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Commerce secretary tells us why also Italians go to the polls tomorrow and one issue seems to be dominating I mean that's the only question on the court over immigration is becoming a really bad thing for our children they riot hurt people and harm women and with us for the whole program are my 2 guests Leslie Vinge Mori director of the Center on conflict rights and justice at the School of Oriental and African Studies in London and Gavin Jennings a radio presenter based in Dublin for Iron Islands r.t.e. Network that's here on Weekend. But 1st the world news. Hello I'm Gerri Smith with the b.b.c. News the world's biggest investment management firm Blackrock in the United States is stepping up pressure on companies that make and sell guns in response to the Florida school shooting Chris Barker reports Blackrock money just trillions of dollars in investments and a significant stakes in companies that manufacture weapons but says it's not looking at what isn't that big cause of concerns about the number of deaths in the us caused by guns it's a little sign that the killing of 17 people in the recent school shooting in Florida is leading to change but so far it's been companies like Wal-Mart that been taking action by bringing new restrictions rather than politicians who are still debating proposals for new tighter gun laws the u.s. Secretary of commerce has strongly defended u.s. Plans to impose tariffs on steel and only minion in the face of widespread international criticism that they could provoke a trade war Well Ross told the b.b.c. That the move should not come as a surprise given President Trump's election campaign promise to support traditional industries he said the president was fed up with the unfair trade practices of other countries such as dumping excess steel the i.m.f. Has warned the tariffs would hurt the United States itself. 2 years after the 100 environmental activist bear to curse Rose was killed a senior energy company executive has been arrested on suspicion of masterminding her murder kind of spirit reports David Castillo is the executive president of Desa the company building the dam which Mrs Cassar essers campaigning against other employees are among 8 people arrested and tried over the murder or the company insists it wasn't involved the Honduran government has come under international pressure to find out who ordered the killing news of mystical years arrest Broca's protests took place across the country demanding justice for Benteke Cassar us she was one of hundreds of land activists murdered in Honduras over the last decade with the building of hydro dance is big business the United Nations mission in the Democratic Republic of Congo says it's stepping up the security of peacekeepers in line with the findings of an inquiry into the killing of 15 turns in troops last December more from grand for it the un inquiry identified a number of what it euphemistically called gaps in the organization of its force in Congo the biggest the most expensive in the world it concluded there was no workable plan to reinforce or withdraw the peacekeepers once their base in eastern Congo came under fire last December it said leadership problems and a lack of essential such as air support and intelligence should be urgently addressed the un says all available evidence points to a Congolese rebel group originally from Uganda grounds for it world news from the b.b.c. . A newspaper in Argentina has become the 1st outward to be targeted under Poland's new Holocaust law the controversial legislation aims to punish anyone who blames Poland for Nazi crimes carried out in its territory during the 2nd World War a group known as the Polish league against defamation has accused the paper of using a misleading photograph on its website it says an image of Polish anti companies fighters was published in an article about a Nazi massacre of more than 300 Jews in 1941 more than a 1000000 homes in the United States are without power as a fierce storm batters coastal regions in the Northeast flooding and strong winds brought down power lines and prompted the cancellation of thousands of flights a new type of camera designed to pick out cells before they can develop into cancer of the esophagus is about to be traveled on patients for the 1st time the device has been created by a team of British doctors and physicists when placed on a patient's throated uses different colored lasers to make potentially cancerous cells glow doctors currently have to depend on the humanoid to find any such normalities as of a gill cancer has a low survival rates because it's so difficult to spot. The body wood says the rules for world football is expected to approve the use of video system referees throughout the sport at a meeting in Zurich later the a r as it's known allows officials to review footage of major incidents such as gold and penalties is our sports correspondent Richard Conway 2 year global trial of the technology together with the protocols about when it can be applied has been criticized given sometimes lengthy delays during games confusion amongst fans in stadiums and claims it is killing the atmosphere of matters which want to be are in place for this summer's Russian World Cup insist it is needed and will improve the accuracy of factual decisions by referees to 99 percent come way reporting b.b.c. News. It's 8 o 6 g.m.t. Welcome to Weekend from the b.b.c. World Service with me Celia Houghton coming up on to say disillusioned American military hero we'll hear about Bo gripes the former u.s. Soldier who was the inspiration for the Hollywood character of Rambo are slowly or begun under my pillow it's a 45 officer all. Right. I have my lamp I have my service for 60 and I have a set of my vision goggles and I have a knife and them. I have a small shotgun we'll be talking more about Vogue rights later with us for the rest of the program until $830.00 g.m.t. Our guests Lesley Vinge Marie director of the Center on conflict rights and justice at the School of Oriental and African Studies here in London and Gavin Jennings a radio presenter for the Irish national broadcaster r.t.e. I'm so pleased to have both of you with us here and we'll be speaking and hearing more from you in a little while but 1st let's return to one of