Couple of very generous friends who have suffered from addiction and who really took me through it and were very detailed. And i worked on the script and, you know, like actors do. And then i pretended it, like it was real. Rose we conclude this evening with nina tassler, talking about programming primetime television. Whats also hanging now is people have the opportunity to watch when, where, how they want to watch. But what we realize, you look at a show like supergirl, like criminal minds, or the good wife, it is a very loyal fan base. Theyre going to follow that show wherever it is because they have to stay connected. They have to be a part of the conversation. They have to be a part of these characters lives. So i think television is still about ownership. Its about people developing relationships with characters and making longterm commitments. Rose cranston, silverman and tassler, when we continue. Rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by american express. Rose additional funding provided by and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose Dalton Trumbo was the highest paid screen writer in the 40s and black listed for about a decade after being accused of having communist ties. He wrote Roman Holiday and the brave one. Cranston takes to be the film as the screen writer in trumbo. He sac speech and savage wit the real man portrays. Heres the trailer for trumbo. I love our country and its a good government, but anything could be better. You talk like a radical but live like a rich guy. A perfect combination, the radical may fight the purity of jeers but the rich guy wins with the cunning of satan. Your next deal is going to make you the highest paid writer in hollywood. Where do i sign . Are you now or have you ever been a member of the communist party . Any questions can be answered yes or no only by a more ron or a slave. In studios will ever employ a member of the communist party. American feels hollywood is a haven for overpaid traitors. Who is he . Ive got nothing to say to you. We do what everyone says we cant, we write are you out of your mind . Congress has no right to investigate what we think or how we make movies. Ill write you a movie. And you dont want your name on it. No, you dont want your name on it. I am perpetually. The black list is alive and wells and serving the black market. We should all be prepared to go to prison. I dont think youre willing to lose all of it just to do the right thing. You dont end Something Like this by giving them what they have no right to ask for. Something. Who is it . There is a good story in there about one man who tried to take on the whole world. If we get one big movie, we can get all the big movies, then this whole rotten thing could collapse. If there is some other writeers name on it, dont believe it. Fire Dalton Trumbo. I dont think you and me are going to be pals. Do you have to say everything like its going to be chiseled into a rock . Whisper a movie written in secret, maybe you havent even heard of it. Maybe you have. Rose great to have you back at the table. Good to be here, charlie, thank you. Rose who was Dalton Trumbo . Tell me beyond what we just saw in this trailer about why he is a name, you know, that somehow stands for principle resistance to efforts to shut him down. Well, he was, as you mentioned at the top, the highest paid screen writer in hollywoodl in 1947. He was a nonconformist, oppressive, prolific, brilliant, a wordsmith. He loved holding court. He enjoyed it. He was flamboyant. He smoked constantly. Always through a cigarette holder. He loved life. He was also the person you want on your side to fight for injustice. He would write letters to the schoolboard, to the Power Company if the bills were too high, and he would constantly do what he did best which was to write and express himself. He was irrasable and irritable and kind and generous. Rose arrogant and cocky . He was all those things. Brilliant and fun loving. So hes a complex, deeply facetted character. Rose youre suggesting somebody bigger than life. Yeah. He was. He was a big, big man. When he walked into a room, he wanted to rose suck the air out of it. Not suck the air out of it, but he wanted to stir the air. He wanted to stir the pot a lot. He wanted to be involved and informed and stimulate others into conversation and things. Rose and you want people to leave this film with what big idea . Well rose having a very good theatrical experience . Well, enjoying the film. Rose right. And then . I think it would be great if people left and even argued a point, saying i think it was a very genuine scare at the time of insurgence of communism and ideology, and other people would say it was just a persons thought. How can you persecute someone for their thoughts . So if we can stimulate that conversation, thats really a victory for not just us in the movie business and this particular film, but i think for in society. Rose yeah. This was the time when i feel there was an overreach of a branch of government that became the judge, jury and executioner of suspending First Amendment rights and sentencing Dalton Trumbo and nine other men to prison, committed no crime, contempt of congress, they werent pleased rose this was as weve seen before the time of joe mccarthy and edward r. Murrow where people of conviction had to step forth knowing they faced an onslaught against them. Trumbo was one, muro was another. And not just news gathering entities, educators were targeted in a variety of different colleges. Thousands of people were targeted and put on the black or grey list, depending, and there was a lot of innuendo and suspicion. Rose any reason to believe we could fall back into that kind of i dont see why not. I think its up to the citizenry to be able to stay vigilant and protect these First Amendment rights that were fought over and blood shed to establish that as the foundation of our government. And the checks and balances were specifically initiated in the branches of government to prevent any one branch of government from being too powerful, and it works. And at this point, they pushed that