Players are also going to be out there, and to be able to walk around and feel the excitement and the energy from all the players and watching the coaches and being as close as we are, i really call the u. S. Open as a true experience, a true fan experience. So many things are going on entertainmentwise, social media outlets, et cetera. Thats what, when we have people coming out, the majority of our people are actually buying grounds passes. Rose we conclude with the netflix comedy Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt. We talk with ellie kemper, Tituss Burgess and carol kane. I think she was born with this nature to persevere. She has seen the worst of Human Behavior so i thnk nothing can shock her. Instead of giving up hope in her fellow man, it only reinforced it. Rose charlottesville, tennis and the Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, when we continue. Rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by the following and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose President Trump faces increased criticism for his failure to condemn neonazi and white supremacist groups in the wake of this weekends violence in charlottesville, west virginia. Heres the president s initial reaction saturday. We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides. Rose monday, the president did attack racists, White Supremacists and neonazis. Racism is evil and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs including the k. K. K. , neonazis, White Supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as america. Rose finally today in an angry confrontation with reporters the president went back to his point that there was blame for violence on both sides. When you say the altright, define it for me. Lets go. As the same groups rose what about the altleft that came charging at as you say the alt right, do they have any semblance of guilt . What about this, what about the fact that they came charging with clubs in their hands, swinging clubs . Do they have any problem . I think they do. As far as im concerned, that was a horrible, horrible day bait way the manet. Im not finished. Im not finished, fake news that was a horrible day questioning i watched those more closely than you people watched it, and you had a group on one side that was bad and a group on the other side that was also very violent and nobody wants to say that but ill say it right now. You had a group on the other side that came charging in without a permit, and they were very, very violent. questioning go ahead. Do you think what you call the altleft is the same as neonazis . Those people all of those people excuse me. Ive condemned neonazis, ive condemned many different groups, but not all those people were neonazis, believe me. Not all those people were White Supremacists by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue of robert e. Lee. And you take a look at some of the groups and see and you would know it if youre honest reporters which in many cases youre not, but many of those people were there to protest the taking down of the statue of robert e. Lee. This week its robert e. Lee. I notice Stonewall Jackson is coming down. I wonder, is it George Washington next week and Thomas Jefferson the week after . You really have to ask yourself where does it stop . questioning excuse me. You take a look at the night before, they were there to protest the taking down of the statue of robert e. Lee. Infrastructure question, go ahead. Did the statue of robert e. Lee stay up . I would say thats up to a local down, community or the federal government, depending on where it is located . How concerned are you about Race Relations in america and do you think things have gotten worse or better since youve taken office . I think theyve gotten better. Look, theyve been frayed for a long time. You can ask president obama about it because hed make speeches about it, but i believe the fact that i brought in, it will be soon, millions of jobs you see where companies are moving back into our country i think thats going to have a tremendous, positive impact on Race Relations. We have companies coming back into our company. We have two Car Companies that just announced. We have fox com in wisconsinin that just announced. We have Many Companies id say pouring back into the country. I think thats going to have a huge, positive impact on Race Relations. You know why . Its jobs. What people want now, they want jobs. They want great jobs with good pay and, when they have that, you watch how Race Relations will be. And ill tell you, were spending a lot of money on the inner cities. Were fixing the inner cities. Were doing far more than anybodys done with respect to tinner cities. Its a priority for me. questioning are you putting what youre calling the altleft and White Supremacists on the same moral a plain . Im not putting anybody on a moral plain. Im saying you had one group on one side and one group on the other and they came at each other with clubs and it was vicious and horrible. It was horrible to watch. But there was a group on this side, you just called them to the left, that came violently attacking the other group, so you can say what you want, but thats the way it is. questioning you said there was hatred and violence i think there is blame on both sides, you look at both sides, i think theres blame on both sides, and i have no doubt about it and you dont have any doubt about it either. And, if you reported it accurately, you would say. questioning excuse me. You