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KQED Charlie Rose June 17, 2016

Foreign language that was of more concern. Then he came back and he was requesting ammo. Reporter able says his employees were so concerned they called the fbi. Authorities say the gun store was not able to provide them with a name. On the night of the shooting an official familiar with the time line tells cbs news that mateen was active on social media before and during the rampage. Time records show that prior to the shoot magazineteen posted on facebook, alliance to isis leader abu al baghdadi. Then after the shooting began, mateen paused and sources say he searched for pulse, orlando, and shooting. Perhaps to see if a massacre was trendk online. He also made calls to 911 and to a television staitionz about the ongoing shooting. Investigators are focusing on what role mateens woif might have played in the attack. She has been cooperating. But officials believe she had some knowledge of an attack and will likely face some charges. School records show that omar mateen was a troubled child and a disciplinary problem. He was suspended for 48 total days while in high school. Most were for fighting and other ruleviolations. In an application for a College Criminal Justice program, mateen wrote that he wanted a career in Law Enforcement as far back as 2004. He wrote that in 9th grade i got into a fight with a fellow student in class. I was expelled. He admitted he had been arrested and the subject of a criminal investigation. But did not elaborate. He also admitted to using marijuana and steroids. In 2007 mateen was dismissed from a job at the Florida Department of corrections. It is unclear why. The fbi is talking to other family members including mateens father, scott, a former boss tells cbs news that pateen told her he could quote do nothing right in his fathers eyes and that his father complained that he didnt have any direction in his life. She also said a fellow employee told her mateen became quote crazy and violent when he drank. Jeff pegu es in washington, thank you. Cbs news has now obtained a video of the scene inside the nightclub, as people hid from the gunman. Heres jamie yukas. This grainy cell phone video captures the horror from inside the bims bathroom as omar pateen went on a shooting rampage nearby. It was recorded while more than a dodz people squeezed into one stall. Some of them already shot, sharing a glass of water, trying to keep each other calm and quiet so they would not be heard by the gunman. Migel filmed this video. We had to be quiet because everybody whose phone was ringing, any noise he heard he was going in that direction and shooting people and killing them. Reporter they huddled for three hours refusing pateens orders to step out. It was really hot in there. The smell of blood and just dead bodies everywhere. Reporter outside the building, swat commander captain mark canty planned a rescue. During that entire time period officers were rescuing ings to get people out. Oing got a lot of people out before that last breach. Those trapped in the bathroom had no escape route. And as they desperately texted their families and police, the hostages became the swat teams main focus. Recording the video was in case, i didnt think i was going to make it, i thought i was going to die. I figured you know what, somebody has no to know what really happened. We knew they were in the bathroom, we knew, we thought there would be some in the bathroom. Some in the bathroom across the hall am we were et going information there were people in other rooms inside the club. Reporter finally cantys team moved in, breaching a wall with a front end loader. There was a shootout. Mateen was shot dead. And those who were still alive were dragged to safety. Angel colon had been shot five times and was one of the last people to get out. Im one of the ones that helped you. Reporter today he met his hero, officer omar del gado. I just saw him, his glasses, help me, please. And when he was dragging me out, can i just look up in time, just hurry, please hurry, go, hurry. Reporter this public memorial as become so important to the city of orlando that with rain now coming down, they protected it with plastic. Scott, grief counselors are not just making themselves available to family and friends of the victims and survivors but to anyone in this community who need help with this tragedy. Rose and here is more from president obamas speech. Four days ago this community was shaken by an evil and hateful act. Today we are reminded of what is good. That there is compassion, and empathy, and de sensey. Is he sensee and most of all there is love. That is the orlando that weve seen in recent days and that is the america that we have seen. We will continue to be relentless against terrorist groups like isil and alqaeda. We are going to destroy them. We are going to disrupt their networks and their fansing, and the flow of fighters. In and out of were going to disrupt their propaganda that poisons so many minds around the world. Were going to do all that. Our resolve is clear. But given the act that fact that the last two terrorist attacks on our soil, orlando and San Bernardino were home grown, carried out t appears, not by external plotters, not by vast networks, or sophisticated cells, but by deranged individuals warped by the hateful propaganda that they had seen over the internet, that were going to have to do more to prevent these kinds of events from occurring. Its going to take more than just our military. Its going to require more than just our intelligence. As good as they are, as dedicated as they are, as focused as they are, if you have lone wolf attacks like this, hatched in the minds of a disturbed person, then were going to have to take different kinds of steps in order to prevent Something Like this from happening. Now those who were killed and injured here were gunned down by a single killer with a powerful assault weapon. The motives of this killer may have been different than the mass shooters in aurora or newtown. But the instruments of death were so similar. And now another 49 innocent