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Some noted that Justice Kennedy's reputation as defender of liberalism and civil rights was rather overstated his vote did determine the decision to legalize same sex marriage but it also clinched the decision to subject our elections to unprecedented corporate influence that is Citizens United another historic Kennedy call his concurring opinion this past week in trump the Hawaii it is a fine. Fortas is an author but it's see Justice John Roberts he says the proclamation that's probably a $3.00 is squarely within the scope of presidential authority under the I and yes he stood with his conservative colleagues although he did add to his opinion this an anxious world must know that our government remains committed always to the liberties the Constitution seeks to preserve and protect so that freedom extends outward and lasts Alas the hand-wringing following Kennedy's resignation betrays broad fears of a very different outcome Adam Serwer is a senior editor for The Atlantic Adam welcome to o.t.m. Thank you for having me Donald Trump's travel ban got the go ahead from the Supreme Court because as Chief Justice John Roberts put it in his decision quote the text says nothing about religion. Well that's true but there's also nothing written on a shotgun shell about blowing someone's head off is literalism a legal standard which is actually a long history of the Supreme Court deciding that something even if it has the effect of discriminating against a particular group of people is not discriminatory unless that intent is stamped in the document regardless of the larger context in which that piece of legislation was passed but if text is the only measure of intent as you pointed out earlier in the week the court could be upholding Jim Crow laws nothing in there declaring blacks to be lesser humans or 2nd class citizens rights some Jim Crow laws specifically you know one of the things I mentioned was the grandfather clause which conveniently said you can only vote if your grandfather could vote in this period and what that meant essential he was that there was a cutoff point after which you couldn't vote and I didn't say black people can vote in fact it didn't actually technically prevent all black people from voting since there were some free black people who would have come in under the line but by Robert's logic there is nothing racist about this cornerstone of voter suppression under Jim Crow and a 2007 case involving school desegregation Justice Roberts penned what amounts to like a personal legal mantra he wrote quote The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race he's also ruled against ongoing federal intervention in protecting minority voting rights acknowledging the problem he says yeah that's it's an issue but arguing there is no equitable constitutional remedy and now he says a discriminatory law whose motivation is clear by a vast collection of the president's own words cannot be overturned in less that the text of the law confesses its own discriminatory. Intent I'm seeing a pattern here yeah I would say that the more honest version of Justice Roberts' famous line is that the way to stop discriminating on the basis of race is simply to pretend that discrimination on the basis of race is not occurring Roberts never says oh I don't care that these laws discriminate what he says is the federal government is simply exceeded its powers in this realm what Roberts has in common with that approach to racial discrimination he shares with the post reconstruction era Supreme Court which consistently ruled against laws that were meant to protect black rights not on the grounds that black men had no rights that a white man was bound to respect rather they simply said that the federal government was exceeding its powers and therefore the laws were unconstitutional. During the oral arguments and in their decisions what did the court the majority in this case make of the just vast amount of presidential rhetoric and that of his proxies that made very clear that this immigration action was indeed intended to be a Muslim ban I mean just for example this is Trump himself after signing the 1st version of the travel ban this is the league returning from the nation from foreign terrorism and if you hear night. You'll know what that means. And what we do all know what that means it means keeping Muslims out just a sort of my your pointed to that moment among many many others in her dissent but still the courts majority managed to be blind to everything how did they reconcile that for one thing they said oh the ban doesn't apply to every majority Muslim country in the world so it's really not fair to say that it's rooted in anti muslim animists and what's sort of my Or is the sense said was that essentially that you guys are kidding yourselves that it's actually quite clear that this was intended this way part of what's interesting about this is that the decision overturns Korematsu the decision justifying Japanese internment during World War 2 as rooted in animists but the core much the decision was justified on the grounds that this was necessary for national security and something similar has happened here the court has said you know this is a national security decision and the executive gets deference in this area and it's obvious based on how the the order doesn't mention Islam this is not actually rooted in animists in the way that the Korematsu decision was but the logic is actually very similar. Roberts and his conservative colleagues on the court had scrutinized the travel ban