had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group excuse me. Excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from robert e. Lee to another name. questioning George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner . So will George Washington now lose his status . Are we going to take down excuse me. Are we going to take down statutes to George Washington . What about thomas jumpsen. You like him . Okay, good, are we going to take down his statue . Because he was a major slave owner. So you know what . Its fine. Youre changing history, youre changing culture, and you had people and im not talking about the neonazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally but you had other people in that group condemned other than neonazis and white nationalists and the press has treated them unfairly. In the other group also you had fine people but you also had them with troublemakers and you see them come with the blackout fits, the helmets and the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group, too. Rose many suggest steve bannon the president s chief strategists is at least partly responsible of the president s response. Bannon has long attracted attention for ideological ties to members of the far right. Some are calling for his ouster. Joining me is washington washington from washington. Wrote about the Political Partnership between the president and chief strategist in the recent book devils bargain steve bannon, donald trump, and the storming of the presidency. Green is also National Correspondent for Bloomberg Businessweek and cnn. Pleased to have him back on the program. Begin with what youre hearing with respect to the future of steve bannon, josh. In the last couple of days, clear from leaks in the white house and other major papers that bannon was on thin ice for two reasons. Run, feuding with h. R. Mcmaster, the National National security advisor. The new chief of staff general kelly wants to bring order to the white house. It looked like bannon was on thin us a because of that. There was the publicity that hes gotten because of the book. And the fact trump reacted so viscerally in the press conference to the criticism over his response to the Charlottesville Riot i think shows he is disinclined to fire steve bannon, is still listening to him and is speaking about this matter in a way that steve bannon would speak about it. So he doesnt seem to be somebody on the verge of pushing out his chief strategist. Rose does he need steve bannon . I dont know if he does or not, but i think that bannon and trump have a kind of connection. I think trump understands that bannon is someone who viscerally understands him and understands his politics and is able to channel this nationalist, populist world view that trump and bannon together used to get trump to the white house. Having said that, trump has come under an awful lot of criticism for taking Steve Bannons advice in the wake of the Charlottesville Violence and refusing to call out the alt right racists, the White Supremacists and the neonazis. That was a tactic that worked during the president ial campaign when Hillary Clinton put pressure on trump to renounce this violence and he didnt. It did not work at all in this instance because here we could see on our own Television Sets the violence that was happening and the lives that were lost as a result of it. Rose can you tell us if you know the role that bannon played in shaping the president s response to charlottesville . Well, i know based on my reporting and others have reported this, too, that while steve bannon was not in bed minister with trump, the two of them had phone calls and trump solicited his advice on how to respond. I dont know what was said in those conversations, but what trump said in his initial response, blaming many sides and refusing to specify the altright as being culpable for most of the violence and his latest press conference in which he angrily returned to that position, both of those are the positions that steve bannon would take on this issue, not only because he believes the altright is an important part of trumps political base, but because he characteristically does not like to bend to the demands of the Mainstream Media and the Democratic Party and even the republican establishment all of which have been telling trump you must condemn these people and specify they are responsible and no one else. Rose but the president seems to adhere to what he said today. You had a group on one side that was bad and a group on the other side that was also very violent, nobody wants to say it, but i will say it now, the statement i made on saturday, the first statement was a fine statement but you dont make statements that direct until you know the facts. I think that this is trumps way of obfuscating and deflecting blame. This is a tried and true trump tactic hes used again and again. Hell Say Something vague that implies theres more there we need to stop immigration of muslims from Foreign Countries until we figure out whats going on. We need to withhold judgment about charlottesville until we know all the facts. I dont think that really means there are a lot more facts we dont know, but its trumps way of avoiding having to specifically apologize because one thing we know about trump vividly on display after charlottesville is that he is loathe to apologize for or condemn any of his supporters and thats especially problematic in a case like this one when those supporters are racists. Rose how much of the people we talk about supporting trump are