This movie should function at. Rose also ready for a new season, key and peele and they join us for a look ahead. Granted, you know, the current, the standing president kind of a gimmicky way to get that, but that was just one way, you know, we felt like that scene was a perfect usage of keegan and my strengths, and we felt like it was a connection to now, which was needed for us because we have so many sketches and comedic ideas that are evergreen, they are sketches that could take, you know, hopefully will be funny in 50 years. Rose in root to keaton, norton, key and peele, all when we continue. Funding for charlie rose is provided by the following. 5[q by and by bloomberg, a providerd Information Services worldwide. 0 from oc1] . j studios in new k city, this is charlie rose. Rose birdman is a new movie about mexican film maker alejandro captioning sponsored by Rose Communications inarritu, it follows a washed up actor once at a spouse for playing an iconic super hero as he attempts to make a comeback. Variety says it is preoccupied with aging actor psyche but addresses fatherhood, integrityingly, integrity and the enduring question of the legacy we leave behind, here is the trailer for birdman. I remember when i lost my mind. ÷u how did we end up here in this dump . You were a movie star, remember . Maybe i am crazy. Baby you are crazy. Baby, we are crazy. Wait and see. You are birdman. Lets go back one more time and show them what we are capable of. Why dont get your wings and your feathers ow what you looking at . Rose now alejandro inarritu, the director and two of the film stars, Michael Keaton and edward morton, aboutm pleased to have all of you at this table. Welcome. Sometimes it is the size of a starling and some the size of a vulture but we all have a birdman. Yes. I said that but it is true. I definitely connect with these characters in the tortuous creative process, and the internal relentless questioning of your own results and possibilities. I definitely, that is how my i think, my mom and why am i doing what am doing, i should do better. So no matter what case i present, he sent me to file all the time. Rose is this the kind of question you ask when you decided you were going to take a break from acting . Well to some degree, i was listening to alejandro earlier talk about it sounds like pretentious, but i was somewhat bored but not bored like i am above it bored, i was bored with the sound of my own voice, you know, and in a career, there are those moments ultimately you will refute yourself and i am probably i need to grow up and accept that, and i have, i think in myself but i think i just wasnt enjoying it myself as much as i had been and i dont think i was very good. I think i was still kind of going on automatic sometimes, and there were things in life i just wanted to get settled first. I am not very good and doing too many things at one time so i wanted to clear my fields in life and say okay lets dial it all back in now and at the same time this wonderful script and director come along. Rose did you hesitate or just say yes. No, about seven seconds. Rose this is the one i have been waiting for . Well, i had seen his films and ed will tell you, there are just not that many scripts that are good, there are not that many directors that are and i have worked with really good directors and there are good ones out there, but it is a question of, are you going to get asked, you know, and you if you know if you have seen, you know, 30 feet of his films, you may not automatically say, yes, but you say, i probably want to be a part of this. Rose how did you get he is an actor and i always kind of, always stressed out a little bit because people are, as in the press have said he is a superstar and known someone said the other day he was a bad argument. He is not a bad argument at all. You dont get to where you get to the level which, you know, he got, being a bad argument and i also dont like that. I think it is very bush league, especially coming from other arguments when you talk about, actors when you talk about people being good or bad, i think it can be a courageous thing to do, try to be an actor, so he is an actor who has fallen on hard times, not only in his career but in his life, certainly, and extremely insecure, extremely needy and he decides to mount a play in new york city based on Raymond Carver short story. Rose yes. And he, which he loved and has a connection to, and he decides to direct it and star in it and he plays a couple of characters in it and in the process has a nervous breakdown. Rose enter you. Your average soundtrack for you. Mike sort of swanning in at a late hour to sort of save the play in question and who, who is a bit of, bit of an anarchist, a bit of a remadonna, a bit of a method actor. And as we come to meet him, understand also kind of more of what haunts him, what his insecurities are, things like that. But i think that i think that it really, you know, alejandro said to us in the beginning, this is a story about artists and same way i think if you go all the way back to shakespeare, shakespeare said, you know, life is a play or on the stage, you know. I think alejandro from the getgo said thisgg this superintendent there are lots of pleasures in sticking a fork in the movie i have, in artists and in their pretensions and in their he goes but underneath all of this, this, if this isnt deeply rerelatable who ever had that voice in their head of doubt, of self questioning, then we havent gone to the lerel that this should function at. And i do think, i mentally think everyone has their birdman. I think people have flocks of birds, you know, that go around them and i think if you walked down the street in new york city in the middle of the day you would see people, you see people with their lips moving and a look staring into the middle distant because they are in the midst of that dialogue with the voice in the head that says you should have more, you are not doing enough, or you made the wrong choice or why didnt you say this to him . You know, it is it is endemic to our primate brain that we have those voices. P and i think you should say this, no, no. I think the idea of the idea of a person in a spiritual and emotional crisis questioning where they are in their life and trying in a desperate way to recover a positive sense of themselves is something that almost anybody can relate to, and i think if we, if we happen to be in the trade that we are in, but i really think