our top stories this hour the International Monetary Fund says President Trump's plan tariffs on steel and aluminum imports into the u.s. Will damage the very industries the measures are supposed to protect countries around the world are threatening to impose their own tariffs in response Axl Eggert the jet director general of the European steel Association had this warning. At the doors of trade war that is extremely unfortunate situation that could go much beyond the steel industry and the enemy in human history Wilbur Ross is the u.s. Commerce secretary I asked him why Steele and how many I'm growing all the way to the presidential elections. That we had here back in 2016 president made very clear that it was his intention to help the traditional industries here so it shouldn't be of any surprise that he is fed up with the dumping he's fed up with the continued overcapacity he's fed up with the subsidisation of exports to us our trade deficit. Intially equals the cumulative trade surplus of the rest of the world in the it's no longer acceptable Mr Secretary what do you say to those who say the tariff really are the solution to this problem that tariffs on steel and aluminum might simply lead to 2 to other terrorists slapped on on u.s. Goods and this could result in a very costly trade war Well 1st of all I have not heard any rational alternative proposed except talk talk talk we've heard talk talk talk for years and the fact is that until the mid 1970 s. We had trade surpluses since the seventy's we've had a trade deficit it's been it's a little longer acceptable to us as to trade war there's been no restraint on the part of the e.u. China or any of our of the major trading partners prior to this they all have various of central tariff barriers in various of central nontariff trade barriers we've believed that of the Vater countries we are as a practical matter the least protectionist country and we have the deficit to show for it the so idea that other people practice free trade is rubbish you does not practice free trade China does not practice free trade we don't really know who are the other major trading nations that do practice it if you have a thought as to one that's less protection is than we are like to hear the name but when it comes to steal an alley many of the United States really gets very little. Steel directly from China instead Canada for example which is a u.s. Ally is a major supplier you're slapping 10 percent on Canadian Almany and because of national security or so you say but that they're one of the u.s. His closest allies the reason the Chinese ships are so little directly is that we have so many trade cases against them and so what happens we'll put in a trade action against a particular product from a particular country the next thing that happens is the same product originating from China shows up through another country and that's part of the reason why we need to go locals solution not a China centric solution Mr Secretary if you want to advocate a global solution why step away then from the Trans-Pacific Partnership which would reduce tariffs on on unspecific partnership would have done nothing of the excess capacity is in the excess production of history over aluminum. Wilbur Ross the u.s. Commerce secretary to Italy now Italians go to the polls to morrow for the country's 1st general election in 5 years and the 1st since the center left Prime Minister Renzi resigned after losing a referendum on constitutional reform and 2016 the economy is sluggish and unemployment is high but as Mark modelled reports from Rome that's not the main issue this election is all about immigration. In the Shadow one of the city's biggest stations were as far as you can get from the classical splendor of Rome where a couple between 2 shots of the buildings with broken windows and their 6080 tents home to around 160 people. Mustn't talk about it I am under. The meter of the expedience activist this migrant migrants in transit in the city of Rome that means that the migrants whom you tell you it's not the final destination but it's probably the 2nd to last top of their plan to reach their family and friends up north it's a main issue of this election and then you know it's pretty the I'm fair because they talk about migration in a way that is we consider absolutely wrong we think that the more you invest in welcoming migrants the safe where Italy and Europe will be in the future those who make the precarious journey across the Mediterranean from North Africa end up more often than not here in Italy the numbers have fallen a lot 10900000 came in by boat last year but it all adds up and European rules mean technically at least that if immigrants are called anywhere in the they can be shipped back to the country where they 1st told in often Italy. People chucking bits of wood into a metal drum for a makeshift holding out their hands against the cold. One of them is George from Nigeria I came here because I have some potters in the country just it would have been you know how you treated in Italy. Is true that Italians are worried about Russia. Has that affected you. Due to lack of a document. That most of force no longer need to move to another country. That is. Inside now a magnificent Roman temple and up on the podium as one came a voice to Silvio Berlusconi for the 1st Italia and the leader of the league now at the moment there any sort of propaganda material the badges representing the parties but in recent rallies they tried the slogan stop the invasion put Italians 1st. Tell us Senator Allen is full throat it is very important because people are very worried that we are 600050 people who came in for years without any without limits and without any possible identification of the people who are coming only 5 percent of them. Refugees Why are people worried about that we are worried because we have already 2500000 unemployed people and we see young people mostly Man it has been possible to find the money for these people and it was impossible to find it 40 gallon family need Berlusconi has warned of a social time bomb and these 2 parties of promised to deport 600000. Illegal migrants in the square outside the temple supporters back the idea I mean. Immigration is becoming a really bad thing for our children they riot hurt people and harm women