Good way to do it. Why not bring the c. I. A. Back into it so you have both agencies working more closely on this fight . Glor we conclude with danny boyle, director of the the film, t2 trainspotting. Movies are about time. When we got in the editing, you realize what movies are. Its the ultimate art form is for the study of time. All you do in editing, you know this, you compress it, extend it, make it vanish, you stop it or start it again, and its this control of time all the time, over the audiences two hours of time that they give you, that its the perfect art form for it. Glor healthcare, drones and the trainspotting sequel when we continue. Rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by the following and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose good evening. Im. Jeff glor filling in for charlie rose. We look at the g. O. P. Health care bill. The Congressional Budget Office released its assessment of the republican proposal known as the American Health care act, said to reduce the federal budget by 3 billion but leave 24 million americans uncovered in the same period and said to replace the Affordable Care act. Joining me is Max Ehrenfreund of the Washington Post and Jim Tankersley of vox. Welcome to both of you and max, let me start with you. The c. B. O. Report here has now had more than 24 hours to marinate in washington. Hows it sitting . Well, its not sitting especially well, to be quite honest. There are a number of moderate republican lawmakers whose votes will be very important for getting this bill passed who are worried about the fact that c. B. O. Projects, as you said, some 24 million more americans could be uninsured at the end of the decade if its enacted as planned. And thats definitely a concern for the republican leadership. On the other side, there are hard line republicans who are really concerned about the fact that, although the bill does decrease the deficit by about 337 billion over ten years, that thats probably not enough for them, and they would like to see greater reduction in government borrowing. Glor but, max, the white house knew the uninsured number would be a big number which is why they started pushing back over the weekend. Yeah, i think thats right. It wasnt necessarily a surprise some people will become uninsured if this bill is enacted. Republicans said for a look time they want to reduce spending on federal healthcare, and health care isnt free so implies more persons will have to pay for themselves or go without. That was ant surprise. I think the c. B. O. Setting it in black and white made the issue real for republicans. Theyre having to confront it publicly, theyre being asked about it by reporters and constituents as well so theyre investigate think about it in having to think about it in a way they didnt before. This is a challenge taking on the nonpartisan c. B. O. , headed by a conservative economist, handpicked by republicans. This would seem to be a tough row to hoe. Its a little bit like arguing with the refs in a basketball game. You can make cases in the margins at the theyre doing things you would not have done, you would not have called the fouls in that way but at the end of the day they are the arbiters of washington and have been for a long time. So republicans have had several strategies, it appears, for how to counter this. The white house has tried to undermine the cent of c. B. O. Paul ryan talked about how this is not as bad of a score as he was expecting. There are a bunch of different reactions, but they all boil down to the fact is they are reckoning not so much with a particularly analysis from c. B. O. But with a reality of lost coverage. Whether you think its going to be 24 million or 20 million or however you want to slice it, whether other analyses the white house might produce. The white house might produce its own, for example. They have to reckon with the role possibility, the very likelihood donald trump will not make good on his promise to insure more people not fur and thats the central problem theyll run into. Glor we should point out the c. B. O. Has always had a tough time predicting the future. Sure,ways all do. But health care is actually, to get a little bit nerdy about this, health care is particularly tricky to model and the c. B. O. Was wrong about certain ways that individuals, companies and marketplaces would react to the Affordable Care act after it was passed. That said, c. B. O. Did a better job than pretty much anybody in getting in the ballpark on that. So, again, i dont think we should treat 24 million as a hard, fast, the this is absolutely whats going to happen number, but we should consider that to be, you know, part of a range, a point in a range of possibilities, all of which look very bad for republicans as they try to push a bill that they say is going to improve access not restrict it. Glor max, as the push continues, paul ryan wants to do it quickly, the president wanted to do it quickly. Right now it doesnt seem like its going to happen quickly. No, i dont think so. There have also been requests from some in the senate, especially senator tom cotton, a republican, who asked the leadership in the house to slow things down and try to take another crack at the baseball here to address some of the concerns that c. B. O. Has raised. But i think jims point is a good one. Its very difficult to see how republicans will be able to revise this bill to avoid the fact that, you know, millions of americans would become uninsured under the republican plan. Its part of what republicans are trying to do which is reduce the role of government in the healthcare sector, one of the most important sectors of the economy. When that happens, seems very likely that, you know, more people will be uninsured. Glor jim, who wins if a bill like this moves forward . There are a few big