Complicated. But the essence of the idea is that there is nothing wrong, there it is d you are mentally blocked on this. There is nothing wrong with using money as happens with every other student on the university, as a means to attract players. There is nothing wrong with that. There is nothing immoral about it. Its okay for lebron, its okay for could bee, that went directly from high school to the pros. And yet show its immoral for 18 year old kids. By the way, i also think they should have agents. Rose we conclude with more of my conversation from the fall of 2015 with tim cook, the c. E. O. Of apple. Were seeing people say wait a minute, the products that our employees want are iphones and i pads and macsment and so the most forward thinking cios are very much thinking give people what they want. Give them products that make them more productive, that empower them. Tina fey, Robert Carlock and Lorne Michaels plus joe nocera and tim cook when we continue. Funding for charlie rose has been provided by the following and by ploomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. From our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Whiskey tango fongs trot is a new film starring tina fey t is based on journalist kim barkers acclaimed 2011 memoir, the taliban shuffle strange days in afghanistan and pakistan. Tina fey stars as a cable news copy writer who outpens her life when she volunteers to become a war reporter in afghanistan. Richard broady calls the film a brisk and blustery comic drama. Here is the trailer for whiskey tangor whiskey tango foxtrot. Are you okay, maam. I got to pee. Lets go five, media access must be dumping out. No, im just getting my pants on. The Network Needs reporters on the grown in afghanistan and you are the unmarried personnel in this bureau. Kim, are you going to be joining in. The travel or the crying. How many people do you need . She says welcome to afghanistan. This is where the foreign reporters meet. Welcome to the fun house. Oh my god, so nice to have another woman in the house. In afghanistan, you are a star, in new york you are like six, seven, here you are nine, borderline ten. What are you here, like a 15 . Yeah. Huh. Miss baker, this is an extreme environment. Down, down. I have seen people with Actual Experience make bad decisions here. You should let me intrer view you. I do not know you, how can we get to know each other. This is excellent. Probably can i do this. We are all here for a reason. What is your reason. I just wanted out of my job, out of my mildly de pressing boyfriend. What are we doingk kim. Wanted to blow everything up. That is the most american white lady story ive ever heard. Look, i believe go big or we go home. I need a story. I need to get something on the air. Its too dangerous. Dont you think that would be great, that kind of exposure. Pretty good for you too. They tried to shoot us. Whooo what happened . The usual, kabul happened. Today kabuls first licensed female driver hits the road. That sucks for women. Joining me the film star tina fey, Robert Carlock and one its producers Lorne Michaels. Im pleased to have all of them here. So how did this get started . Well, im almost embarrassed to admit that i became aware of the book because someone forwarded me the times review in which they said kim barker presents herself almost as a tina fey like character. So then i got the book. Your first book. My first book and i had someone read it to me. And so then the book was really good and really funny and interesting. And well written and well observed and about a woman in this insane environment, having these darkly comic experiences. Rose so did you turn to robert, your writing Business Producer partner. I went to lorne first and said i think this might be a movie. And i said. Rose what did you say, wise man . I said that i knew paramount was looking for a taliban comedy and we would probably be the first. Better hurry. Yeah. Rose grad brai called up sand said i need a taliban comedy. We have to beat ben stiller to this. Rose so you bought the book rights. Ansett out. I said i knew that robert was the only person smart enough i knew to do all the research necessary not only to adapt the book but to do the research about the military and afghan culture and the News Business and all the things that were required of the adaptation. And you like kim barker. I do, yeah, shes really smart. Rose you changed it to kim baker. Budget cuts. There were no rs in the entire movie if you notice. What does that mean . Whiskey tango foxtrot foxto the. Rose is this what it is like, a writing session at snl. A little like this but 16 hours and eventually a fist fight. And with more food. Rose anmore coffee and what else. Exactly. Rose so is it a comedy . Is it a drama . Is it what . Yeah. Rose is it history . I think before things were just sold as comedies or just as action pictures, you know, when i was very young, we saw the movie mash and i dont know how you describe it. Whether it was a comedy or drama or whatever. Its good and i think this is good too. Rose you went to new mexico to make it. And the cast. Incredible. Rose incredible. Yeah. Billy bob thornton playing the general in the movie, Martin Freeman playing a scottish photographer. Margo robie plays an idol. Rose she is 15 and youre ten. That is generous, by the way, having just seen her at the oscars. Its like 20. Maybe 18. 