and we pressed him on some of these questions. you know, in our conversation, which lasted about 15 or 20 minutes, he said that representatives from the state department, including volker and mr. sanlin had suggested that he continue talking to the ukrai ukrainia ukrainians. giuliani would not tell us what was relayed from the state department to him in some of these conference calls. we pressed him again and he said i won't tell you what they said. we asked if secretary of state mike pompeo knew what he was up to in ukraine, to which he says i don't know for sure, but i can only imagine that he did know. >> that's interesting. >> yeah. and he continued to sort of lay out to us that the state department, including volker and sanlund had spoken to him what else could be done in ukraine in the future, whether it was relations with ukraine or work with biden. he would not answer very specific questions about exactly