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But, first, we turn to fox news correspondent peter dusy for the latest. Federal officials promised that healthcare. Gov would work smoothly for a vast majority of users starting today. But that has not been the case so far because this morning the critical verification system is unavailable. Thats the system that confirms identities and makes sure people are receiving proper coverage information. And applications cannot be submitted without this important step. The site says this particular problem should be solved within 24 hours. And there is another error much earlier in the process as well, when the site asks if an Insurance Agent or navigator is assisting you with your application. After clicking none of these people are offering any guidance, the next screen incorrectly displays a message declaring the opposite. The banner says, you told us another person is helping you. Furthermore, an address associated with healthcare. Gov has sent several erroneous emails this morning with an alert suggesting that logging in at the website will reveal a new message, however no message ever appeared. Officials have said november 30th was not a magical relaunch date for healthcare. Gov, and that like any site, they predict there will be times moving forward when it does not perform optimally. Despite all of todays problems, white house Officials Say they have now reached their goal and that 50,000 consumer are now able to simultaneously use healthcare. Gov for a total of 800,000 visitors a day. If traffic surges past the sites new capacity, a brandnew feature is designed to cue visitors up and send followup emails with suggestions about better times to visit healthcare. Gov. Chris . Peter doocy with an early status report. Thank you for that. Joining me now, two experts on health care, neera tanden, president of the center for american progress. She was a key member of the Administration Team that wrote and passed obama care. And James Capretta with the ethics and Public Policy center. Well, it only has been hours since the upgrade of healthcare. Gov. From what you can tell so far, jim, start with you, has it been fixed . Well, it is very hard to tell. We wont know for at least a month or so. The real test of healthcare. Gov is whether or not you make the right payment for the right people to the right insurance plan. It is very easy to fix the front end enrollment if you turn off controls on the back end. It is clear from multiple media reports that the system is still not accurate when it makes payments to the insurance plan. In fact, theyre doing a work around. Theyre going to actually make large Lump Sum Payments to the insurance plan, based on selfreporting from the Insurance Companies instead of actual individual subsidy calculations. Theyre working around the whole problem instead of actually solving it. Let me pick up on that with you, neera. What we hear is that while the i. T. Specialists have been scrambling on the front end of healthcare. Gov, the idea that you can sign up for it, there are still problems that the website is sending still sending inaccurate information to the insurers and they still havent even billed the process for payments to the insurer. Thats a big deal, isnt it . Well, actually that process is known as an 834 file. That process is working much better. It is absolutely the case that this is a sentimental aspect of this and a good benchmark of this is when we have medicare prescription bills, the part d program, we actually had hundreds of thousands of seniors being sent to the wrong they got the wrong pharmaceutical information. Thats a big problem. So we want to avoid that problem that already happened in the past. Want to make sure it doesnt happen again. And we are finding that the administration has found over the last week that that has been a much improved process. Obviously the test will be in a month. But i think that the idea of doom and gloom around that is overstated. All right. Lets talk about the question of cancellations, because this is not a website problem. It is a lot of problems that have to be fixed. There has been so much attention to the millions of individual policyholders who have had their policies canceled. Lets put this up on the screen. In the first month, for every one person that got insurance, 50 people lost coverage. But it now turns out millions more will lose employer policies. Back in 2010, the administration projected about 14 Million People who now get Health Insurance through their jobs will lose that by 2019. Other government estimates are even worse. Neera, hasnt the president misled all of us about the possibility that we could lose the plans we have . So, first of all, on these, i havent seen these estimates of 14 Million People from employerbased that was from cms. Cbo has done projections since then, much lower than that. I think we can really find the facts on these numbers. So but first and foremost, i would say, look, the president has apologized for the issues around lost coverage for statements he made. But we should recognize what happened here really, which is that people people have are theyre getting insurance notices that they have lost coverage that there other plans available to them, and 70 of people actually will get subsidies for Health Insurance. Well, we arent seeing in these data is how many people will be better off from the Affordable Care act. Were only focused on the insurance lost plan, but there are better plans for many of these people. I think thats what has gotten really lost. The fact is, we have hundreds of thousands of people and hopefully millions of people who will get Better Health care than they had before. I want to pick up on coverage in a minute. I want to ask jim the same question. Is it or is it not the case that this isnt just a question an issue of problem with people with individual policies, but that a lot of people who get their Health Insurance through their Small Business employer or even big corporations are going to lose that coverage . They will. Especially Small Businesses to pay premiums as a large group now, instead of just for the individual enrollment in their company. If you have a Healthy Company and youre small, your premiums are pretty low today, youre going to get cooled with a larger group in the future and your premiums are going to go up. Moreover, you have to buy more expansive coverage that is compliant with the new law. So lots of Small Businesses signed up for 2014 will get notices in the coming months saying, hey, you cant get your old plan anymore. The same problem that individuals face, these problems are going to wipe all the way out through the Small Business community. I can just make a point about this . James capretta has a Health Care Plan he put out, he asked for tax he said we should convert employers to tax credits. Estimates is that there would be 11 Million People who would Lose Health Care coverage, the coverage they have, and they would be dumped on to different kinds of Health Care Plans. I have to and, you know, john mccain supported 20 Million People lose the coverage they had. Without better alternatives. I think the idea that no, no i dent want to get into the plans that dont expect. I want to get to the plan a little hypocritical to hear complaints about coverage loss from someone who authored a plan were not going to respond about a plan that doesnt exist. Criticizing the president for a plan that would have less we have your point. Shes wrong. My im not. The plan i drafted, which i would love to have congress and other people consider, would not actually affect the vast majority of people in employer based