aside and took it upon themselves to be all powerful, and thats a dangerous position. Rose now, what can you make of the debate which is a very different debate that exists today between privacy and security . The debate between knowing an invasion of your lives sometimes argued on security grounds. Right. I think anyone who doesnt believe that the world and certainly our country changed drastically from 9 11 is a fool. So, yes, that is the major concern that the main responsibility for any government is to protect their citizens, absolutely. No question. What im feeling and what im saying is that the First Amendment needs to be a paramount discussion in developing policy of the government. So if were talking about extensive wiretapping without, you know, checks and balances, i think its wrong. I think those are in place for those reasons. I think it works. Rose there are so many great actors here, but this shows you being served a subpoena to appear before the house on american activities. I have a very unusual mother. Congratulations, mother. How long were you in show business . Till i was 15, but it was more forced labor. Mr. Dalton trumbo . Yes. See you in washington. Enjoy your picnic. Lets go, boys. Rose we saw in the trailer trailer. In real life kirk douglas did a very heroic thing, much like the parallels of spartacus where a man stands up for what is right and, by doing so, others will stand with him. And its a noble thing. And kirk, who risked a lot because he put his own money and reputation at risk. Rose and a lot of lives were financially destroyed by he could have been ostracized easily if it didnt work, but at one point he just felt that it wasnt right, it wasnt fair, and he wouldnt be who he thought he was as a man im talking about kirk douglas if he allowed a different name, a phony name to be on spartacus, of all things. How can you allow, you know, a hidden name to be on that movie . Rose for those principles. For those principles. And he said, no Dalton Trumbos name is going to be on it. It was the first time in 13 years Dalton Trumbo saw his real name on a screen. Rose look at. This here it is. When i think of all the movies ive done, so many of the characters that ive played, its like a part of me. When i think of spartacus, you know, this great fighter for freedom, i think after its over and hes talking to varinia, hes saying im free but i know nothing. I dont know how to read. I want to know everything. I want to know why a star falls and a bird doesnt. Why the moon changes shape. Where does the wind come from . You know, when spartacus was asking those questions, i thought, those are the questions i would ask. Rose there he is talking about the principles. Hes a great guy. You saw the movie. He had some very wonderful comments to make about a movie, but he said he had one criticism. Rose whats that . He said, i dont understand why the filmmaker did not select me to play kirk douglas laughter rose thats a good point. L. B. J. Mmhmm. Rose what have you learned from this deep dive into lindenn Baynes Johnson . The civil rights of 65, the Voting Rights act of 64, it was landmark which changed the way we lived and forced us to look in the mirror and say look what we have been doing to a Cross Section of american citizens, look at how we have been treating them how dare us the unmitigated disgust of how we were treating other human beings, and it was not a pretty picture to look at, and there was a lot of resistance to it, and he did it not because he thought it would leave a legacy of greatness. I truly believe he thought it was the right thing to do. He had an experience when he was a young man fresh out of college and got a job at an Elementary School with these kids who didnt have shoes, didnt eat very much, but they were so eager to learn. They were attentive and desperate to break out. And he loved these children. And in the town, in this little texas town, there was a lot of prejudice against them simply because theyre brown or their economic status or their illegal status or whatever the case was, and he just felt that was fundamentally wrong and, at some point, i would like to see that changed and if i can do it, so much the better. He had the advantage of being in the house of representatives 12 years and the senate 12 years, rising to Senate Majority leader before he became Vice President and president , so he knew all the important players and he also knew their wives and kids names. Rose and their weak points, too. He knew where they were vulnerable. Yes. Rose he knew what argument would either to reward or punish, would get them to stay world as he sees it. Yes, thats true. Whats interesting, i went from playing Dalton Trumbo to playing from l. B. J. To Dalton Trumbo back to l. B. J. To shoot the film, and there is a lot of similarities between these two men. If you drew a diagram, the comparisons are remarkable. Larger than life. Than life characters. Theyre both storytellers and had hearty laughs. They loved to indulge. They didnt take care of their bodies. They were hyperfocused on their profession and they were extremely good at it, both of them, both very prolific, both ambitious as hell. Both had a lot of down sides. I think there was a tremendous rose insecurities. Insecurities, an emptiness, a desire to be respected and loved, and exceedingly talented. Rose what part of you misses walter . I dont miss walter. Rose at all. No. Rose even though it changed your life completely . It changed my life completely. I miss the people. Rose do you miss that guy . I dont miss walter because breaking bad had a beautiful beginning middle and end. Its like if you had a great meal, the appetizer, salad, meal, dessert and coffee and someone brought you more dessert and its kind of, like, no, it kind of ruins it. It was good where it was and leave it at that and walk away proud. Rose thank you for comic. Thank youicthank you, charlie. Rose trumbo opens friday november 6. Stay with us. Sarah silverman is here, a standup comedienne and actor more than 20 years. She takes on her first major dramatic role in the new film i smile back. She