By it. Charlie we continue this evening with hamlet running at the Public Theatre. We talk to oscariz isaac and so gold. A contemporary audience is less used to rhetoric and speaking verse. I think its important to honor the tradition of speaking verse and poetry and giving the audience poetry with music to it. Its important not to alienate the audience and claim the poetry but to find a way that its also contemporary communication. I like to put a group of people together with 299 people come every night and theyre all in a room together and are going to communicate about grief and suffering and well be in the room together and the communication has to make it to the audience. It cant be 400yearold poetry but something the audience is going through. Charlie charlottesville and shakespeare when we continue. Funding for charlie rose is funded by the following and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Announcer there our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Charlie we continue tonight with the event ins charlottesville, virginia and the president s response. Viole to reverberate through the country and President Trump said there is quote, blame on both sides. What about the alt left that came charging as you say the alt right. Do they have any semblance of guilt . What about the fact they came charging with clubs in their hands, swinging clubs. Do they have any problem . I think they do. That was a horrible day. Im not finished fake news. I washed it closely. More closely than you people watched it. Had a group on one side that was bad and a group on the other side that was also very violent and nobody wants to say that but ill say that. You had a group charging in without a permit and they were very violent. Do you think the alt left is the same ass neonazis. All those people excuse me. Im condemned neonazis and many groups but not all those people were neonazi. They were not all White Supremacists by any stretch. They were there wanting to protest the taking down of the statue of robert e. Lee. You look at some of the groups and you see and youd know it if you were honest reporters, which in many cases youre not, but many people were there to protest the taking down of the statue of robert e. Lee. So this week its robert e. Lee. I noticed stonewall jacksons coming down. I wonder is it George Washington next week and Thompson Jefferson the week after. You have to ask yourself where does it stop. They were there to protest excuse me. You take a look the night before they were there to protest the taking down of the statue of robert e. Lee. Infrastructure question. Go ahead. Charlie some suggested the president s response will embolden neonazi and White Supremacists group. Joining us from charlottesville is elle reeve as a correspondent for Vice News Tonight the covers the alt right and has been on the ground in charlottesville since friday morning. Heres a look at her report at the documentary, charlottesville race and terror. So when did you get into what you call the racial stuff. With Trayvon Martin and rice and all these things. In some case its a little [bleep] getting himself in trouble acting like a savage. Whatever problems i have with my fellow white people theyre generally not inclined to so much behavior and you have to think about that when you think about how to organization your society. Oklahoma city. You have to go back to Oklahoma City to talk about a white dillon roo. Now youve named two and you remember the name of white bombers and white shooters. Can you tell the name of all territor terrorists on the planes in 9 11. Im here to spare ideas and talks in the hopes somebody more capable will come along and do that and somebody like donald trump who doesnt give his daughter to a jew. You cant watch kushner walk around with that beautiful girl. Charlie heres a dramatic scene of the drama taking place after the scene after the car came through the street killing a young woman. It came down the street at 90 miles an hour to hit us. There are bodies laying on the ground right now. We did not want this. We told the police we did not want them here. I had to3 duck out of the way. I almost got hit myself. Ive seen bodies flying being hit by that car. Ive seen people in front. We did not want them here. Now we have bodies on the ground. Charlie also joining me from Brooklyn Josh tyrangiel from Vice News Tonight and the executive Vice President of vice news media and joining me at the table Nick Confessore and he wrote during last years election about the politics and white resentment. Josh, give me the overview you had as a friend of mine and former colleague here how you want to cover this what made you decide to cover it that way. It started with elle. Shes a really good beat reporter and has had her eye on line and whats coming from the selfproclaimed alt right. Shes been paying attention to how they get together and describe the differences between the groups and grievances. Elle has done a bunch of stories on the rise of the White Nationalists. When we heard theyd make the leap from the Digital Domain and gathering without hoods and anonymity getting down there. Its as simple as having a great reporter and you go from there and you trust them and elle earned every bit of it. Charlie and yours is not a traditional news program. Theres no anchor that introduces reporters. Excuse the word embedded but have you reporters telling stories in the filed. We like to get as immersive as possible and try to take people to events and make them feel something. Its not that were not capable of doing more traditional reporting. We do plenty of explanation and analysis but when possible we want to be on the ground. Charlie elle, tell me, what did you anticipate when you went to charlottesville . I knew this would be a gathering of a bunch of desperate alt right groups. I was not anticipating how organized theyd be. I knew they had a ring of private security comprised of afghanistan and iraq veterans but once on the ground they were well organized. They had people