using what the court calls rational basis review this imagines a reasonable observer who they believe in this case would hear all of the president's rhetoric and still not see an anti muslim animists who gets to decide whether this observer is reasonable as opposed to oblivious the court applied rational basis grown in determined that you know since the government has a rational basis in trying to prevent terrorism the government should be to refer to it in this case but I think the more disturbing thing is that Roberts has essentially drawn a road map for the trumpet ministration to turn the president's prejudice is into law because what he what he said is that if you don't mention the group that you're discriminating against then you can do pretty much whatever you want even if everybody knows that what you're doing is motivated in animists what that means is that this case though for obvious reasons it's been seen as a thing that primarily affects Muslims is actually going to affect many many more people is the trump administration continues to pursue its agenda but its decisions aren't necessarily immutable is there a chance that this ruling will somehow become undone in my lifetime. Look I just want to be clear about something the implications of a monopoly on the court are tremendous in the aftermath of reconstruction the Supreme Court dismantled every major It effort to legislate racial equality in the United States and in doing so they helped construct the edifice of Jim Crow that lasted for about a century so the potential here is really that the trumpet ministration makes a mark on the United States of America for decades to come it really should not be understated one last straw to grasp at is that all of these decisions which seem so retrograde to me are the result of a legitimate ideological question rooted in the framers intent and that they are not intrinsically racist but just part of the ebb and flow of political ideology and that when push comes to shove even the conservative jurists notwithstanding their record to date will somehow do the right thing why would say that they think that they are doing the right thing for society they think that they're doing their jobs they're upholding the Constitution and they're going to continue to do that no matter how absurd or discriminatory or wrong it feels to their liberal critics. Adam thank you thank you for having me Adam Serwer is a senior editor at The Atlantic. To quote Nina Totenberg once again on Tuesday she tweeted that without audio of today's announcement there is no way to replicate so to my ears fury in a 20 minute dissent from the bench re today's travel ban decision the justices have spoken many times over the years explaining their views rejecting same day audio and cameras in the courtroom so back in 2015 o.t.m. Producer Jesse Brannaman composed a song using the justices own words television. I was going Suffered from a deal on that last former. Jesse Brennaman who compose the last piece is hilarious kind of Forever Young old so someone you are so grateful you got to hang out with for a few years now like Mary Poppins he's flying off this week to move back to his home state of Montana Yeah I know she wasn't from Montana will miss you Jesse. Forever Godspeed young man we will miss you. This is on the media. 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Is supported by the ranch lands concert series with country artist Corb Lund under the prairie stars Wednesday July 4th the Chico Basin ranch supporting the ranch is hands on conservation and nature programs for kids tickets and camping info a Chico Basin ranch dot com This is on the media I'm Bob Garfield and I'm Brooke Ladd stone amid the avalanche of Supreme Court news and the ongoing wretchedness on the border many in the media took time out this week to address a different crisis the impending demise of civility White House press secretary a White House it was the Vatican just over 500 years ago he by no means invented uncivil disagreement but Martin Luther was a virtue Woza. Religious insult to resubmit isn't. Associate professor of political theory at the University of Oxford and author of mere civility disagreement and the limits of toleration you really saw uncivil speech and actually other forms of incivility as an essential part of the duty of an evangelical Christian to put it in modern parlance to call out the errors of others when nails or glues you know depending on who you ask these 95 theological propositions to the door of a church unbutton burg and really gets this thing that we begin to think of as the Protestant Reformation going a few years later the Pope responds by declaring 41 of those 95 feces heretical and Luther responds in this stroke polemical genius by calling the pope the anti-Christ Now that's rude the pope you know trying to take a page from Luther's book when he finally does excommunicate Luther he at the same time declares that so that Martin's followers will share in his shame they shall henceforth be denominated Lutherans the height of rudeness Exactly so many of the denominational labels that we know today begin in this period as really offensive and uncivil religious insults Puritan starts out as an insult someone who is overcome with purifying zeal or even Quaker or someone who's quaking in their religious ecstasies by the way I when they started out Quakers were notorious among other things for taking their clothes off in public for interrupting other people's church services by banging pots and pans and so. There's real innovation here and I think what really really