbaum three words. Give me a hint. Stahl . He was lost. And that wasnt his only problem. What is todays date . Rosenbaum todays date . Uhhuh. Rosenbaum todays date . Stahl does he have dementia, at this point . Kawas yes. Ted has dementia. Stahl he does. Kawas you know, unfortunately theres no blood test, theres no xray. Its an examiner finding out that an individual has problems in two or more of the main things that brain does for them. So thats where he is. Stahl and whats perhaps the most devastating is he knows it. Rosenbaum my worst condition is my memory. Stahl when you cant remember something, what goes on inside you . Rosenbaum terrible frustration and terrible. You know, its. Its having more and more of a negative impact on me, psychologically. Stahl determining whats behind his memory loss isnt easy, since diseases like alzheimers can only be definitively diagnosed in the brain after death. So its after the 90plusers die that a new round of sleuthing begins. When subjects in the study donate their brains, they come here to neuropathologist dr. Ronald kim. He showed us one of the things he always looks for, the plaques and tangles in the brain that are the telltale signs of alzheimers disease. Ronald kim it forms all of these plaques. Stahl all these brown spots are plaques . Kim yes. Are plaques, thats correct. And in an individual like this, i would expect the patient to be demented. Do you read newspapers every day . Loring bigelow yes, i read them in the evening. Stahl Loring Bigelow<\/a> spent five years in the study. He passed away last summer, and while dr. Kim studies his brain, the rest of the 90plus team independently reviews years of his test results and videos to assess whether he had developed dementia, and if so, from what . While early on, his scores were strong. Who is our president . Loring bigelow obama. Stahl over the years, there was a gradual but unmistakable decline. Hed pick up a newspaper he had just finished, use the tv remote to try and make a phone call. Do you know who is the president . Loring bigelow i want to say herbert hoover. laughs i cant think of it. Could not remember his age, anxious. Stahl the consensus here was likely alzheimers, which presumes a brain with plaques and tangles. Kawas are we ready to hear the truth . Stahl only then do they open up dr. Kims report. Plaques, zero. So, no plaques. Oh, okay. Ah. Kawas wow no plaques. No cortical tangles anywhere. Kawas pretty amazing. Stahl whats amazing is theyre finding that 40 of the time in people over 90, what doctors would think is alzheimers isnt. In Loring Bigelow<\/a>s brain, dr. Kim found something else, something the 90plus study is finding quite a bit evidence of tiny, microscopic strokes called microinfarcts. His brain was full of them. Kim here is a microinfarct. Its the hole. Stahl oh, right here. Kim . Which is basically a tiny stroke. Kawas so youve got all this tissue is missing. Kim if you find one, it suggests that you should probably look for others. And some patients may have hundreds or thousands of them. Stahl these microscopic strokes are insidious because people dont even know theyre having them. Kim they can be totally silent. And slowly but surely, over time, youre picking off. Youre disconnecting your cortex from the rest of the brain, and then you start to become demented. It can look just like alzheimers disease, clinically. Stahl do you know anything we can do to prevent these mini strokes . Kawas i wish i did. But i will soon, i hope. Stahl kawas suspects one thing that may cause them is low Blood Pressure<\/a>, and she has some evidence. While none of the factors from the original Leisure World<\/a> study vitamins, alcohol, caffeine, even exercise seemed to lower peoples risk of getting dementia, the 90plus study discovered that high Blood Pressure<\/a> did. Kawas if you have high Blood Pressure<\/a>, it looks like your risk of dementia is lower than if you dont have high Blood Pressure<\/a>. Stahl lower . Wait high Blood Pressure<\/a>, lower risk of dementia . Kawas in a 90yearold. Stahl high Blood Pressure<\/a> is still dangerous if youre younger, yet another reason she says its so important to study the oldest old. Kawas most of what we know, we study in much younger individuals in 50, 60, maybe 70yearolds. And then, we just kind of assume that the same thing should happen in older people. Stahl and youre saying we shouldnt . Kawas i think we shouldnt. Take this next counterintuitive finding this time, in the 90 plus subjects who have no dementia. Kawas were finding out that if you die without dementia in this age group, about half the time, you still have plaques