winners. Obviously the wealthy are the biggest winner because there are a lot of tax cuts for them in this bill. One way you can look at it is this is a bill that reduces taxes mostly on the rich about 600 billion over a decade and more than th funds that by redug spending on the poor. So if youre rich, youre going to pay lower taxes and you really didnt need government help buying healthcare anyway. The sneaky other winner in this, though, are upper middle class americans, people who made too much money if youre an individual from 50,000 to 75,000 a year, you werent getting help from obamacare to buy health insurance. You actually will get help from this bill, c. B. O. Pointed out in the score. So while that help will decline over time in terms of how far it goes to help you buy healthcare, it still is something in there for a group we didnt think would be a big winner in this plan. Glor max, sean spicer talked today about this being one of three prongs when it comes to getting the Health Care Legislation through or repealed and replaced. What are the other prongs were talking about . The two other prongs sean spicer are referring to is first the possibility for regulatory action by the Trump Administration. Not to change the law but to change the way at the the current law is implemented and try to move the Health Care System in a more marketoriented direction, thats what they are planning to do. The third prong is republicans are saying somehow they are going to come up with 60 votes in the senate and move a bipartisan bill that will address some of the more technical questions in health care relation that do not relate to the budget or deficit and are subject to a democratic filibuster. Senator cotton pointed out it seems like republicans will not be able to get the 60 votes in the senate to pursue the third prong without a filibuster. On the second prong, well have to wait to see what the courts say because democras will seek to move back whatever trump is doing through the judiciary. Glor and whether tom cotton on rand paul, was the white house expecting the Senate Resistance . Thats a good question. I think they certainly should have been expecting it. Certainly the intent of republicans in repealing the Affordable Care act, the kind of system that they wanted has been clear for a long time. Rooms describe their plans in a white paper over the summer that speaker ryan and some of the colleagues in the house put together. So its always been clear what republicans hope to do, and its always been clear some republicans would not like that plan, this is not necessarily a plan that would easily unite the party. Perhaps republicans spent a lot of time, especially President Trump and his allies, saying this process of repeal will be easy and perhaps, to some derricks they started to believe their own rhetoric on that point, but its justne been true. Glor jim, can you talk about the dynamic right now between paul ryan whos trying to lead this and trying to convince folks in the senate to go along . Both that relationship and the continuing and long and interesting relationship between the speaker and the president. The speaker of the house has not been a particularly attractive job in washington for quite a while now. Were seeing why at the moment. Paul ryan is caught between several different political forces. On one hand you have the tom cottons and ted cruzs of the world who are very concerned this bill is not conservative enough, not doing enough to enact marketbased solutions conservatives believe will help americans buy health care for themselves. On the other hand, you have senators and some moderate republicans who are worried about big coverage losses highlighted by c. B. O. And who will probably push for more ways to guard against that sort of coverage loss, which then makes the conservatives the more conservative members even more upset. Then you have the president who has promised a bunch of things that are frankly not possible to deliver all at once given the bill that he is starting with. So you have Donald Trumps big plans that everyones going to pay less for health care and everyones going to be covered, and you have two different ways of looking at that in the house and senate, and paul ryan is stuck trying to make all of that into a bill that can pass and not just pass but be something republicans can defend and be proud of going into future elections. Do we have a sense now jim of how similar this bill is to what paul ryan was dreaming of years ago . I think there is big differences. I think the real reasons for that is because this is going through that reconciliation process to try to avoid a filibuster. Look, what republicans really would like, in particular what the party base and what paul ryan as inherent of free market philosophy really believes in is the idea of really getting government out of ct, creating competition, allowing insurers to sell new and different proctors so every american can afford health care to some degree. The market will solve the problem. This bill doesnt do tat to the extent paul ryan or other conservatives would like if they didnt have to run through that hoop to avoid the filibuster. Glor jim talks about reconciliation and you wrote about the challenges republicans have with reconciliation right now. Thats right. In that respect, the c. B. O. Score published monday did give republicans an important reason to breathe a sigh of relief. If the c. B. O. Had said, this bill is going to increase the deficit, if this bill is going to force the government to borrow more money, seems the bill would have been subject to a democratic phil buster in the senate and basically the whole project would have been ended at that point. Instead the c. B. O. Said this bill is likely to save the government 30 billion a year or so and, as a result of that, republicans