doing crowd control and giving tiki torches and dropping off at a field. Its a highly organized group. Charlie did they trust you . You had a conversation with a guy responding to your questions in a direct manner. No, i dont think they trust me. They dont like women. They believe the medias run by jews. I do try to present their argument to people can understand. Charlie how did the events unfold as you watched it . On friday night we arrived at 9 30 at a field on a virginia campus. There were so many people there and they were lining up in two columns. They had tiki torches and there was a massive line across the field. It was really stunning. In absolute numbers maybe a few hundred people but when the marching began there were animalistic chant and grunting and very chant and they were so enthusiastic. They were so pumped. It was really scary. Charlie scary. Scary for your own safety or scary for what might happen with ideologies. Charlie scary they had so many willing to show up and show their face. Many were armed not at the tiki torch parade but the next rally. Scary because they were so emotional. It was clear they might act on their violent ideology. Charlie when did the car excellent happen . Not accident, car terrorism. It had gotten crazy and the White Nationalists were ordered to leave and they were marching through the city and that got canceled. There was an emergency order there were no assemblies. They were agitated they werent able to express themselves. We went downtown and there were counterprotesters and they were following and we crossed the street and two minutes later a car slammed into human bodies. Charlie killing the young woman. Thats right and injuring many people. Charlie theres headlines saying theyve been emboldened by what happened in charlottesville and b, the president s response. It was a movement perhaps the first protest movement to live entirely online for most of its existence. These are people who could not have their views in public or known to have their views. They congregated on Message Boards and redit and mostly anonymous. The president came out in recent days and he said it was actually a real view to have to be a white supremacist and endorsed their views in some ways. For the first time in history a president has actually done that for them. And they were excited by it. They saw his denial. Charlie they were recognize and respected. And he said, well, i disavowed them later but they saw that as a strategic and they were cheered by the fact he refused at first to say they were bad people and that is a validation they have never had from this high level of government in their life time. Charlie so theyre strengthened, emboldened to do what they did in charlottesville to rise of the destruction of a monument they feel is an offense to them. I think alt right lives in symbiosis with us in the press. Theyre too small a number to have genuine political power. Theyre in some wade ways reflected on the president s view of immigration and the decay on america and threat to order of america. And they need these moments of confrontation to radicalize others who dont know theyre there as an alternative to mainstream politics. Charlie josh, as a news editor at a number of news insttutions and executive producer, how do you see this in the context of the political history you have witnessed . What makes it a story for us and the reason we knew pretty rapidly it would be a big deal is the validation of the opinion. Theres a digitalhood. If you were a member of the ku klux klan you put a hood on. The fact people are willing to go out there and seeing their face knowingly seen on Television Screens and shouting terrible things and lets be clear, theres no pretense this is about a statue. Theres plenty of legitimate arguments on what to do with complications in american history. Thats not what this was. This is a canonical moment for us. The way the president handled it theres a reason youre seeing the outrage youre seeing. Its one we have to continue to be on top of. As nick said were asking all sorts of questions at what point do we want to be very careful about not giving more time and not glamourizing something. But the fact its in our streets say big deal. Charlie and making headlines. Tell us more. There was a libertarian shock jock and fired for making comments and he started doing more research, he says, into race and came to the conclusion that basically black people are inferior to white people and took it up as a cause and starting crying talking to me saying he didnt want to do this but he was committed to defending the white race. Charlie heres a clip. Take a look at this. Id say it was worth it. We knew thered be a lot of resistance. The fact that nobody on our side died id go ahead and call that points for us. The fact that none of our People Killed anybody in unjustly is a plus for us and we showed our rivals we cant be cowed. And the car that struck the protester is unprovoked. Its not true. Youve seen the video. I dont know much about it. Can you describe what the video appears to show. The video appears to show someone striking the vehicle when the animals attack him again and he sought no way to get away from them except to hit the gas. Sadly because our rivals are a bunch of stupid animals who dont Pay Attention they couldnt just get out of the way of his car and some people got hurt and thats unfortunate. Do you think it was justified. I think it more than justified. I cant believe the amount of restraint our people showed out there i think was astounding. What do you think it means for the next alt right protest . I think its going to be tough to top but were up to the challenge . Why . I mean someone died. I think more people are going to die before were done here frankly. Why . Why . Because people die every day. Charlie when he goes home, elle, who is he . He lives in new hampshire. Hes single. I asked him about this being his entire life. He told me when he takes a girl out to the movies they dont talk about racism. But this does