anybody can relate to that idea as a human being. Rose yes. Absolutely. You shot it at the st. James theatre. Yes, we were lucky to have a tiny two weeks between Barry Manilow and a show, when i was doing this, the scouting i saw Barry Manilows dressing room when he was finishing like 17 pair of shoes and all of that. It was amazing and we were in two weeks. Two weeks. In that shooting in that space. Rose so your character is haunted by birdman in part. Did batman haunt you at all . No. I dont look i think batman, i was blessed to get such arv7n thing, and you know, if you are whining about that wow. You know,. It is not like being in liberia right now. When i say it is hard work, it is hard. It is hard, you know, but hard is hard doesnt mean stop. Hard just means it is hard so lets yeah, it. Like ed is saying, i call hard, you know, going to a coal mine every morning. Rose going down and taking an hour and a half to get down. How about doctors on the borders, that is hard. This is not that hard. But. Rose exactly. But we kind of like, i like hard and all of these arguments, actors would say there is not one this the movie and really no actor to tell you the truth saying no, i dont want to do that. I think i may be speaking for myself but hard, i like it when the back isl little bit. Rose do you sure. But i think it is funny because people keep bringing up, there is the obvious like, ixhi÷d kno, extremely thinly superficial connection between birdman and michaels character in the birdman and the second michael did a couple of rounds in batman, and inspired, and i have been in the hulk, a lot of us have danced in that kind of construct, but the irony is to me, you know, rig again, makeables character is defined by, he is defined and trapped by this one character he played. If you said to me or zach or anyone who grew up watching michael stone, like the ones that are definitive for you, night shift, mr. Mom, you know, beetlejuice, like the ones to us it was cool that michael played batman like not that he was you know, was defined by batman, and i think the notion, to me was, additionally impressive about michaels performance in the movie is that he is about as far away from that character as any actor i have met in the terms of being completely comfortable in his own skin and a life much bigger than the roles he plays. Rose and the work he has done. Yes. And i think the portrait is really of, it is not even so much of an actor or career but really of a person coming unhinged and coming to grips with the ecpz fact that everytg that has gone wrong in his life may, in fact, have to do with his own ego and not what l people have done to him and thats a very much more nuanced, youpj. F5 think just this kind of glib comparison, people are making to the role. Rose as an actor do you like that he is famous for these continuous shots . Yes. Rose as an actor do you like it . I like the fact that we had to i like the fact that i wanted to see if i could pull it long takes, it is a question of everything that goes on in that long take. Rose exactly. And what he wanted to try to do. And, you know, you cant i tell you the people, there are so many people that need some light shed upon them, the camera operator, chris, i mean, this is a yeomans job and manuel libisky what he did when alejandro and chivo worked together, the shots whichvbx extraordinary never seemed indulgent to me, everything served the story, you know, so those long shots did sc1 a lote than you see the first time around. There is a lot going on in the long shots and i did like to see if i could pull it off. I like that feeling that, youary know, you are coming around the bend and your horse is just holding back and holding back and holding back and coming down the stretch and this is the time to let them out and give them the head as they say and let them run and go the good feeling is i am coming around the corner and going to meet edward, i knowja it up and zach has to do these things and surrounded by these actors who are all thinking like you and you think man i am glad i am with these people and then of course you screw it up. Or somebody it is not people, it is like, ask if it is lake doing theatre it really is not, because you if you messup, alejandro loses a few hairs but5 back and do it again and there is no audience. I keep saying alejandro started with short straight hair. [laughter. ] rose like an electric shock. Yes. I think the truth is that the truth is the stakes were til til the still the stakes of a film set you had a chance to do it again, but i agree with michael that it would have i would have been more concerned about it if it felt like it was show offy and if alejandro wasnt rooting that decision to push away convention in terms of the form of the film making. You know, he rooted it so specifically and in an emotional, in an emotional reasoning, which was i want to be inside the head of this characters anxiety. I want to be inside the clench that he feels as he gets closer and closer to this critical moment in his life. And so the form, the form÷8wm s really an expression of the emotional intimacy he wanted to create between the character and the audience and that becomes very exciting because you say, look, there is really a great reason to do this. Now l it, you know,. Rose nice to have actors who know what you are trying to do. Yes. I think it was a very clear conversation all the time. I think we were very open, all of us have to be naked and all of us were walking in the same tightrope you know what i mean, so they say, if they fail, i fail and vice versa, there is no editing or no polishing, i cant hide any bad scene, it will be impossible so it is likened less piece of spaghetti which has everything tied together in so in a way i compared this experience as playing in a band, you know, we were playing life, we were equipoising all of us, nobody will be safe or and that creates c ep a very great collaboration, family vibe that normally in films doesnt happen because it is very fragmented experience and i will never shot a film again as i did before this one, for sure, that changed my whole perception of how i should shoot and what films should be achieved for me, it is absolutely different, i feel so lazy the way i did things, you know what i mean . I over abused everything. You know, it is not needed. I see now even my friends say why . It looks a little bit there is a very artificial order that film making established that now i am questioning