Demeans and lessens lgbt americans am i hope this gives them pause. I think you will see changes maybe around the edges am jim comey is a good man. He said today he will reexamine the process i think ten months is a relatively short period of time for an investigation in the federal government. Perhaps there should be another category pending or whatever, that you call it, when one of these preliminary investigations is done. And also that if, in fact, youve been investigated by the fbi there should be some no taition in the Database Base as far as hey, this individual has been investigated. Even though the case has been closed, i think it would warrant at least an inquirery or a notice to the bureau before the gun itself is given to the individual. Rose understanding orlando when we continue. Funding for charlie rose is provided by the following captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose tonight we examine the attack that took place in orlando, florida. 50 people died including the gunman who was shot by police swat team. Was the deadliest massounded. Shooting in american history. At around 2 a. M. On sunday, the assailant omar mateen opened fire inside a crowded gay nightclub. The gunman was a 29 year old american citizen of afghan desent. He called 911 and claimed allegiance to isis as the assault unfolded. Shortly thereafter isis used social media to claim credit for the attacks. In a speech this morning president o bma spoke about the challenges of home groan extremism. Certainly an example of the kind of homegrown eck dreamism that all of us have been so extremism that all of us have been so concerned about for a very long time. Rose mateen was the sunt of two fbi investigations in 2013 and 2014. Fbi director james comey said no stone would be left unturned in the search for answers. We will continue to look forward in this investigation and backward. We will leave no stone unturned. And we will work all day and all night to understand the path to that terrible night. Were also going to look hard at our own work to see whether there was something we should have done differently. So far the honest answer is, i dont think so. I dont see anything in reviewing our work that our agents should have done differently but well look at it in an open and transparent way. Other with looking for needles in a nationwide hey stake where we are also called upon to figure out which pieces of hey might some day become needles. That is hard work. If we can find a way to do that better we will. Rose joining me is ray kelley, a former commissioner of the new york police department, frank bruny of the new york times, from washington matt olson the former director of the National Counterterrorism center and from orlando, josh elliott of cbs news. Joining us later from washington from the new york times, im pleased to have all of them on the program. Let me begin with josh, you were there on the scene am you have been there all day, we were together this morning. Tell me what we know at this point and what are the questions that are remaining. Well, charlie, you did mention that we did know, of course, that upon being forced back inside in the series of firefights with police that he, the shooter omar ma teen would take refuge in that bathroom where he then took hostages, that hostage crisis lasted for a bit of time. In speaking, though, with or landa police chief john mina today, i asked him what it was that lead officials to make the decision to go in and storm the building. And he said in part that it was the lack of demands on the part of mateen. That he wasnt looking for anything. He made some oblique references to having suicide vests. They believed he might force his hostages to wear them. But that his calm demeanor and his lack of interest in any further discussion left him left them, rather, no choice. They made that decision, of ortly after 5 a. M. Am qui also tell that you as we big further into mateens life the orlando sentinel, the paper of record here in the city have spoken to several eye witnesses who say that they actually have seen omar mateen frequent the pulse nightclub in question, as many as a dozen times. They said at times he would sit by himself but at other times he would become drunk, loud and we lige rant. That he would talk and say some rather awful things about his father and that he would also tell patrons that he had a wife and child. So again as officials here dig deeper into a portrait of omar mateen we also know why they made that fateful decision to go into the pulse nightclub and end a massacre that, as you mentioned, was the deadliest mass shooting in u. S. History. Rose josh, do we know what they found when they went to his house and searched his house. Evidently he was not someone that removed everything from his computer and from his cell phone. We know only that the materials in question, the computers, the cell phones have been removed. Although they have not been forth coming with exactly what they found. Again, we heard director comey saying that they would leave no stone unturned. We were told repeatedly today that its still just too early in the investigation to have any solid answers with regard to what they may have found regarding him. I also talked to the police chief about possible radicalization on the part of his father, sadiq mateen. He was a host of essentially a cable access show in on a californiabased chan theal allowed him to express very Strong Political views, including some very strong support of the afghan taliban. There is belief that perhaps sadiq mateens beliefs influenced his son. And as we see, ultimately murder irous ways. Rose thank you very much, josh, well be back. Ray kelley, former commissionerrer of the new york police department. D they go in when they wentyfor ats what were talking about. Going into the bathroom by taking a bear cat and smashing through the wall. I think what the chief says is valid. This individual, were told, talked about having a suicide vest. He talked about having explosives. And i think the fact that he didnt make demands that were significant indicated that he knew he was going to die. So all things considered, i think they made the right decision. I would like to know with more specificity what happened during those two to three hours. What types of conversation. All we have