Tattoos for people, whether its the most difficult thing or something simple, we can pull out inspiration from ourselves, like how am i going to design this simple tattoo perfectly for this person, so that part of it is how we stay inspired and keep doing it. Rose joy and bang bang when we continue. Rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose joy is the new film from writer director david o. Russell. Joy is a working class single mother who invented the miracle mop and founded the company ingenious designs. Deadline called joy one of the years most enriching and entertaining pill ifums. Heres the trailer. Christie, look at me. I want you to remember something. A lot of times people get nice things and start to think differently. We got here from hard work and humility. Dont ever think the world owes you anything because it doesnt. The world doesnt owe you a thing. I was valedictorian in high school, got into a fancy college. I stay here because my parents can afford it. Youre like a gas leak. We dont see youre smell you but you silently kill us all. Youre beautiful. Could marry anybody. A doctor, a lawyer, a nice man instead of i dont know what to call this guy. Are you seriously talking about this right now . I believe the ordinary makes the extraordinary every single day. I have real ambitions and real ideas. Im very serious. Joy has run a business her entire life. Its my fault. I gave her the confidence to think she was more than just an unemployed housewife. I dont want to end up like my family. I have to do things myself once and for all. God speed. Good luck. Here we go. You grow up and you come into this world. Theres all sorts of things in it. Money, crime, betrayal. Seems like theyre shaking us down. You could pay more. I can. But when you realize the only thing youre going to have is what you make. You are in a room and there is a gun on the table. The only other person in the room is an adversary in commerce. Only one of you can prevail. Do you pick up the gun, troy . I pick up the gun. You dont know what its like baby you dont know what its like listen to me never speak on my behalf. About my business. Again. To love somebody to love somebody rose rose joining me is the films writer and director david o. Russell, as well as actors robert de niro, Bradley Cooper and edgar ramirez. Glad to have all of them here. You say this film is inspired by brave women. I assume joy is the real live person. We never name her name in the movie but joy mangano is responsible for 50 of the detail in the picture. Rose inspired by brave women . Daring women. Rose is this the first time we see this kind of film where we see a strong woman and a group of strong men behind her . Yes. Thats a film i didnt feel i had ever seen where a woman had to make of herself, really become fierce and create something, and the men who could be Strong Enough to be behind the strong woman and love her and she becomes kind of, to me, just like the godmother. Shes forgiving, shes patient, but shes tough. You cant be successful unless youre tough, but shes still got a gigantic heart. So to me, ive not seen that. Theyre the best divorced couple. There is a romance at the center of it. Rose but its also about family. Its very much about family. Rose all your films are about family. The silver lining, American Family is very important. I feel privileged to work with robert. Hes like the godfather of uh all our pictures. He inspires everyone on the set. Were all privileged to work with him. Bradley is a cocollaborator and filmmaker and brad is new to our team. Rose you like the ensemble. William wilier worked with betty davis, robert worked with scorsese so much, and jennifer and robert and i have worked together and there is a trust you have with other artists and you take chances and will do anything for each other. Rose do you see this often . You see it a lot. The list goes on and on. It seems that the better directors are more than better directors, the finer directors have that understanding. Also i think in the theater we have the same thing, but in movies that seems to be a good thing. Rose whats it . Well rose among those directors . That they feel more comfortable working with the people theyve worked with before because they know how they think, how they behave and they know their patterns and they can see them in another part. I know if i was in davids situation, i would be excited by saying, well, i have so and so, and i want to see them do this, and i know them and i know they can do it, it will be in a way which we havent seen before, but thats all the better. So and he has hes great at it. Rose its you and marty. Yeah, weve had a terrific relationship. Rose youre new to this . Yeah. Rose house of it for you o come into this. It was a huge privilege. Its always a beautiful thing to be worked into a family and especially such a creative and protective family as they are. Its a beautiful privilege especially because its great to have a seat at such a great table. Im saying that david has created a universe that is unique and surprising and funny and heartbreaking like life itself, so its sensitive enough to capture all these contradictions and put them all together in his films to make them work in a seamless way and that is something that we dont see very often in just a handful of people are able to do that. Rose whats the story . Its a story weve never seen before. Its a female empowerment movie. Its a movie about not hiding your dreams or casting them away for 17 years public works if theyre there, take them. Its about overcoming obstacles, even family ones, and its about doing what needs to be done in order to fulfill ones potential. Rose a journey of selfdiscovery for her . Yes, i watched jennifer grow up in Silver Linings play book. She was a girl. She asked these two what it was like to be famous. Ive watched her deal with an enormous amount of attention and remain true to herself and find her voice of power and dignity. I watched her buy her own house and unpack her boxes and learn to conduct and protect herself while still being true to herself. That takes a certain power and she made herself starting at 14. Oto me, the movie is about jennifer as well. Rose her narrative is her narrative as well. I felt that. Rose selfinvention as well. We would never want to do a biopic. Its about maturity and power. What