coverage because it wont change the exclusion. Millions of people would lose coverage. Im sorry. I want to talk about obama care. I dont want to talk about capretta care. Lets turn you brought up, it is an important thing, this isnt just an insurance issue, it is the coverage issue, it is the health care youre getting in the end. Jim, is it true that the cut costs that many of these new plans under obama care will sharply limit your access to doctors and hospitals, as much as medicaid does today . Thats correct. Most of the plans, the silver plans and lower cost plans have very Narrow Networks. Some in los angeles dont include the most visited commercially based Hospital Systems used by commercial insurance. So, yes, the answer is this is going to feel a lot more like the Medicaid Program with a Narrow Network of doctors, narrow set of hospitals you can use. If you go outside that system, you pay a lot more. It is a very Narrow Network people are finding. It is goingi÷ to be difficult through the website, the website is not good enough to figure out if your doctor is in the plan, when you can figure it out, a lot of people will find out their doctor is not in their plan. Neera, i want to put up, continuing this conversation, a quote from an editorial over the weekend in the wall street journal. Lets put this up on the screen. They say the awful irony of the new Obama Care Health care system is that all adults now enjoy mandated pediatric vision benefits, even if they dont have kids, but parents cant take their daughter to an expensive Childrens Hospital if she really gets sick. Isnt it if i mamay, let me k the question, to meet all the expanded benefits, a lot of parents are a lot of people are not going to be able to use the hospitals and doctors that they currently have. So, heres the reality of this situation. There are insurers who are offering Narrower Networks, right. Under obama care. Right. So in the exchanges there are people who are offering Narrower Networks under the new law, right. For and you pay less for those plans. You can pay more for a plan that has a larger network. That is that is the issue here. There is choices in the market. People paying more for better benefits. Now, i think a really important point here is that the vast majority of people in the insurance exchanges have never had Health Insurance before. So youre theyre having a new choice here, which expands Health Care Coverage for them. There are some people who had Health Insurance who are going into the exchanges and they face an option here, which is just like conservatives have been telling us for a long time, you should have options, and if you want more expensive care, you should pay for it yourself, that is the situation we get here. I get the point. I dont think there is any question if youre currently uninsured, you can get Health Insurance coverage youre better off. The vast majority of people in the exchanges. The question is whether or not the people who currently have policies are going to get better coverage or not. What about this question as to, you know, neera says, okay, look, there are bronze, gold, silver and platinum. If you get a cheaper plan, you have less choice. People getting their plans canceled in the individual market are finding that the premiums are going up on average. People looked at them very carefully. On average, people in the individual market today, buying insurance, paying premiums, are going to see a 30 to 50 increase in their premiums for worse coverage. Higher deductibles, higher deductibles thats not accurate. And people that are young and healthy are going to see 50 to 100 that brings me to the final point i want to discuss here, and that is this question of whether or not obama care has massive Income Redistribution. Neera, is it not the case that younger, healthier people are going to pay more than they currently do got to let me ask the question. I didnt say anything. I didnt say anything. Young Healthy People are going to pay more than they currently do in order to subsidize the extra benefits for older sicker people . Isnt that Income Redistribution . Let me be Crystal Clear about this. There has been a lot of misinformation here about the broad statements about younger, healthier people. The truth is, the people with Health Insurance today, 85 vast majority of people have employer based coverage, thats staying in place, medicaid, medicare, youre talking about people today who have Health Insurance in the individual market, which is, you know, 5 of the entire system. Thats 15 Million People. And youre saying some people may have to pay a little bit more and the idea of the Affordable Care act is that they have a much Better Health care plan, because the challenge we have in this it sounds like youre saying yes, that they in the whole system no, no. Youre saying young, healthier people are paying more to subsidize older, sicker people. Im not saying that. It depends on their income and a whole variety of issues. The problem is youre talking about issues where it is highly there is a big question about whether younger people should actually have a much better deal in the system because theyre going to get pooled with a lot of other people. Thats why better deal or final word, is it a better deal or not . Much worse deal. People today, if theyre young and healthy can get relatively inexpensive insurance in the open individual market. Youre right about Income Redistribution, though. Think about it, it is 250 billion a year in Medicaid Expansion, in the subsidy structure, thats basically being paid for by people on medicare, through medicare cuts, and a lot of tax increases. If you want to know what the bill is really about, people in their most honest and candid moments will admit it has taken 250 billion a year out of taxes and medicare and moving it into the Medicaid Expansion and the subsidy structure. This other premium subsidies are also occurring between young and the old, but it is a massive, massive Income Redistribution. It is not fair to say that theyre not getting a Better Health care plan. Thats the challenge with the individual markets today, to act like it is a good plan people have good systems. The challenge now is not really insurance for a lot of people. When you get sick, it is not their premium. Thats the concern. I thought we would settle it today, but were not. An interesting discussion. Please come back, both of you and thank you for coming in this thanksgiving holiday weekend. Will the website, what about other problems with the plan . Our sunday panel joins the discussion when we come back. And share your thoughts on the obama carrollout with your friends on facebook. Where Fox News Sunday is on all week. An ad from organizing for act and the Advocacy Group for president obama pitching family talks about obama care this Holiday Season. And it is time now for our sunday group, fox news senior political analyst brit hume, former democratic congresswoman jane harman, syndicated columnist george will, and former democratic senator evan bayh. As of midnight, i was going to say we have a new and improved, but it is an old and improved healthcare. Gov website that the administration is touting made dramatic progress. White house officials emphasize the focus should not be on the deadline, it should be on the continuing process of getting it better and better. Having said that, brit, dont they have a lot riding on how this goes, the next few weeks . Of course. I think the website is a little better. We were on it yesterday, just to see what, you know, might be out there, what might be available. The site works better. You can get through and check plans. Not going to remind you anyti