catches on and then leads to the crisis of civility that we begin to see is that it's a duty of every individual Christian to offend those who are in errors you have to insult them you have to frustrate social norms of respectful behavior so as to alert them to the depth and severity of the sin in which they're living. So let's carry on with this civility debate with 2 of its earliest and still best known theorists Thomas Hobbes and John Locke so in the 17th century in England both Hobbes and log are trying to figure out how it's possible for a tolerant society to exist and not dissolve into civil war how is it possible that those who disagree fundamentally in matters of religion and politics can nevertheless live together because all of the existing evidence on the ground at least in Europe seems to be that that was impossible if you wanted people to co-exist peacefully you could not have religious toleration so disagreement then or the lack thereof is a matter of life or death absolutely I mean it's easy to sort of minimize the stakes of these early modern wars of religion but we have to remember that the death toll and you know the English Civil War alone was per capita upwards of I think both world wars combined ops comes to the conclusion that it's not actually religious difference that's the problem it's disagreement that's the problem so basically you could have a society where in people believe whatever they want so long as they don't actually disagree about it with one another so he comes up with his understanding of civility is what I call civil silence it's basically we can live together peacefully and on murderously so long as we see our differences as strictly speaking not worth disagreeing about so Hobbes's is suggesting that the people themselves could never be an engine of change because they wouldn't be allowed to argue over their I.D.'s yet Hobbes is trying to roll back that kind of empowering of the individual to call out the injustice of the status quo and what that requires for Hobbes is a kind of absolute sovereign power to govern speech whereas Locke like to argument Yeah absolutely because. Argument is how we learn he begins to think about civility really in a different way he says well if we're going to disagree productively What are the constraints that need to be in place on how much difference a tolerant society can have so we can only disagree within a kind of span of what we might call reasonable disagreements so one limit is that you can't tolerate atheists because you can't have a civil disagreement with an atheist basically saying is his view good luck is also really adamant that you can't tolerate Catholics because they see themselves as being loyal to the pope the pope so one of the main reasons why we called you is that when you approached this study of civility you were yourself a civility skeptic Yeah I saw routinely how charges of incivility were used as ways to stifle debate and that civility was very often a tool of marginalizing the marginal and suppressing dissent and then you discovered someone who changed your mind Roger Williams a radical Puritan and founder of Rhode Island he was back Mish from the Massachusetts Bay Colony basically for refusing to shut up that's exactly right he's an uncompromising Puritan English Calvinist and on his own terms most of the Puritans of Massachusetts Bay were not Christians at all they were sinners and he thinks it's his duty to tell them that at every opportunity he's a really difficult intolerant Puritan so I assume that Rhode Island was an intolerant place that is the assumption that we would tend to make but exactly the opposite happens when Roger Williams is banished from Massachusetts Bay and he found the town of Providence on a gift of land from the Narragansett tribe with which he was very friendly he. Opens it up for other religious dissenters who've been banished from the colonies to come and worship freely why Right I mean Williams As idea was that in order to have spiritual or religious purity you're going to have to have an absolute wall of separation between church and state and between civil society and religious society so Rhode Island becomes the 1st society in the world not to have an established church so who lived there I mean what sort of dissenters descended on Rhode Island what island became known as robes Island and the latrine of New England because this is basically everyone who was too wild or uncivil to be tolerated in the other colonies found themselves there so Catholics Jews and then also pagans are American Indians but what's really exceptional here and where he goes farther than anyone else really and I would say go farther than even people like Jefferson is that Williams thinks that not only do all of these erroneous doctrines all these erroneous consciences have this right to live together in civil society they all also have a right and a duty to evangelize for their errors everyone has to be in accord a bully annoying is what you're saying and it's not all the time it's not 247 although Williams himself seem to have a quite a lot of stamina but it's the idea that part of what it is to live in the world is to have the courage of one's convictions and to care for the souls of one's fellow citizens and if you think you're right then you have a duty to try to convince others that they're wrong politely It's not that you have to be polite indeed this kind of no holds barred evangelical debate is going to be the cause of a lot of offense I think you know one thing I think Williams would want us to think of. Out is why we set