is success . People think it looks like a cake company outside. Its a struggle that never ends, filled with heartbreak. Whats the emotion joy . I want to make sure there is enough for me to come to my collaborators and say this is worthy of your time. Jennifer said ill do it if youll do it. I said do it if we can do these ambitions. Your emotion, joy, when youre a child, does it a lifetime, 10 to 25 years old. When youre a child, thats an innocent joy. When you get married thats a euphoric joy. There is a famous disastrous wedding toast, a friendship ending and he gives a doozie. What a bad guy but hes right about the marriage. Whats going to happen when you marry a latino singer . Is he going to bring home the bacon . I dont know. But hes a loving guy. But, what happens when you get divorced an you have two kids, him living in the basement, which is based on truth, he lives in the basement. Hes a romantic. We have the odd couple in the basement, then they hate each other. And what is joy at that moment in your life when you feel like you lost your how do you find inspiration again and find a mature joy . For me in the end she found power and tolerated and forgive him. We found the real father who had sued her. Thats what happens in family commerce, and she forgave him. She has a big heart. Rose where does bradley fit in . Bradley describes the picture as beginning the odyssey. She begins in her fathers metal garage. He built the bus routes. It would be the 60s. Its snowy, a metal garage. His pioneering vision is ending when the movie begins. His business is contracting. This man becomes her dream for a moment. Teaches her sing. Teaches her to speak spanish. Thats exciting for me as a filmmaker. You tell the story out of time and see the divorce and the romance that preceded it. By the time she gets to him its the emerald city. I love m. G. M. Of 1950 that he treated with great sincerity and vision and took a chance on her and that also is not easy to have happen. It almost fails many times. Rose she comes in and first impression, you take her on. You give her the shot on the equivalent of qvc. Right. Rose what did you see in her . I think it was very practical and it was a great invention. When he watched it work, it was a home run what she did with the miracle mop. He just took the time to watch her properly demonstrate it for him. But we also talk about the fact this guy had a chance. Barry gave him a chance. You can tell he doesnt look like the other people in the room. A little disheveled, comes from a sports background, so he hs probably very familiar with the idea of someone giving somebody an opportunity. As weve all experienced and as ive experienced in this room with you and you, people taking a chance with me, and with you quite frankly the first time i came on the show, and she found a likeminded person halfway through the movie, thank god, like we all have, and he opened the door, he cracked it open for her and she barreled through it and never looked back. Rose at this stage, do you prepare a lot . With david, its a yeah. He directs in such a way that its all distilled through him. I always say that david, to me, writes for the camera and so that hell throw us lines and things like that. And this family is the dynamic is so complex, like any family, it has to be distilled through him and he directs it in the way that he wants and in the direction that it should go. So we follow him. I mean, if you asked rudy, the guy i played, what he thought, he would say, well, thats not me, maybe, or i didnt do it, or whatever, but you have to make a choice. Rose if the real father watched this film, he would say that . I dont know. I wouldnt be surprised. Maybe he would be happy, i dont know. Or joy was happy, the actual joy mangano. But that is why david is so great, we rely him to steer us in the direction he wants to go because we know whatever it is, it will be unique. Let me Say Something about him. I always have to make it fresh and new for him. He became a man since i met him. He made a movie with clint eastwood. His boyishness is gone. He comes out and is like a man my farther worked with as a salesman, a man putting bread on the table in the hounds tooth jacket the guys wore. Hes not fooling around. Could be a mop or stock hes selling. Ecomes on and is meticulous. He teaches everybody to be meticulous. Hes never too big to be the actor me is. Robert de niro, i watched be the leader of a growing business, a very smart businessman whom ive learned from and just watched going back 30 or more years believing in real estate and unexpected neighborhoods and building exciting restaurants and hotels and involving his family which is a balancing act that is worthy to me of parts of great cinema about family businesses. The godfather, you have to watch people relate and control the relationships. I just want to tell one story about your m meticulousness. There is a day on the set he comes in, jennifer is having nightmares being haunted by her childhood who is having dreams and her child is saying to her in her nightmares saying what happened to you . What are you . You have been buried. It can happen in the world of adult concerns. You can get lost. What happened to your magic . Wake up. And hes about to give her cough syrup to make her go to sleep. And i said, this guy is meticulous, character is romantic, runs a metal garage and dresses up in polo, thats who is real guy is. He says, yeah, i think the chain is right. Viny, our amazing prop master from Staten Island says it will take ten minutes to go to the truck. I said maybe we should just shoot a few and lets go. And from behind around the corner i hear the voice, roll camera, action, pause, wait a minute. Lets not just go. I want the chain. Please get the chain. I just felt everything on the set just go. In total respect. Because he was right and wanted the time, the ten minutes to get the chain. Rose the details. I only make movies about specific people that i can love and see in their contradictions, thats a specific thing. The chain you had in Silver Linings is the same thing. Rose why do you think youre that way . Well. Oh, come on, robert, you know its true. Talk about what you do. No, sometimes im very particular, very specific, and other times i wont waste time on things that i know i prepare that im in there and i do it for better or worse