people are dead. Another 53 are injured. Some are still fighting for their lives. Some will have wounds that will last a lifetime we cant anticipate or catch every single deranged person that may wish to do harm to his neighbors or friends or coworkers or strangers. But we can do something about the amount of damage that they do. Unfortunately, our politics have con spired to make it as easy as possible for a terrorist or just a disturbed individual like those in aurora and newtown. To buy extraordinarily powerful weapons. And they can do so legally. Rose also this evening Joshua Cooper ramo, his book is called the seventh sense, power, fortune and survival in the age of networks. I wanted to try to understand the question i was interested in is, first of all, whats the scale of what we are going through now. Having come particularly from the world of journalism where we have seen the incredible upheaval that happened in that space because of technology, and you look at so many different worlds and you see them being changed by connectivity, i wanted to understand what was going on inside these connected systems. Why was it some people had to look at a connected system and see the dynamics. Rose we conclude with dag kittlaus, the founder of viv and also the man who created siri and then sold it to apple. Now were talking about our official intelligence in more of a wikipedia like following. Where anyone can decide that they want to build something be it a large company, a bank can create a new way to interact with their own customers or any individual can go in and plug in johnies soccer schedule. Which field is the game on, on saturday. So the difference there is that this system is built from the ground up to be able to handle the world of people and developers to teach and that of course allows for that explosion of capabilities. President o bma in orlando, Joshua Cooper ramo and dag kittlaus when we continue. Funding for charlie rose is provided by the following and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Joshua cooper ramo is here, cochief executive officer and vice chairman of kissinger associates. He began his career as a journalist and was the youngest Foreign Editor in Time Magazine history. His new book the seventh sense power fortune and survival in the age of networks qutionz. It explores the way a rapidly connected world will shape the future. Im pleased to have Joshua Cooper ramo at this table again. Welcome. Pleasure to be here. Rose let me ask this. So why did leave journalism. What is wrong with you. Exactly. I ask myself that many times. You know, i love being a journalist. I love being Foreign Editor of time, particularly for walter isaacson. I had the kind of personality that i wanted to go deep. I had a little bit of maybe an academic streeblg in my personality. As i looked around the world and saw what was going on, i said you know, it would be fascinating to know more about china. I moved there. What i could never have anticipated is i would fall in love with the country, that it would be as gripping as it is, that i would have the chance to do what i wanted to do. But everything i wanted when i left journalism which was to really understand the complex why do you think that. I think when i looked around the world. Hi been the tech editor of time, and i had seen what happens when you have a giant force that emerges in just totally changes the rules of the game. And i loved. As did you in technology. As i did in technology. I loved covering that. It was an incredible experience as a journalist. I looked around the world and said what stories are there like this. In 2 thousand and 2001 it seemed china was likely to be that. You about you went over there to do what . I went over there just knowing i wanted to leave journalism. You wanted to dig down. Get into the commercial world. And so i also knew i needed to learn to speak the language. So i took a year sab at kal, studied chinese eight hours a day and didnt know what i would do at the end of it. I was luckily to get an advisory job working with john thornton, i spent a couple of years with john and henry. He had the commitment to china. Very deep. An henry who i think is the iconic westerner in thinking about china offered me a partnership in his firm and that was not anything i was going to say no to. Since then its just been an incredible information. How much of your time is spent there. I used to be there 70, 80 of the time, since i became coc. E. O. , that is down to maybe 40 of the time. I still have that feeling. I never feel like i dont want to get on the plane to china it is the most interesting place in the world. And it has not changed. That level of interest. Right, first of all, you know its much more interesting as a story now. It just gets more complex and more interesting. Before i moved to china, somebody gave this advice. They said as important as being by lingual is being by cultural. And that advice changed everything. I mean all of my friends that are chinese, i spend time with expats. Every time i go back there you feel are you reentering this incredible puzzle that is fascinating. The emergence of a new superpower is kind of a once every two or three hundred years phenomenon in the International System. It is not clear how this one will work out. But the chance to sort of observe that from zero distance nge is really very special and historical experience. St an interesting point. It is going to be disruptive but we dont know what the all the ramifications are. Thats right. And i think we dont have an intellectual model it is one thing to think about, people tend to an all giez to the emergence of germany and the position of britain a hundred years ago. But the industrial world rules a power very different from those from an informational world. We cant an all giez. There are things to learn from those examples but the background in which this is happening, is not an environment where nothing is changing. In fact possibly part of the largest revolution since the entity enlightment. Rose one of the this interesting things, you talked about the culture and the