the standard for success so high surely and murderous coexistence itself is a precious achievement and if we keep on making the best the enemy of the good in social life then we really do risk losing these kinds of you know yes they're minimal Yes they seem maybe less than aspirational but that there's actually something really really precious about not killing each other and yes on murderous coexistence we can't take it for granted so when I plying the lessons of Rhode Island to the nation today people aren't engaging or complaining or insulting necessarily because of beliefs but because of what we're seeing because of actions tearing kids away from families at the border or the destruction of the environment the lessons of civility still apply in this setting I mean one thing worth remembering is that the religious disagreements that are at stake in the 17th century they're not just differences of opinion about beliefs they're also serious disagreements about how we should organize society how we should live together look you know I'm offering a theory of civility not of justice not of democracy right civility of civility but actually civility isn't civility because just in our discussion we've seen it redefined over and over again so mere civility on my view is this conversational virtue that's minimal conformity to norms of respectful behavior that are needed in order to keep a conversation going but most fundamental to that is just the willingness to have the conversation we mustn't give up on one another and that's the kind of evangelical core of mere civility on the Williams model and it doesn't deny at all the importance of crying. Out against injustice indeed accommodates crying out against injustice but it says that when we call out injustice we do so in a way that remains committed to sharing our fate in society together I mean you've seen people trying to argue on cable news usually they start yelling then they start talking over each other and then they cut to a commercial all just for the benefit of those watching who agree with them already and I think both sides have so much to learn from a radical obstreperous evangelical Puritan who actually just had the courage of his convictions and just couldn't in Yulee had those uncomfortable conversations that every kind of Dearest of toleration told him we were impossible and I think that's the kind of radical hope on which American democracy is really built to reset thank you very much thank you to reset beige on is an associate professor of political theory at the University of Oxford and author of mirror civility disagreement and the limits of toleration. Ever since the 2016 election we've been pondering the obliteration of our norms but seen in the context of history that's normal the 1st world war the depression the 2nd World War jazz rock n roll the Vietnam War alley a nation and the Internet Keith Bybee author of How civility works says every generation of Americans has found a reason to bemoan the end of courtesy and respect but the fact is civility can be a tool of oppression Jim Crow segregation was surrounded and sustained racial at a kit Martin Luther King spoke about this quite eloquently in his letter from bring in jail you don't call the wife of an African-American Mrs she always gets dressed by her 1st name an African-American male adult has never Mr He is boy or John in order to be a member of polite society defined by such a racial etiquette was to an act through your conventional good behavior or racial hierarchy the sit ins which were in part efforts to change laws were direct confrontations with that etiquette it wasn't ever anough for the civil rights movement just to seek policy change there had to also be social change one form of civility extended to all races so that it be possible for people to interact as equals talk about then how etiquette violation can be a political tactic you offer a really good example of what you call manner based intimidation the group called Act Up That's right Joe during the 1980 s. In Reagan administration as the aids crisis was becoming. More and more manifest decorum at the time precluded discussion of non heterosexual practices decorum at the time also sidelined or marginalized expressions of grief or mourning in public spaces act up to bring greater attention to the aids crisis and to demand more proactive response from government abandoned appropriate behavior they staged these quite dramatic takeovers of telling all or city hall meetings and legislative hearings they staged die and this tactic initially was understood as counterproductive The idea is that they should play along with the rules of civility that are currently in place today it's called tone policing when you confront someone who's engaged in protesters some form obstreperous behavior and you say to them you'd be a lot more effective if you would calm down and what it does right is it redirects the conversation away from the issue that the protester is trying to call attention to and says No the problem is not the aids crisis or the problem is not police brutality Instead the problem is your style of complaint athletes taking let me he did now instead of unpatriotic and disrespectful policing of tone I don't think is just Appius fear Ricks it really is a way of conveying a different understanding of the respect that people are owed it taps into fundamental issues from respectfully taking any to yelling at a diner to cursing out the President I wonder if there is some sort of range and can you distinguish among them are they all the same thing. You know