can move ahead with a plan to avoid a filibuster. But as we have been discussing, there are serious challenges. Glor what happens next . A budget markup, a big hearing in the House Wednesday where theyre going to keep moving this thing forward in the house. Lets stop and appreciate just how fast this bill is moving for something that doesnt appear to have, from the outside, a ton of grassroots support and does not have a lot of Interest Groups or big players in washington behind it, but what it does have is the leadership in congress and, it appears, the force, to some degree, of the presidency. So its going to keep moving through congress. Eventually, it will come to a floor vote and then i think well see the really big challenges. Can they keep enough to have the freesm caucus, the most conservative members to get it through there . If they kick it through the senate, it will have to change dramatically to get through the senate. These are high hurdles, but they keep it moving as quickly as republicans can toward some sort of outcome. Glor one of the selling points was the dealmaking. How much of this what is his role right now . Is it a light or heavy touch behind the scenes . From what we understand its a light touch and very much behind the scenes. I note when Speaker Paul Ryan went to his home state of wisconsin to announce the bill last week, President Trump did not go with him and it was Vice President pence. Some people in the white house, im not sure, but seems as though perhaps some people in the white house are wary of associating trump too closely with a bill that could very well fail ultimately. So we heard that trump is meeting with conservative lawmakers, he is trying to get them on board with this project, and, so far, at least, were not sure if that effort will be successful on trumps part, were not sure if hell be able to deliver on being the dealmaker that he said he was during the campaign. Glor because it was tagged obamacare and president obama came to embrace that term eventually, but now he said its trumpcare. Thats right and today sean spicer the press secretary said trump did not want this bill to be called trumpcare which raises the question of how seriously trump is supporting it publicly or behind the scenes. Glor Max Ehrenfreund of the Washington Post and Jim Tankersley of vox. Thank you both very much. Thank you. Glor we continue this evening with a look at the new policy on drone strikes. President trump has reportedly loosened obama era restrictions applicable to targeted killings outside active war zones. The changes give greater autonomy to the c. I. A. And the pentagon to conduct Counterterrorism Operations. Joining me is greg jaffe of the Washington Post and Gordon Lubold of the wall street journal. Gordon, what is new about this and why is the white house doing this . Mr. Trump visited the c. I. A. The first day after being inaugurated and got briefed and then thing soon thereabouts provided essentially an informal authority to the c. I. A. To return to these to continue to conduct drone strikes, which they had heretofore not been doing under the Obama Administration in its later years. So what the authority is was to give the c. I. A. Permission to conduct strikes, in particular in syria. We have some evidence that suggests theyve also done one in pakistan as well. Then we saw in syria about four or five, three weeks ago, they targeted al quaida leader in northern syria. So that was kind of the first known example of the c. I. A. s taking the authority since they got it from mr. Trump. Glor but there has long been a feisty turf war between the c. I. A. And the pentagon over drone strikes. Right. Theres always been this bureaucratic squabbling over thissish uh shoe. Under pressure from human Rights Groups and others, mr. Obama settled on getting the hybrid solution where the c. I. A. And the dod Work Together to mount a strike. So it was basically the c. I. A. Working, providing the intelligence, the analysis and then, at the last minute, allowing the dod to essentially pull the trigger, but thus allowing that mission to be largely publicly accountable and transparent, and that was a place where mr. Obama had pushed to have that happen. So now this is the beginning of what could be a reversal of that policy under mr. Trump, who has clearly signaled he wants to accelerate the fight against Islamic State and other groups. Glor and, greg, how easy or complicated is it going to be to change the drone rules . You know, i think its relatively easy. There were president ial policy guidance, so guidance president obama set down that he was hoping to set a standard that would tie the hands of his successor a little bit, but there is no legal mandate that President Trump has to follow those rules. Glor greg, so what was the Obama Administration worried about that the Trump Administration may not be worried about . I think the big thing president obama was worried about is you have this incredibly powerful tool that allows you to launch strikes anywhere in the world at very low cost to u. S. Personnel and very low cost to taxpayer dollars, so he wanted some set of rules that, particularly outside of active combat areas, that would set a threshhold for these strikes. You know, if youre going to use American Power to kill somebody, wanted to make sure it was absolutely necessary. Glor president obama was not shy about using that power. No, he wasnt. In fact, he used it very heavily early in his administration. So it was around 2013 where he looks at it and thinks, gosh, the technology really has accelerated, his administration was using it quite heavily and felt like, hey, we need to put rules of the road in place to govern this. Glor can you talk about the Technology Acceleration and how much better the Drone Technology has become and how quickly it advances and