plays a woman struggling with depression, alcoholism and drug addiction. Her performance is called fierce and underring, acting of the highest caliber. Heres the trailer for i smile back. How much do you love me . Oh, good oh, good, good, good promise you will never leave me. You turned around and gave the kid a huge smile. Whatever it took, he knew he would marry that girl. Nobody tells you its terrifying to love something so much. Oh, my gosh why didnt you call me . You were in the hospital. I mean the 30 years before that. Why did you stop taking your medicine . Theyre making me fat. Ats bull bleep . Its true. You would rather be insane . Rise and shine, beautiful. You have to decide what it is you want. I just want you to be happy like you used to be. Dont you want to be happy . What do you want . Id love to smile like that again. Rose what are they saying about you . Tour deforce, monster performer. I guess im pretty great. Rose welcome to the table. Thank youum i cant believe im here i cant believe this is it rose was this a challenge for you . Yes. Rose because . I think mostly because i dont have easy access to my emotions. Theyre very tightly packed and compartmentalized in the deep recesses and sideways. So i needed them all on the surface of my skin to do this. Rose you needed to be able to access them. Yeah. And then also she she feels everything so much but shes covering it kind of expertly but it all has to be there. You know, i thought it would be fun, and we could have laughs and stuff in between shots, but what i didnt understand is im not i dont think im experienced enough in this to be able to access it and put it away and access it. Tom hanks says like a big laugh riot and they call action and hes captain phillips. Im not there yet. I dont have my 10,000 hours in of dramatic acting to have that kind of access. So it was kind of all on my lap between scenes and made it difficult for me because it just it was attached to me like a flu. Rose whats your history with depression . It came over me like as fast as a cloud covering the sun when i was 13, getting off a bus from an eighth grade camping trip that was where i cried the whole time. I remember, when one of my teachers asked why i was upset, i couldnt tell her the truth, which was that i was home sick and i was a bed wetter and had pampers hidden in my sleeping bag at night for, you know, in eighth grade. So i just said i was worried about my mom being alone. But, anyway, i got off the bus and my mom was taking pictures of me and i already felt so much kind of humiliation from the whole trip, and she was, like, paparazziing me, and i just i was begging her to stop and, you know, i love her, she wanted to remember the moment, she didnt know what my experience had been. I begged her to stopped, and its very odd to be ignored by someone whos taking pictures of you, but it was in that moment and came over me that fast and it stayed for three years, but it was, i guess, clinical depression. Rose and, so, did you go do something about it immediately or well, i was really a social girl, i was the class clown, i had my best friends, we hung out every day and, suddenly, it was like everything my perspective on everything changed, like, three degrees, which, like, changes everything. So i didnt see any point in hanging out with friends. It felt like a burden to hang out with friends. I was so jealous watching them from afar just existing in life, you know. I was to envious of that because it was like they didnt even care we were all going to die or that were totally alone bind bd our eyes, all of us. None of that bothered anybody. Rose how much of yourself did you see in laney. Were very alike but the bones of depression we share so i was able to use myself as a resource to a degree. Rose tell me about her. Laney, this character well, im doing everything actors do, im calling laney her and talking about her in a third person, and later i will probablier talk about how a generous actor janey was but it all turned out to be true. Rose thats exactly what happened. Anyyea, laney is a suburban housewife and mother, you know, married to a wonderful rose who questions whether shes any good at it at all, whether shes a good mother. She asks the question. She has a perfect life, two wonderful kids, a great husband, but she is a drug addict, she suffers from depression, shes probably a drug addict because shes self medicating selfdepression. Rose and she feels abandonment . Charlie, we are all trying to survive or childhoods, right . Rose yes, some say. Its why all comics come from such a dark place. Im touching on all your upcoming questions. I know. Rose because of you and what it became, was it in some way an escape from pain . Totally. Rose totally . Well, maybe not totally. laughter not totally because part of it, i know i am funny. Rose yes, you are. And i know that because ive had to dissect it over the years doing press. But its been really a gift because its made me realize so many things about myself and my life. My dad taught me swears when i was a toddler and i learned if i yelled out swears in the middle of boys market i would get wild approval from adults despite themselves, and it was a drug and i loved rose you felt loved. I felt loved and it was just incredible reward by being able to present an element of surprise to people. So that was a positive thing. I just think comics usually come from i was a bed wetter, a hairy jew. I grew up in New Hampshire and there are not many jews in New Hampshire and we werent really raised with any religion, we were just jewish in that it oozed out of our pores, right. But i didnt feel so different till maybe around third grade, kids started blame meg for my people killing jesus. I remember even, like, then thinking its not like we killed baby jesus. laughter he had quite a run. laughter he was 33. 33 is young. If someone dies now at 33, its terrible. But, i mean, back then in the old and oldie timey times, 33 was, like, elderly. Dying at 33 was, like, he had a full life, you know. And, by the way, youre welcome. If we had not killed him, he wouldnt even be