there is no authoritative institution that tells us what civility is that tells us how to update civility when times change that kind of debate surfaces sometimes a deeper criticism that we should be with. Out civility at all like let's just say what we think and the patron saint of this perspective is John Stuart Mill and his powerful essay on liberty said you know we should have a contentious public culture we should have people shouting at each other in restaurants he was deeply suspicious of civility as a tool of oppression accusing people of being rude or uncivil as a way of in those language stigmatizing them as being immoral interestingly mill himself ultimately came down in favor of civility he thought that there should be rules that temperate speech if they could be designed and implemented in a way that would give respect to all merited arguments and I thought he was a realist it does sound pretty soft headed right and so you wonder why would someone like no shift gears like that why would this hard headed proponent of contention and disputation suddenly go wobbly I actually think it grew out of his very commitment to robust uninhibited wide open to debate what civility and really what good manners do or provide you a mechanism for conveying your integrity he thought and he thought rules of temperate speech which were more egalitarian and fair would actually underwrite a free speech society but you've already argued that civility is political and therefore the rules will always be determined by the powerful it's also the case though right that politics is never finished so it's a call to action because the ability is constituted through political conflicts so get out there join the argument mill in general said you can go as far as he wants to long as doesn't hurt another person finish up then with a certain paradox that you alluded to when you said that John Stuart Mill thought that civility was in a sense a reflection of Carol. And then you went and you quoted Francoise Della fuko who said hypocrisy is the modish vice pays to Virtue what he meant is even if you're lying about how you feel you're still behaving in a virtuous way and that's better for society when we're honest with one another we often discover not our true commonalities what we discover is how much we really don't like each other and if we're in that kind of society which is riven with disagreement yet we still need to get along civility enables us to lie in order to get along and what's wrong with that right well. Now you can say well I am I don't want to live in a society where people are really telling me what they really think and I think that that perspective is really held by only people who have never lived with complete honesty which is very unpleasant civility gives us an easily deployable means for conveying basic decency epithelium time you're Ok with the yelling it creates to Nelson in a restaurant right I contain multitudes broke shouting in the restaurant as part and parcel of determining what will count as harbors line of respect we owe one another in public life so that's part of the making of the sausage once the sausage is made in this metaphor is going to break down pretty quickly then he pluck and pose with that sausage you know within an authentic just write it down although I think we should keep this in I think the sausage thing. But the thing is that a lot of people worry about the slippery slope but our rules of discourse seem to have eb didn't flowed forever it's not as if having gone in one direction we can't go backwards we've seen that our manners have become more inclusive and egalitarian over time but having made that progress doesn't mean that we couldn't step backward I don't think we're going to dispense with civility I think we might radically change the way in which we operationalize that over time but I don't think that we will shed the requirement for so I don't think it's something we get over I think rather it's the means through which we realize our ideals of justice and fairness. Thank you very much well thanks for having me on by having is a judiciary studies professor at the Syracuse University School of Law and author of How to deal with. This is on the media. Normal traditional ways of advertising they don't reach the market that I'm looking for and care c.b.c. 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Or c c is supported by Pike's peak summer presenting clinical psychologist Dr Jordan Peterson championing his 12 rules for life 2 were on October 8th tickets for Dr Jordan Peterson's 12 rules for life 2 are on sale now at Pike's Peak Center dot com This is on the media I'm Bob Garfield and I'm Brooke lads down as the argument over civility rages in Washington in the media civil society is quietly thriving in small towns all over America and 2013 James Fallows of The Atlantic and author and linguist Deborah Fallows started what would turn into a 5 year expedition to small towns mostly overlooked taking the measure of lives lived outside the media lens they chronicled lessons learned in their book our towns a 100000 mile journey into the heart of America we have this vehicle literally and figuratively of a propeller airplane that we used for a long time so we thought what would it be like to go out into the middle of the country and not ask people how they felt about Obama Hillary Clinton and the Republicans but how they felt about the life of their talent and I'm supposed to believe. But this was really about using the plane to take a trip and not about creating a trip in order to use the plane Ok we might