cultural differences, your closeness to henry kissinger, hes also emphasized in conversations with me, understanding the cultural place. Yeah. Rose that political leaders come from. Absolutely. And the psychological. Have i never found somebody who is a more acute student of psychology than henry. That was one of the things when i started working there which is most surprising to me. The amount of time i spent trying to understand what is the landscape he spends what is the historical landscape, the intellectual landscape, the Cultural Landscape in which somebody operateds. That is important from his diplomatic perspective because the stakes are so high when he is thinking about grands strategy questions. But it totally changes the way you look at a problem. You dont look at a commercial problem you because our firm is a commercial firm, you try to understand the context in which it is embedded. It turns out that happens to be the key to success for any likely to succeed commercial project in china is better informed if it has that background. Rose what is the product of your firm. The product of our fimple, i think, is helping people navigate, particularly i say in china, complex commercial transactions. So it is as you probably know. Rose to understand the dynamics. And figure out structurally it is a dynamic, rapidly changing environment there. And to find ways to have commercial arrangements of scale that are longterm sustainable and benefit everybody, takes an understanding of the partners, takes an understanding of the environment, takes an understanding of sometimes tactical issues like what are going on in terms of tax structures and regulations am but if part of the process of the chinese evolution. I dont think there is any more interesting way to kind of take the pulse of the country than to be doing deal there and having watched a decade and a half of the evolution of what a transaction in china looks like today as opposed to 15 years ago. Rose theyre much more open today . Yeah, so its less in certain areas much more open. I think you are seeing the emergence of chinese firms that are and Chinese Business executives. Some of them you have had here who are much more capable as operators of businesses than when i moved there 15 years ago. So just the general maturity of the system is growing. Having said that, it is in the midst of the most complicated Economic Reform Program in Human History. Having lifted 400 Million People out of poverty that now have this problem of how do you get more and more people into the middle class. Rose but they bring with them demands which drives your economy. All of it. And that kind of feedback, this is what is really interesting. The minute you get out of beijing or shanghai in particular and see what is going on in other parts of the country and watch the kind of feeds of reform trying to kind of come out of the ground and grow, you really get a sense of both pot tension of the economy but also the incredible challenges that lie ahead. Rose tell me about the seventh sense. The subtitle, power, fortune and sur rival in survival in the age of networks. We have gone through an industrial revolution, the information revolution and it therefore has created new shaping institutions, alliances, and relationships which have more impact, you argue, than any other sort of element. Yeah, i wanted to try to understand, the question i was interested in is first of all what is the scale of what we are going through now . Having come particularly from the world of journalism where we have seen incredible upheaval that happened in that space because of technology and you look at so many different worlds and you see them being changed by connectivity, i wanted to understand ba was going on inside these connected systems and why was it some people had to look at a connected system and see the dynamics. So connected systems, a network of any kind is any set of connected points so that can be people. It can be voters. It can be citizens of new york, it can be businesses that operate in bitcoin. We live in a world where you are seeing an explosion of these interconnected linked meshes. In some cases very different interests but the idea is that you have many systems that are now kind of operating together. And they often create surprising results. If we sat here a year ago and said who is most likely to be the republican nominee, would you have thought the guy with two president s in the family and four decades of political experience and connections to the republican party. Exactly. As opposed to the guy with 5 million twitter followers and Reality Television show background. That represented a connection to a set of networks that were largely invisible to the way of thinking. So if you want to explain them, would you argue from that. If you want to explain Donald Trumps success in the republican primaries, you explain his reliance on twitter as a means of communication because it created its own Trump Network within twitterdom. Thats right. Not just that but the particular nature, we know networks crave certain things. For instance one thing is that constanceee. We are all now constantly checking our exmail or facebook, if we think about Financial Markets they move instantly. Rose we think about what is trending today. Right what is the latest thing that happens. It is important when we talk about networks, its not just the internet. One of the things the Networks Want is constant update. Trumps ability to be always in the headlines, to use twitter to stay at the top of peoples news feeds. Rose it is interesting now, the polls out in the last couple of days as we taped this on wednesday afternoon, it is that there is a growing gap between secretary clinton and donald trump. This is what will make this election so interesting. As you start to see networks growing opposed to the Trump Network, it really is a battle of networks. One of the things people say about networks is it takes a network to defeat a network. And one way to understand this election, just almost understand anything these days

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