seem to be what he does all the time. He has a massive arsenal of weapons. He does live podcasts. And thats how he makes his money through donations. By people who agree with him. Charlie how large do you think these groups are . How large . Charlie yeah. I dont know. I could make guesses based on how many followers their biggest leaders have but i think the most telling data point is a site called researcher is an altright site that crowd funds cause has been able to over and over again over 100,000 a night and i think thats significant. Charlie do you think the they feel the exposure will show them as unacceptable in america as people seemingly rejecting what the president has said. I think the value of what we did was shown yesterday when the president referred to the people in charlottesville who were protesting against the destruction of the statue as very fine people. You cant watch the episode we made and think these are very fine people. Its not possible. In that regard i think it will hurt them. The fact were talking about this hurts them because it brings people back to their awareness that just because they live in a polite portion of society doesnt mean everyone has decided we should be a liberal democracy in which everyones opinions and value are based on the content of their character. Thats not where we are. The fact this conversations happening does damage to their cause. But as i said im very aware of the doubleedged sword. We dont want to gam orize glamourize them. I think it hurts them. A year ago the alt right would dress up in their idea of European Defense euphemism. This was straightup nazi. This was swat swastikas and nazi and they put it back on. Charlie did the White Supremacists and neonazis blend . Do they both accept a bit of each others philosophy . Its a varied movement. Theres different camps. Some say theyre inspired by nazi ideology and some say theyre the defenders of western organization. Richard spencer charlie who was down in charlottesville. Before that he was at an event to hire trump. That was a big moment for him. He spent a long time trying to construct what he thought was a socially acceptable version of his ideology. Charlie tell me about robert ray. He writes for a neonazi website called the daily stormer. Its extremely racist but it uses teeners memes and uses bright colors and tries to be hip and witty and they write good headlines. They get about 100,000 readers a month. Charlie here he is talking to elle reeve. Tell me what you think . Im a feature writer. I do the report and theres men on the ground at the events. What does it mean to you . For one thing it means were showing to this parasitic class its our country and built by our forefathers and going to remain our country. Were stepping off the internet the big way. Last night at the torch walk there were hundreds of us. People realize were part of a larger whole because weve within spreading our means and organizing and coming out now we greatly outnumbered the antiwhite, antiamerican filth. At some point well have enough power we will clear them from the streets forever. That which is degenerate in white countries will be removed. So showing up in physical state lets people know. Were starting to unveil a little bit of our power level. You aint seen nothing yet. Charlie so to put into context the impact donald trump has done. I think hes taken some ideas they have invading hordes and people being stabbed in the back. Immigrants coming in and tabling your jobs and hes taken the ideas and put them main street and put them in the center of Public Discourse and theyre so excited. If they feel hes a White Nationalist or share his ideas but they believe he has created a pathway for their ideas to move to the public sphere and the mainstream. If you dont stamp them out youll see what theyve done. An altright organizer texted me last night, god bless this man, speaking of mr. Trump. He really has our back and thats why they feel more powerful and take steps forward and do more protest. Charlie thank you elle reeve and josh tyrangiel. Thank you very much and this is a reflection of the kind of journalism thats possible and its great to see you. You too, charlie. Charlie well be right back. Stay with us. William shakespeares hamlet is one of the most well known plays and it stars oscar isaac and directed by sam gold. The two first conceived of the project at juliard. It runs to september 3. Im pleased to have oscar isaac and sam gold. It wasnt that long ago. Combl are you we did all the scenes together. Its part of your course, right . I was studying shakespeare and wanted to work on hamlet. Everybody wants to so it wasnt a strange idea to want to do hamlet. Its like the best play ever and Everyone Wants to get their hands on it and i grabbed oscar for the minutes he had a day on his oscar training and asked him to do hamlet with me and do r g scenes. Charlie is thats what theyre called . You tackle the closet scene or one of the big meals and i thought itd be fun to start with the friendship scenes and also we were students and friends. It seemed appropriate for the vibe of juliard. We did that at school and after we graduated we kept in touch and worked together on romeo and juliet he was an assist. Zwlan and we did a play later. We always talked about doing hamlet and it took time to put the play up and we finally did and it wasszun almj project. 10 years of talking about doing it and a couple years of putting it together. Charlie what makes it as great as it is . Its a bottomless play. You can look at it from a different point of view and each feels like an entire universe and you think, oh, everybody else has this idea about the play and when they open that door its another endless the term poem unlimited is shakespeares term. Charlie poem unlimited. It just keeps going. You start to look and it reflects itself and in a way it has the ambiguity of religious text where its crafted in such a way it feels like it has infinite meaning and any question an actor would ask him the opposite is true.