have different answers. More than 5 years ago I proposed the Atlantic site saying tell us the story of your town we're looking for a place not usually in the media in a place that had some kind of problem factory closing natural disaster or whatever we got about a 1000 replies to that we heard from $49.00 of the 50 states and lots of small places and where we ended up going on average they were poorer then the national average for Stan town we'd go see the usual suspects someone from the newspaper somebody maybe in the economic development territory would talk to a librarian and we'd ask what's the story here who drives this town so after that 1st day I would go to the library in the schools and Jim would go down to Main Street and talk with the city officials and then we'd meet up at the Brew Pub brewpubs they seem to come out of a lot Well yes and just as you have correctly intuited that I was looking for a way to take a long you know airplane trip so to be looking for a way to hang out a brew pub every state now has a thriving craft or brew industry that employs a lot of people and has been a real vector of urban redevelopment because breweries look for a lot of real estate cheap they go to fringe areas of town it's sort of like the art in being a way to rehabilitate part to tell a brewpub is a sign that a town is doing well you offer a number of indications 10 and a half scientific success and 10 of them are serious and the half is the brewpub. City by city we would say most places there's a sense of reinvention and renewal. Agency and we end up with this matrix of things that would make you think this town was moving ahead one sign of civic success is that people living in the town know the civic story what's that mean Columbus Mississippi kids in the high school go to the town cemetery their seminal history happened during the Civil War It was a hospital town they'll choose people in those graves do the research at the county libraries and then create reenactments of stories that would have happened in every day real life there and you can imagine that they're heavy with racial confrontations and they go to the cemetery in full regalia and present them as players and as musicals for the people of the town they do it every year you also talked about the use of language in recasting the narrative was it Eastport Maine where they were under playing the d. Words like decline or depress the d. Words became the re words right the depressing denounced deplore became reinvigorate renovate Renu a few of the influential people in the town just fed up with the negativity about which their town was written when an education campaign to take out those d words and put in those rewards and make people use those words and it's a small enough town that actually seemed to kind of work another element of civic success which I think is really relevant now is the successful town is open communities or aware of this as a way to revive themselves yes so we actually just happened by chance to 3 or 4 towns where there was a significant proportion of Refugee Resettlement Sioux Falls. South Dakota Erie Pennsylvania Burlington Vermont and in Dodge City it was an immigrant population mostly Hispanic Sioux Falls had been receiving refugees mainly started by the Lutheran services and Catholic charities it's often these religious groups that begin taking in refugees to settle there and have been taking wave after wave since the Vietnam War There's something like 16 languages in the public schools of Sioux Falls and here's a language bit that you hear in all of these towns which is we need each other because in Sioux Falls it's the Muslim population who are working in the slaughterhouses in the pig slaughter in The Fighter houses the policeman are culturally trained for each new group of refugees who come in and might bring different problems like when you pull a guy over and he's trying to bribe you out of a ticket you are aware of what happens in his home country and you address that in a cultural way the town has a remarkable flexibility and resilience another one of your tended to have signs of civic success is public private partnerships which reminds me of the hot sidewalks of Holland Michigan. So this is something I went through a real cultural change and I can tell I am different from my friends here in d.c. Because this I think in d.c. All of your b.s. Detectors turn on when you hear the phrase public private partnership is you think just some log roll your lobbying thing but in city after city people good point to a bridge and say this was a public private partnership or a retraining program we saw in Mississippi that was having these people coming in from essentially no previous work to get high wage jobs in a steel factory in Poland Michigan is right on the eastern shore of Lake Michigan it gets like Can feet of snow a year. And a civic father there who actually is a relative of Betty Deval who grew up there was a whole different story but he decided that he would try to save the town by underwriting half of the cost of piping waste heat water from the city's power generating plant downtown in plastic tubes under all the streets and sidewalks of downtown Holland to melt with snow this has been like a generation ago and how it was just revolutionized by being in the snow belt and having no snow over. There so I'd watch it another maybe more traditional example because it was always so in Greenville formally an old textile mill town and now has a lot of big industry like b.m.w. And g.e. And Michelin and you get your law an interesting comparison