using but . I am against immigrants the various reasons I base this on Jesus and God asking must be white and cannot be mixed with others and it's not true that Italians refused to do certain jobs and it's not just the right the center left former Prime Minister Renzi says Italy doesn't have a moral duty to take in Margaret's industry itself from a sense of guilt the hard to pin down 5 storm movement wants to employ thousands of new people to expel the immigrants and its leaders as Italy has been providing a sea taxi service for migrants they are responding to a public mood since 201-365-0000 migrants have arrived in Italy by boat New York Times journalist Jaya piano Gianni has seen the changes in her home village of cast lenient in Canty with fewer than 3000 people live even though I go there very often hadn't realized how much it changed until I found out that the elementary school had so many children whose parents were foreign born and that really had an impact on me because I had seen veiled women walking around the streets and a lot of poor migrant and workers working in the fields when my grandfather used to work as a farmer so we're not talking about many generations ago there's a new fascist party fighting these elections at the beginning of last month a young man drove through the town of message after in the northeast of Italy shooting black people and giving a fascist salute before he was arrested isn't Senator Lucio worried and you can turn to hatred 80 percent of their residents you need telly or foreigners. All the crimes are committed by foreigners so this is something that of course it also. Attention of the people and so we are waiting for that and that shooting came immediately after the slaughter. Of a team that was raped killed cut in pieces and partially eaten. Back at the camp just finishing up lunch organized and cost is worried about the way things are heading it and he's going backwards you know for many years after World War 2 We're just going forward those who should defend their migrants right they don't see migration is not their problem they say yes we understand why you're right migration is a problem we have to do something. I'm pretty sure even by Monday when the results of Sunday's elections it's going to take ages to work out which coalitions of form but all the parties are made it clear migration is the issue of this election and whatever they decide is going to affect people here a great deal. Mark my Dell reporting well let's open up this discussion to our guests Gavin and Leslie Gavin arland hasn't witnessed a growth in far right politics like Italy any thoughts on why it also hasn't seen a growth of inward migration to anything like the extent that it's really are to some extent Greece House as well I mean in more migration has been a feature right across Europe but nowhere on the scale that Italy and Greece have to some extent they have borne the brunt of a huge increase in people seeking refuge from North Africa and the Middle East more so than the rest of your help simply because of their job or feel I don't think to the rest of Europe to some extent understands the scale of the challenges that that involves I'm not trying to link that directly to the rise of our far right politics but it is certainly from Mark support inescapable that link in this election no you're right we haven't seen any far right politics here of any description. Throughout the history of our state the current party of power finagle and they were but they were born out of a minor movement in the 1930 s. Which married some of the far right excesses that were seen across Europe but that was really Arden's only for a with far right politics a politician running a movement called the national platform which is essentially and that immigration platform here in around the early 2000 but all the confidence that they put forward for local elections and for European elections got so few votes they all lost their deposits and there isn't really any far right spectrum in Irish politics but then that's it although we've certainly experienced an element of inward migration or particularly after the opening out of the e.u. To eastern countries in 2004 because of our geography because we're an island off the coast of us we're just simply not considered as an option by many people who are trying to make Europe their home not by going to people told like Ireland will because it's just further away than everybody else Leslie I see you nodding your head to much of what Gavin saying Well geography inevitably matters quite a lot if you look at the us of course immigration has become a very serious issue Donald Trump has made this part of his presidency the anti immigrant build a wall sentiment in the geography there is very important too right coming from from Latin America from Mexico it becomes something that's very easily to do easy to mobilize but the I think the key problem here a key problem is that the center and the center left hasn't been very effective at mobilizing a set of arguments that sort of capture not only the moral and sometimes legal commitment to refugees but certainly that you know moral commitment sometimes to migration but that makes a pragmatic case they haven't really come up with either collective European solution that's been effective or a country by country policies that they've been able to sell and implement that have that have really dealt with the migration crisis so unsurprisingly there's been a great. There's been great scope for the rights to really run with this issue Ok Well we're going to see how Italian voters deal with these issues when they head to the polls tomorrow and of course we're going to be speaking about the Italian elections on this program again tomorrow but let's move on to something completely different eighty's film fans listen up. Should be. Pushed. To push it back if you will you please. To just keep. Sylvester Stallone of course in 1st blood playing the unforgettable John Rambo what many might not realize is the Randall character the disillusioned Vietnam vet resentful of authority was loosely based on a real person his name is bogus rights and he's still very much alive today in a new documentary the race and forget documents his life and Zimmerman was given rare access to book rights over the co