is a report that he said he had a suicide vest, that sort of thing. Rose eric has joined us from new york, the new york times. Tell us what you see and what you know about what they are investigating and what they are discovering. Well, the main thing the fbi is looking at is whether or not he had any help. Was he just a lone wolf as first indications appear or could there have been some tactical support either from overseas or from others in florida. So far the answer from director comey today was they think he might have been inspired by isis overseas. He was acting alone. Rose inspired meaning also though that he could have accessed some kind of plan, some kind of guidance as to how to go about this kind of murderous plot. Not so much tactically but more but more social media, antiamerican rhetoric online from isis. Ideology more than tactical operations. What they are finding is that his ideology went sort of acrosstheboard. Isis on the one hand, hezbollah and alqaeda, often islamic groups with different and sometimes competing interests. And at various times he aligned himself with all of them at different times. Matt, the fbi said, and director comey said and acknowledged that they had investigated him. What should we have expected from an investigation like that. Really, well, it sounds like from director comeys comments that in 2013, it started with basically a tip or a report from coworkers about statements that mateen had made. And you know, perfectly appropriate and i think justifiable for the fbi to take that seriously and do the things that they reportedly did. Which included looking at some of his contacts, talking to other people, actually interviewing mateen. Generally the fbi is instructed to undertake the least intrusive means based on the information they had. And they did that, it sounds like, up to a point where they no longer had information that indicated he was a threat, that would continue, or would justify continued investigation. And it appears at that point they closed the investigation. Rose okay, frank, what do we know about why he chose this place. There is a suggestion he was actually looking at different gay clubs. He clearly chose this place because there were lgbt people in there. And he hated what they represented. He hated them in particular. But was interesting, is while he was targeting them, this is someone who clearly was targeting all of the diversity of america, all of the freedoms of america. There has been some extraordinary interviews. His exwife is a former coworker in which the coworker said he was constantly ranting about women in particular, religious minorities. This is somebody who really hated diversity itself. He seemed particularly set off by lgbt people. There was a comment from his father, i believe, about him having been disgusted recently about him being when he saw two men kissing. He was looking for a place to make that statement, not just pulse, according to the reporting that i have read, but that was one of the places in consideration and where he ended up going. Rose when you see him and when you read about him, what else does it say to you, the profiles you have seen of him . I dont know. I am going to be as rivetted as all of us to the news over the next couple of days. I think because they have been able to access his home, because we will see computer stuff and cell phone stuff, i think well know an enormous amount about him by the end of the week and have a much fuller picture about what drove him to this point. He is clearly to some degree just purely mad. How that madness ended up translating into the deadliest mass shooting in american history, we have more questions right now than answers. Rose it has also been reported that he went to saudi arabia in 2011 and 2012, going to saudi arabia by no definition simply suggests anything radical or terroristic. But at the same time when someone does this kind of act, you look at everything he has done as we did in the boston case. Thats right. And at the time that the fbi had the investigation, they would have looked at any information they had about his travel. And they would have worked with, for example, Saudi Intelligence Services to see if there was anything there. As frank bruny said, well learn a lot more about this individual over the next, really, the next couple of weeks. But right now it looks like, you know, his radicalization was really based on an incoherent set of influences. Its not clear that it really was isisinspired as much as, you know, at the very end there he claimed his allegiance to isis. But he claimed he has associations with other ideologies as well. So we will learn a lot more going forward. I think he went on the handle when he went to saudi arabia. Thats right. Rose when you look at this, does it look like by definition something he had carefully plafned sh in terms of the weapons he used, in terms of how he approached it, in terms of the number of people he killed. Well, certainly, if he had gone to, before, which we have just heard, that looks like an element of planning. He went. He bought the ar15. Then he bought a handgun from the same store within a weeks time. So clearly it is something that was in his head. I think well find, hopefully well find from his emails or whatever, more information about the runup to this event. But the fact that he was able to go into this club and shoot and hit a hundred people is amazing. And it is a relatively short period of time. Rose and kill 49. Kill 49, its its amazing that he was able to do that. We know he had training as a shooter, as a security guard. Did he go to a range, did he practice before he did this, we dont know. But just horrific, the number of hits that he had in a relatively short period of time. Rose eric, what do we know . Terms of the information about him as to motive. Well, the biggest question mark seems to be the antigay hatred. And we asked the fbi director about this today. He says obviously that appears to be a motive but they dont have a lot of information so far about where exactly that stems from. It seems to be sort of a scattershot hatred of, as frank suggested, of diversity in general. Whether or not he had a particularly in for gays as his father suggested with the scene of seeing two men kiss. Or you know, could it have been antihispanic because this