18 to 20. Rose did you watch mash when were you my age. You know, its funny. I did. I watched mash. I wamped and reread catch 22 lz. Rose looking for rhythm . Looking for permission to do the kind of movie that lorne is talking about. Kims book obviously gave a lot of that freedom to say okay, these are People Living in unusual circumstances and sometimes dire circumstances but funny things still happen. They still say funny things. Rose especially in that kind of circumstances. I would think. Rose parties are different, Everything Else is different. You want the tone right. You want the people who lived it to like the movie and say thats the way it was. And you know, and i think. Rose have you heard from people who lived it, kim, for example. Kim, yeah. Kims friends. And we had a screening a couple of weeks ago maybe last week. Rose does kim in your case kim in your case kim baker get addicted to war . Does she find all this so much better than whatever she was doing as a copy writer or producer back in. It is a theme in the book. This idea that people get addicted to this adrenaline lifestyle. And for sure kim in the movie, yes, she has gone over there thinking she is going to go for three months. She stays for three years. She finds herself like a junkie chasing the next story, the next victory. And starteds to realize that maybe its a dangerous lifestyle to live forever. Rose whats interesting about it is if you go to any hotel, there is always a designated hotel in a war zone. Thats where they all hang out. Yeah. Rose you see the same people. They had have gone from sar yaifo. And at the end, they have all, theyre closer to those people on a certain way in the same way that you know you would hear about army buddies growing up. And i think that once you have been through that kind of experience, you have more in common with the people you are working with than probably anybody else or at least you cant talk about what you just went through with any other group of people. One thing, a number of people kim included when i spoke to them about what this experience was like and about what that addiction is like. One aspect of that addiction that a number of people mentioned, is they get addicted to not having to live a regular life. You can say oh no, im not going to that cristening in new jersey because im in baghdad. And that becomes im being extremely important right now. Exactly. And they are. And that is. Dexter who i mentioned earlier is a great war reporter. Hes off all the time. He can not, and seems to me, resist going there. And i love the story. And know hes good and want to know what you do well. And thats part of the. You are aware who else is there and who else is you know, has a deadline and who else is going to do the story. And also from all those other countries as well. So it has got a flavor to it thats and theyre all have nothing in common with the local population. Uhhuh. Rose an theres Competition Among reporters and in your case its mar mar go robies case. She plays a reporter who was someone that my character idolizes when she first gets there. And they become fast friends but then there is a healthy competition that eventually turns into maybe a less healthy competition. Towards the end. She starts to realize that tonya is putting herself and others in danger in ways that kim is not good for anybody. Rose take a look at this. This is a clip. This is where kim is meeting marco robie. Here it is. Can i ask a favor, kim. Absolutely, feel free to say no. Yeah, sure. I hate to even bring it up am i feel so rude even ask asking this. Fine. Ask i use your security guy . Oh. By all men means. Dont just say that to be polite. Even nick. No, that would never happen, so youre good. You could have nick, you are seriously. Thank you, oh, thats nice. Cuz youre like seven, six, seven, in new york. Yeah. You are a nine, borderline ten. What are you here, like a 15. Yeah. Huh. Way back when in the late 1990s when she was at snl can you see who you think will go to the screen . T that just should ever be setan next to the word writer. You sound like my mother. Tina had been a performer before she got there. And she came in as a writer and rose up pretty quickly. Waiting to perform. No, i think certainly not annoyingly. Rose do you see it early, whether they have had whether they have been a performer or not . Yes. But you also can see confidence. You can sort of see when people have had enough time on stage or are feeling good about how they are out there. Rose but im thinking even someone like conan. Yeah. Rose you saw something even though he had been a writer and not a performer. He had been sort of in the groundlings and things like that. But his dream was always to be a performer. Where roberts dreams have all been met now. Yeah. Have they been met . I dont what to have this sound like it being just a writer is not just great. And so if you have that skill and so if you had that skill as much astina and seth and all the people that we know. I think its whether or not you enjoy performing. People are very good at it without dont really enjoy it. Rose like . Comedy is filled with people who are really funny and miserable all the time. Rose really . In life or it isnt a thing that brings them joy. They do it. And theyre good at it. But theyre not fun to be around or and comedy is probably too important to be left to professionals. So when you are around people who are funny, the thing that makes the most fun is when are you around people who are funny, they are kind of funny. And nothing makes people who do comedy laugh more than other people around them being funny. You like that. Rose you said adam mccay was that way. Its very funny, in the room. Funniest person in the room. That is what they said, the funniest person in the room. And adam brought tina to the show. Adam gave me my job, brought me so to snl as a writer. We were in chicago at the same time and he was on stage. Rose when are you the funniest person in the room s it simply offthecuff funny. Yeah, in adams case. A bottomless wealth. It also helps when are you adams size. Are you going to be heard. A little intimidation. You are already playing a character. Rose do you want to direct films. Do i want to direct fims. Repeat the question. Rose charlie is going to be cut out of this, just restate the question here, answer. Tina just said to restate the question. I assumed it was going to be just me. Rose why did you say that . So you could use it without me. I was repeating the question so i could process the question a little bit. Rose people always do that. Im sure. I would like to direct a movie. Who would do that, he has a bad earpiece. Not a president ial candidate. We know that. Have i directed a few Television Shows and enjoy it but it does eat you up. I like the idea of directing, it would have to cost zero dollars. I wouldnt want anyone looking over my shoulder and wanting their money back. Lorne. Rose directing will happen but not costing zero dollars. No. Rose is weekend update great training for many things, yes. For joke writing, i remember when i started working on weekend update