and it might turn out totally different than the way i anticipated or expected it to happen. That happens, and i just dont want to be afraid to move forward with something and say im going to go do it, whether its right or wrong, the situation i made, and thats it. And that to me is more important because it has a spontaneity as the stuff david does and an aliveness thats essential to a movie work and living and breathing the way he does it. The first time i worked with bob, one of the reasons he is one of the best if not the best is the marriage of the cerebral and instinct i watched. Were doing a scene and he walks over, sits at the desk. Hes going to have to look at a paper. The glasses are at the desk. The the prop guy said fold the glasses, put them on the desk. Right before action, went to the desk, unfolds them, puts them on and then puts them down. Because thats what would have happened. Rose thats where he would have put them. I was, like, whoa. Then he walked over. He walked over, thats where he always puts his glasses when he gets up and walks around his office. I said, those little things, thats what you have to remember to make it real. Its that kind of stuff in space all over place when youre working with him. Rose do you teach this or is it something that you know. You have to go on a set, open the door, you have to do certain things, you have to take a piece of machinery and do something, its very important to know how to do that. That little task you better know because its something you have been doing for a long time every day, so youve just got to make sure. What does also happen is when youre doing the scene over and over again, its like a rehearsal and you get to do it very easily the way you should, but you really should know that before, too. Those kind of small things. When theyre opening the building, you can tell theyve never opened the door before, the actor. And sometimes you dont want to but you have to try and have all that stuff down because the person would and those Little Details people notice and they might not even know why it doesnt register. The thing that bothers me about sets is that the doors are always very hollow and the floors are hollow and everything, and i wish there was a way rose doesnt feel real. Doesnt feel real. We shot on location. A real location. Rose take a look at this, the first clip, when you return to live with your daughter and her mother. Here it is. Hi what are you doing here . Im returning him to you. I dont want him anymore. What . Hes damaged. He has no place else to go. Hes been living in my house for two years. Oh, dad, im so sorry. Yeah. But, you know, tonys living in the basement. Your exhusband shouldnt live in the basement. Thats not the proper way to be divorced. Okay. I dont know where im going to put you. Dad, dont go in there, moms in there. You can have him back there, terry, i dont want him anymore. Whats so much better about being with sharon . Dont answer that, dad. We went to the metropolitan metn museum of art. What did you like. The ancient statutes, the medieval armor, the jewelry, going to the cafe, having an espresso we had a panini and a dusty, boring coffee. Then why did you ask. Captain jack, what else is so great . Captain jack. Thats what you are. Youre a gas leak, we dont see or smell you but youre killing us all tell me what else you liked about sharon youre the creaturer from the black lagoon laughter rose its great. Obert had to memorize the dialogue. I love the music of families and talking and the music of language. Having said that, this woman is the the people where were from makes us who we are. The people we love, where were from, thats who we are, and staying true to that has made me a better filmmaker that i can be. You must be rooted in who you loved, who you struggled with. Shes rooted in this house with these people, and those people become the impediments like in a fairy tail who challenge you but also enable you to become who youre meant to be, but you have to rise to meet it. You have to rise to challenge them and fight them when you need to. Without him the whole endeavor doesnt happen. Thats his italian girlfriend. Rose take a look at isabella rossellini. Yes. Rose this clip is where joy met tony i was valedictorian in high school. I got into a college in boston, but stayed here because my parents are getting divorced and i needed to help my mom and help my dad with business stuff, accountant. Maybe your life is on hold right now, hmm . Thats a nice way of putting it. We should sing the musical together. I stand in line until you think you have the time to spend with me rose was there much direction in that scene, directing . Yes, always. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Hes there with you always. We have been discussing this that, in a way, it releases you from so many ideas and selfinflicted impressions that you could have in your head because you have your director right there with you. Rose releasous to take risks or no, we actors tend to be very heady and be in our heads, but the things its a privilege to have a director who knows exactly what your character is thinking. He even knows what youre thinking about the character right there. Things are so sharp. Hes one of the most sensitive persons ive ever met. The this man was known for playing really intense guys like carlos. Rose the jackal. Yes, a portrait of the very famous terrorist. Hes a very beautiful guy, i think the most vulnerable youve ever seen. He has a mug that could be so angry. When youre arguing with robert, you just back off. What was it like for you to sing with jennifer in the hallway . Its beautiful. Ive never tapped into that emotional territory before. It was beautiful. I know when the snow was coming down i didnt know the snow was going to come down. We shoot another song. David trusted his instincts and said no, we should sing this one, something stupid. I knew the song but jennifer didnt know the lyrics. And theres a line that david had already written, when were coming on stage, when she asked me, but what if i dont know the words . And i said to her, you will. And that actually applied to the reality of the situation because she didnt know the words, and she was even more vulnerable and more open and it was beautiful, you know. And we were dancing and singing for a number of takes, and it was