was latin night at the bar. I think the fbi is still in an early stage at looking at all of that. I just want to pick up on something that ray said, amazing its number of people that the gunman hit. Not so amazing when you have an assault weapon at your disposal. And we sometimes skip over this because we have had this conversation so many times. But we really need once again as a country to ask the question of why it is so easy for people like this gunman to end up with assault weapons. And whether when we talk about the right to bear arms and whether we talk about the right to defend yourself whether were talking about civilians, about every american being able to access assault weapons as opposed to something else. It is amazing that many people were killed. Horrifying. Amazing and horrifying that many other people were shot. Is that not directly related to the type of weaponry at his disposal. Sure. This type of weapon has an external clip. Assuming 30 rounds, nobody has sume he had five. Clips but lets he had to have at least a hundred rounds of ammunition with him to hit all the people he hit. You can reload very quickly. Thats what really stand this weapon apart from other weapons, a hunting rifle, or whatever. Is the fact that you load it from the bottom and you can have a 30 round trip. And it is a semiautomatic. It is pretty well, i think determined as a semi, he had a semiautomatic rifle. But you can pull the trigger very, very quickly and get those rounds out which he obviously did. Its worth pointing out that the ar15 has been the weapon of choice in almost all of the recent mass shooting in america. And today we saw here in washington again the familiar debate over whether or not there should be increased gun restrictions and well see that over the next few weeks as a result of this. Rose matt, tell me what they are saying in terms of on the website of terrorist organizations, or in fact in the chat thary we may know about, in social media. We know that isis through its news agency essentially claimed credit for this, almost in the immediate aftermath of the shooting. Calling mateen a fighter. It is interesting, you know, they have referred to other attackers using similar terms. The paris attackers as soldiers, the San Bernardino attackers as supporters. This is the isis playbook, especially these attacks that really arent linked back to isis in terms of isis controlling or directing, where they basically take credit for it. And then that spreads out on social media through twitter and the many twitter accounts associated with isis where isis followers applaud this type of violence. So that is what is happening on social media today. Rose do we know anything more about the conversation that he had when he called 9 11 in the midst of the shooting. We know a little bit more today from the fbi director. The tapes themselves had not been released but the chronology from jim comey was that first he called about 2 30, about a half hour after he went in. He apparently had already begun shooting, called 911 and hung up. Then called back and spoke briefly with the dispatcher, affirming his allegiance to isis, to the islamic state. Hung up again fairly quickly. The dispatcher called him back a third time, so for a bit more, and then hung up again. So there was a total of three calls in which he pledged his allegiance to isis and to al baghdadi, the leader of isis. But of course well be waiting to see if and when those tapes are released for the full account. Rose this seems to be a different case, and help me to understand if im wrong, and we will have more information and more understanding of the mind of, and the inquirery of, in terms of social media, because of everything. He seemed in no interest to wipe out his record. Apparently not, no. One of the things were going to learn which i think is very important, a lot of attention is being paid right now to what the fbi looked at and then moved on from. And whether there was any flaw in that procedure. There were a lot of other people in this mans life who heard the way he talked. Who observed his behavior. Rose two wives, a father. A and a coworker who has spoken extensively with the media who said he was continue allly lodging complaints to the bosses, if i have this correct, to the security company. I think we should all look very carefully at what we learn and ask ourselves questions about whether, you know, were all paying the proper vij lens. Whether were listening carefully to and observing the things around us. Rose you are the commissioner of the new York City Police department. You are the police chief in los angeles, san francisco, chicago or anywhere else in america, and you know this happened, part of the work is intelligence. And trying to figure out who is respect, part of it, respecting constitutional rights. What else . Do police have to do now. Part of what you have to do is sort of raise th comfort level, particularly with certain communities. Obviously Lgbt Community. Rose do you have people today saying im scared to go out now. You have to meet with them. I think you have to put Additional Resources at key locations. I think you have to meet with other communities as well. Obviously the muslim community. Now in new york city there is an Advisory Board of leaders that Police Commissioner will meet with, other members of the department will meet with. But you will see, and you see already in new york, you will see a significant uniform presence on the streets. Thats unlike other cities because new york quite frankly can afford it. Its the Biggest Police department in the country. So lots of communication. Obviously plugging into intelligent channels. The nypd here and other cities worked very close with the fbi in the joint Terrorism Task force construct. As for the most information come frtion these days. So you know, you get any information you can. But you have to try to sort of comfort those communities more specifically concerned. Rose josh, everybody who is in the media in orlando this morning and yesterday and today and tonight and tomorrow, are talking to the victims. What are they lz saying about how they saw it and what happened and the experience, the horrific experience of having someone with the kind of firepower he did shooting as fast as he could. We have heard variations of the same t