when colin quinn was the host and i was a staff writer at snl and a few of us as a favor were pulled in to just to try to write extra jokes because they had some guys writing joke. And to try to write a joke that is a contained joke in and of itself that is not just attitude, it is a very difficult thing. So that is a great thing. Robert was the producer when jamie and i did it, so you can speak to this too. But i think also the thing that is the amazing gift about weekend update is you sit in front of the camera every week and you tell america hi, im tina fey. And you just beat it, and then the cast are working so hard but theyre in like wigs an noses and even now as a viewer sometimes im like is that kyle or who is that . And but i know joe, they tell me their names every week. The thing about weekend update at snl which sin tensely competitive environment, it is a little group, a Little Island within the show where the five of us, six of us knew we were going to get our ten minutes, our nine minutes. Its also. Or sometimes 12. It was sort of the design of the show that that would be the second start. Because there were shows that ended at 11 30 and movies that ended at midnight. So if you were just tuning in, could you catch that. And so the audience is already warmed up. The studio audience is already there. You know what kind of house it is. Which makes it much easier than opening the show. Rose if you want to see political sat tire where do you see it other than saturday night live . Well, i mean, certainly on the daily show and certainly key key peele were doing really good stuff. Jon oliver, of course. But they are doing it in a news fore mat. Im trying to think of. Sketch. I think that there is something about who is whether there is a certain kind of likability that there was, with will ferel playing george w or dana playing. Rose the father. Yeah, or dar il playing clinton there is something that in order for it to work, there has to be there has to be some charm. You cant editorialize. You have to play and bring the person to life. So if you are just editorializing them and you disapprove of them and you dont like them and you are sort of pointing at that in your performance, it wont work. So in a sense you have to commit to making the person likable even though whatever you feel personally isnt that and trust that the writing will make the other part clear. Rose so he is there. So was it easy . Were you, was that the end goal to find whatever you thought, something about this person charming or likable . With sarah palin. Rose yes. I mean we did it, you know, eight years ago now. It was a lot of us learning to figure out what is the joke, like what is true about this whole situation. I always talk about chris rock. I think is he a genius because lets take any situation and try to find something that is true, that no one has noticed and said yet that is what we were trying to do with her and mccain and figure that out. I just love that as a viewer to you play her with such good cheer all the time. There is nothing that the take is not. Thanks. She an upbeat kind of person. Rose there is a sense that you cant wait to. Because if you are just scolding, you know, then, if you are just scolding and were doing satire here, then there is no laughs and there is no fun in it. It is getting to make your own decision as the audience that sort of what we are encouraging as opposed to heres an idiot. Or heres somebody we admire. You know. Rose did you ever think you would come back doing her again . A long time, at the end of that run eight years ago i thought this is probably it is eight years ago, yeah. I am the age now that she was when we started. So last time i played her i look more like her now because im. And she came back and did it with dar il for when palin endorsed trump. A few weeks ago. On the 40th anniversary, we had that as a question. I mean she was at the 40th anniversary show. And Jerry Seinfeld was doing q a and she asked him something. She said how much will you pay me to come back and run with donald trump. You know, and that was presh yent. You know. Rose roll tape. Thank you, iowa. Oh, i wanted to take a break from my full time career of writing things on facebook, so fly down her and lend my support to the next president of the united states, donald j. Trump. Hey, america, isnt she great. Just the total package. Smart, legs, yelling, everything. I vn seen a woman this impressive since jeb bush. Im here for all you teachers and team steres, you farmers and charmers, whether you are a mom or 2 broke girls or 3 men and a baby, or a rock n roller, holy roller, pushing stroller, probowler with an abscess molar. Shes a fire cracker. Shes the real pistol. Shes crazy, isnt she . Rose that is palin, isnt it . I just think about dale making that jacket, the Wardrobe Team had to make that jacket because they couldnt find it. You said about the voice, voice in kreetding character is crucial, yes . Yes. Rose and you just practice, practice, practice. I would just watch tapes, watch that thing over and over and really try to match pitch. I tried to do things that i had seen dar il hammond for years, who is so truly gifted at that stuff, and just, yeah. Rose you said genius for chris. Chris is generally considered to be a genius at this. Yeah. Is he the real thing, yeah. Rose is it his ability i mean what is it, is it delivery or is it just. Well, will tell unpleasant things to an audience really who isnt interested in hearing it, but he will do it with charm and it will be truly funny, you know. And it isnt always popular. He just goes into the areas where its easy to whip a crowd up who agree with you. You know, or to find what it is they want to hear and tell them that. I think hes hes a truth teller, and certainly in both communities. You know. He doesnt spare anyone. Rose you gave him high marks for the oscars. Yeah. That was really good. Rose this is another clip from the film. Here it is. Billy bob thornton and tina fey. Are you familiar with the term 4104, miss bairk t refers to women who are 4s back home become 10es when they ship out and when they are back state side they become 4s again. Are you saying im a four. Im saying you carry an orange backpack. I have seen people with Actu