between Greenville South Carolina and Burlington Vermont from the national media perspective there couldn't be 2 more opposite towns than Greenville and Burlington Greenville South Carolina it's the home of Bob Jones University Trey Gowdy years their congressman Burlington Vermont by contrast Bernie Sanders was the mayor the 2 contending parties of the Democrats and the socialists and so these are really different cities of on the national grid but you would think they were the same the mayor works with the industry the universities the N.G.O.s and in Greenville the traditional example of this public private partnership with these companies they have engaged with the public school system there because the companies wanted to build a prepared and energetic employment base for the future so they went in with the school system and decided to build a brand new school in one of the most distressed parts of town they opened the a.j. Wittenberg Elementary School of Engineering where the entire curriculum is kind of infused with baby engine. Concept and then they graduate to the middle school and insert all these kinds of arts into the stem program to make it a steam program because they want these kids to learn how to argue to debate to right to collaborate to negotiate because you don't just want basic engineers you want these full fledged people and in Burlington there was also an incredible educational effort yes and as would be completely appropriate for Burlington you might guess that it was a charter school of sustainability right in the again the distressed heart of town where there were a lot of refugees they opened up this school with the engagement of just about every organization in town it's the 7th generation products are big sponsors the bike store delivered all kinds of bikes the y.m.c.a. Sent down teachers to teach the kids how to swim in Lake Champlain just a walk from the school but what we found in many of these towns are schools that suit the place that they're in now one thing you didn't do is talk about national politics it is actually the least interesting thing you can talk about with people our natural reflex in the media to say oh this is the most divided time ever for the country etc etc And that is true if you're talking about national politics it is not true if you look at the way that cities decide to tax themselves to pay for schools or the way that they're actually absorbing immigrants so the feel of most of interior America is very different from the tone of cable news Ok so what was the feel say in Wyoming you were there right after the election the majority had voted for Trump so we were in both shying away or me for about a week after the election it was overwhelming landslide for Trump there are 3 who want. So people we talked to were very glad most of them very glad that the trumpet won but simle Taney Asli they were saying well we hope this doesn't screw up NAFTA because of course all of our exports to Mexico depend on that we hope it doesn't screw up the immigration system and you could make fun of that for sort of what were they thinking but also it struck me as just the accelerating disconnection between the almost religious passions that animate national political divisions and the actual stuff of life where the people there are recognized that there are economists depends on international trade their labor force depended on flows of people with different kinds of visas so they didn't want to change any of that but just if you ask them on national politics they hated Hillary and thought Trump would shake things up. Ok You know I here's the thing I read your columns after the election Jim and I didn't hear any more eloquent anguish than what you were expressing do you feel like like you missed something you recall after the election there was this out there riff that only if you had been out there you would understand the fury the bitterness the dystopia the hell scape and we had been out there for the previous couple of years and our observation is that except when it comes to these national passions of how you feel about Hillary Clinton specific Barack Obama the liberals or Donald Trump that if you do not sort of puncture that little sack of by all the rest of the fabric works the way that you would think a society like this basically should work with all of the imperfections and so I don't think we missed the temper of the country I think what was missed is the anomalous way Trump was able to win from James Komi to the exact complection of the Electoral College to a 1000 things had to go in a certain direction for him to end up with a deficit of 3000000 votes but ending up in Troll that of the government I think I wrote me a lot of f. The election that it would this was the worst blow the American idea had received in my lifetime but I testified to you that this is not representative of the fabric of the country in its daily life and I feel like there's a struggle between all the forces of darkness at the national level and all these forces of renewal at the local level so that least shining a light on that is something that we want to try to do. I want to thank you both for these stories. Thank you for giving us the chance to talk about it thank you James and Deborah Fallows one of the authors of our town 100000 mile journey and. That's it for this week's show on the media is produced by a lot of Casanova Burgess just a friend of mine like a low and surely a fetter and John had her hand we had more help from Brown and Arnie and our show was edited. 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