and tangles in your head. Stahl no . So you can exhibit alzheimers and not have plaques and tangles half the time, and the reverse. Kawas both directions. Stahl . Youre fine and you do have plaques and tangles . So what do you make of that . Kawas i mean, one possibility is that plaques and tangles have nothing to do with it. But it might be that plaques and tangles are very, very important, but just a 90year old who has them and didnt develop thinking problems has some way of getting around them that maybe all the rest of us would like to know. Stahl so now, theyre looking at people with no signs of dementia like ruthy stahl, lou tirado, sid shero, and Jane Whistler<\/a> to see if they have plaques and tangles, but are not affected by them. Theres a new type of p. E. T. Scan that, for the first time, makes it possible to find plaques during life, so the 90 plus study is engaged in the delicate task of putting 99 yearolds like Jane Whistler<\/a> into scanners. Sid shero, at 92, hopped right in. Kawas jane and sid both have very, very, very good thinking, as you saw. Stahl yes, definitely. Kawas and it turns out that one of their scans is positive and one is negative. Stahl she showed them to us one on top of the other. Yellow and red indicate the presence of amyloid plaque. Kawas so this is miss whistler, and this is mr. Shero. Stahl well, im surprised, having talked to him, that im seeing yellow and red here. Kind of stunning. So, what does that mean for sid . The positive scan means, statistically, hes at greater risk of cognitive decline, but kawas says the fact hes doing so well, in spite of the plaque in his brain and his stroke, means he may have that something protective and special that could help the rest of us. She says theyll be keeping a close watch on him. If its unclear that the pathology hooks up with what youre seeing, what does that mean, in your mind . Kawas i think were looking for too simple an answer. I think we want one thing to explain alzheimers. Look at something different, like what makes skin wrinkle. Well, i mean, getting older makes skin wrinkle, being in the sun too much makes skin wrinkle, not taking care of your diet. And they put them all together and they all contribute. And i think it might turn out to be the same for our thinking, especially in late life, that its not just alzheimers pathology from plaques, or not just microinfarcts, but the number of these hits that you take. And after a while you cant withstand them all. Theres one last thing we wondered about in the over90 crowd, and thats romance. Helen weil, 92, and henry tornell, 94, both widowed, have been dating for three years. So, do you see each other every day, several times every day, once a day . How does it work . Henry tornell she gets one day off a week. Helen weil laughs its true tuesdays. Stahl tuesdays is a day off. Weil its my day off. Stahl helen and henry love being part of the 90plus study, and both have signed up to donate their brains after they die. Henry has only one problem with the whole enterprise what the study hasnt asked about. Tornell i asked them, arent you going to ask us any questions about our sex life . And they said no. Stahl well, i will. Hows your sex life . laughter you brought it up. Weil see, he is funny, you know that. Stahl well, i dont know. I think. Im not laughing. How is your sex life . laughter weil hes blushing. Stahl hes blushing. But is that part of. Do you think that has something to do with. Tornell i would say it has a big part. Stahl helen . Weil we are very. We are very affectionate. Stahl but do you think that sex is an important part of staying young . Tornell yes. Stahl the 90plus study has just gotten another fiveyear round of n. I. H. Funding to delve deeper into risk factors for specific types of dementia, like those microinfarcts, and to search for genes that may be protective, in their continuing search for the secrets of the oldest old. Kawas i really believe that, when we learn things from the 90yearolds, theyre going to be helping the 60 and 70year olds not just how to become 90yearolds, but how to do it with style and as good a function as possible. Stahl well, obviously, youve already started that by telling us that we should have some wine, that we should have some coffee. Kawas and socialize. And exercise. Stahl and gain weight. Kawas and thats my favorite. Stahl my favorite too, absolutely. And maybe a Little Something<\/a> else save the last dance for me playing weil save the last dance for me. laughs customizable charts, powerful screening tools, and guaranteed onesecond trades. 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