racist and how much of them are neonazis and White Supremacists . I dont think you can poll this very clearly. I strongly suspect the subset of Trump Supporters who are actual racist and nazis is very small. However, i think bannon believes they are a critical part of trumps core of support because they are the truest believers, the people that come to Breitbart News, that show up at his rallies, that are active on social media. We know trump is aware of them because he often retweets them and has in the past couple of days even though he is routinely condemned for this and sometimes has to back off. I think that trump himself believes that condemning these people is capitulating to his political opponents. He refused to do it last august when Hillary Clinton gave a speech and called on trump to fire steve bannon and distance himself from the altright. He wouldnt do it then. He is obviously loathe to do it now in the wake of charlottesville and having been forced into it a couple of days ago, now we can see in this press conference he essentially returned to his original position, and i think it shows two things, charlie. He is not listening, trump is t listening to businessd hes leaders. Instead, i think he is experiencing this viscerally through the lens of cable news and is responding with real anger to the torrent of criticism that hes gotten these last few days with how hes handled this crisis. Rose clearly hes not listening to his daughter either. No, but thats nothing new. Why she often tries to sand off the rough edges or steer him in a more moderate direction, trump doesnt seem to listen all that often. He didnt do it on the paris accords, he didnt do it when it came to his desire to ban transgender soldiers in the military, he certainly didnt do it in his response to the Charlottesville Violence, so i dont know what effect that really has on the president. Rose so for the president is it political opportunism or racism or is there no difference in this case . I would choose a third option, and i would say this is who trump really is. He response viscerally to this criticism. I dont know that hes a racist, although the fact that he is so unwilling to criticize racism when shes so easy to criticize other people certainly makes you wonder. But trumps response to this cry crisis is not dissimilar to his response to other political attacks that dont involve issues of race and that is a truculence to admit hes made an error or accept criticism. Trump just wont do it. I think on an issue like charlottesville where race and identity are at the center of this debate, that tendency that trump has become heightened in a way thats very ugly and moral will upsetting, not just to voters and Business Leaders but to member of his own party and apparently to members of his own family. Rose there is also this, though, a fight with h. R. Mcmaster, certainly at breitbart, and you assume breitbart would not be doing it without the acquiescence, perhaps the urging and certainly the knowledge of steve bannon, and john kelly has stepped into that, it is reported, so if you have h. R. Mcmaster and a lot of moderate people who feel strongly about him in the military like mattis and others, and you have john kelly feeling that this is not healthy for what he needs to do to straighten up the white house, thats a couple of powerful people aligned against steve bannon. It is and i think if bannon is fired it will be because of his feud with mcmaster. This has been going on for months and its become especially intense and especially public over the last couple of weeks. Its now pulled in Mainstream Media outlets, the wall street journal editorial page has been very critical of steve bannon. In return, Breitbart News has been extraordinarily critical of h. R. Mcmaster. Kelly wants this to tamp down, and the message he has sent to trumps senior team is that this needs to stop, people need to stay in their lanes. Mcmaster is the guy that kelly is empowering on Foreign Policy as is appropriate from his role in the nationa national securitl and the fact that bannon is a part of it, if bannon accepts those structures and will report to kelly and slow down these attacks in the media if hes able to, then i think hes going to be able to survive. Hes yous harming your presidency and its time to fire him. Rose what do we know about how much the president is listening to john kelly . There is ant lot of evidence hes listening to kelly. Kelly was supposed to run a tighter ship, and instead weve had twitter exposes from trump, hes come unhinged at the press and others. There are so many stories and crises clashing at once, i would say kellys tenure is off to a rocky start. However, he is still conducting the staff review. He is still trying to get things in order and he has said hes not going to try and curb trumps behavior or even take away his twitter account. So i dont know how much of an effect he can really have on trump if hes going to leave aside those two critical areas. But i think we need to give him a few more weeks to see if things can settle down and if trump is able to get beyond charlottesville which he was supposed to be attempting to do today with a press conference on infrastructure which was going to be the next thing. Instead we saw from trumps own reaction that he wants to return to this fight about charlottesville. Thats not something you can blame on steve bannon or an advisor. This is donald trump and nobody seems to be able to control donald trump. Rose we always come back to that point, dont we . We