myself, why we have been doing that so long, and so, over views, the fast paced, speed editing that, you never we neal nothing and what i learned about, learn about this process is chat am i all the time, all the great directors i have all my life they usewoxip sokoloff in russian, it is beautiful, that lets you get into and transpire, really, because that is how we live our lives, you wake up and open your eyes and navigating and really, the only time that we really enjoy thats why we are so addicted to fiction or movies or books, because we fragment time and space. It is an illusion of mine, it is my imagination and wow, what is that . Reading a book and everything is synthesized but that is an impossibility of our own labyrinth, we are trapped in our own lab rit a, labyrinth and own two eyes and in a way that brings you to that configuration of reality, that is, i found the only thing. J about that, i can weigh lots of times from things we were doing going this is such a fantastic way to work, everything you are saying, i had a similar feeling from an actors perspective, just like this is such a liberating way to work, but it takes for granted the idea that every film maker team is has virtue 0 sew ic,. Had together and i dont think, honestly, i dont think just anybody can. Rose do it. Decide to do this, because of what alejandro is saying. I think it takes people who are at their own absolute peak of capacities and talents who have spent a lot of time really thinking about, and challenging the form of film, which alejandro has in all of his films, chivo is without a doubt one of the great cinematographers working in the modern era of the business and i think when you watch the film, i think anybody will anybody who makes films already i think is realizing like what a miraculous achievement it is to have actually pulled off a film, that does what alejandro is saying but doesnt let the dramatic tension drop. It is very, very hard to do that and sustain the dramatic tension, the fluidity, you know,. Rose without the use of devices. Yes, yes. Next time i direct i will do as much editing as i can. [laughter. ] i am going to depend every way i can cover myself. Insurance taxes. You talk about the risks, but really the only person taking the risk was him, because the edit, the option to make cuts andx the insurance package that the director gives himself for latee in the process so the only in that sense, he was v1 i do want to say i am the only person who is actually naked in the film. And he was not he was not a director who9nwxl like willing o do anything wouldnt do anything his actors wouldnt do. I kept saying is this one of the things you will do it to show me that you would do it too and he kept saying no. [laughter. ] rose all right. Lets see a clip from the movie. Take look at this. This is where birdman is rehearsing with mike shiner. Hey, go, no, no, thats the thing. I what is it . I do you. You, dont put me on the spot, man. Dont, dont make me feel selfconscious about my marriage, my wife right there. Right there. Yeah. Can i sit there . Yes, yes, sit. Give it give it to me lay it on me. Yeah. Do it. Come on, give do it me. Hit me hard. Come÷plvhy on. Dont talk about it. Just do it i dont even know the guy what is your point . Yeah, what is your point . What do you think, spit it out. You say it, what are you saying. It is absolute. Yes, yes the kind of love i am talking about is absolute, the kind of love i am talking about, you dont you dont try to kill people. I dont know. Okay. What do you think . Everybody is back. Who are you . Oh. Your daughter. Wow. That is amazing you dont look anything like each other. What do you do . And does she talk . And speak . She does, yes. She can even sit and stayn. J roll over. Hey, welcome aboard. Thank you, captain. I am mike. Oh, i know who you are. I saw you in hot you were great. Oh, thank you. Great. ,n]m[ seriously . That was je this is the theatre. Dondont be so selfconscious. Rose thats what we are talking about, isnt it . D; yeah. Rose emma stone plays your daughter, his daughter. Jack plays who . The producer, friend, producer, lawyer. And rose were you going against type in casting him . Yeah. Because i met him one time and i feel that zach is one of those guys you want to bring home and he is one of those guys you love thenj 5gn moment. He is an extraordinary talent and i think he has an incredible capacity that he shows. Commenting something about this scene which is very funny. One of the chance was that basically it was four minute dialogue scene that can be very boring, talking heads kind of thing so i was just trying to see if she would find a way to get around and see how this actor who has been introduced to him is waiting desperately, presiege, his territory and the guy is intimidated by this guy, the camera is surrounding this guy like a snake, you see, and then biting and ed i tinge, editing and writing and he is thinking over a scene, he is already setting the tone that is completely wrong and it is kind of crazy in that sense, but i enjoy it a lot. But the mirror of the mirror i will tell you, i dont know if you remember, we were in rehearsing in la, it was just an empty space, we were trying to figure out the scene out and so when i was trying to do things and suggesting okay for the camera will be here, then, wait a minute, but why the camera should be dont you think it should be here . And i said, so i look at him, what do you say . Dont you know what you are doing . You are directing me. You are doing exactly what this guy does. So it is a mirror of the mirror of the mirror. Rose right. That was all michael. There was tons of that in the movie. He nev9]4 of these you know, it is interesting, there are things that are symbolic in it and purposefully symbolic, i suppose and then there are things that end up being symbolic and then things that you interpret in a certain way, that you go, am i making too much of this or not . And even that works, because who is to say if you are it depends on what you are seeing in it. Things come about and you think it represents something and it probably does and that is kind of what happens in this movie that is really, a in that cool gray zone you cant quite put your finger on. It is a ver very difficult tg is how to perform for the theatre and how to perform to the screen because there are two realities of these actors playing an actor, and the play, a film that is about a play so all of those things were very interest